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Old July 13, 2012, 08:30 PM   #3826
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Welcome to the club, Bob, and to THR.

Others more knowledgeable than me will be along to help you.

For now, I'd suggest two things.

1) try different ammo. My gun smith convinced me it matters.

2) some of us - that's me - shooting this rifle don't need more accuracy than 25 yds. For 50, a bolt action may be a better option.

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Old July 13, 2012, 09:47 PM   #3827
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Bob;

I understand that you've tried several different brands/types of ammo, but, there are literally hundreds of variations available. OTOH, usually if you've tried a coupla dozen something will at least be acceptable. If that's the case, I'd take it to a good smith & have him re-crown the muzzle. Around here that's about $40.00 or so.

I'm not talking taking a 1/4" off the barrel length & a full target crown, just a re-crown. It's something that should be discussed with the smith. And it's a telling point if the guy doesn't want to take a few minutes with you & talk about just how far you want to go, etc.

In any case, by the time you pay the shipping to Marlington & return, and wait for the return, you might find that a good local smith will save you both time & headache, if not money.

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Old July 14, 2012, 05:42 AM   #3828
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What should I expect from the 39a at 50 yards? 100 yards?
I do not normally shoot that far but I want to know the limits.
I would expect with the 24 inch barrel it should be pretty tight.

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Old July 14, 2012, 07:35 PM   #3829
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As above, doing more experimentation with better quality ammo may turn up one that gives better accuracy. Budget ammo often won't shoot well, but .22's are odd in that sometimes a cheaper brand will work better in a specific rifle.

Second, get another shooter to shoot the rifle for you. This will eliiminate any chance it's you.

A good Marlin 39-A should be able to group within 1 1/2" to 2" at 100 yards, and many will do 1" with a good scope and selected, particulary Match grade ammo.
If it just won't shoot, I'd either find a really good rifle expert gunsmith or send it in to Marlin for diagnosis and correction.
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Old July 15, 2012, 12:10 AM   #3830
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Ammo & Crown

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Originally Posted by dfariswheel View Post
As above, doing more experimentation with better quality ammo may turn up one that gives better accuracy. Budget ammo often won't shoot well, but .22's are odd in that sometimes a cheaper brand will work better in a specific rifle.

Second, get another shooter to shoot the rifle for you. This will eliiminate any chance it's you.

A good Marlin 39-A should be able to group within 1 1/2" to 2" at 100 yards, and many will do 1" with a good scope and selected, particulary Match grade ammo.
If it just won't shoot, I'd either find a really good rifle expert gunsmith or send it in to Marlin for diagnosis and correction.
Agree.

I have an older 39A with a cheap crap scope that was on it when I bought it.

I've never touched the scope.

Bottle caps, consistently, at 50 yards.

Ammo can make a real difference. And a bad crown can waste a whole lot of your time and ammo.

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Old July 15, 2012, 12:48 AM   #3831
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Good to see you in the 39 club room, Arf.

Bottle caps at 50 seems a reasonable goal.
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Old July 15, 2012, 06:38 PM   #3832
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How much play should there be in the bolt?
With the lever in firing position I have 0.005" of looseness in the bolt. I can push it forward with my thumb to tighten it up.
Will this cause the pattern variation?
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Old July 15, 2012, 07:01 PM   #3833
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Is that with or without the chamber loaded?

I'm not sure what effect that would have on accuracy. Right now the only standard I have to go on is my 1950 version which has zero movement forward or backward with the chamber empty.

Again, if you can't find ammo that shoots in it, and a second good shooter gets the same results, the rifle should go back to Marlin.
The only reason to have the muzzle re-crowned is if it has a legitimate problem like a dent or irregularity.
Paying money for a re-crown and that doesn't fix the inaccuracy, you've just wasted money and still have to send it in.
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Old July 15, 2012, 08:29 PM   #3834
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This is 0.005" with the chamber loaded.
I have had 2 of my sons shoot with the same result.
I have used a gun vise and gotten the same result.
The crown has a small ding in it. Hard to see with the naked eye but visible with a magnifying glass. Also under the magnifying glass the chamfer is not centered. It is much thicker on one side than the other. With the naked eye it is hardly visible.
I would like to have some idea before I take it in to have work done.
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Old July 16, 2012, 09:02 AM   #3835
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Bob, have you checked to make sure that the barrel does not have excessive leading and just needs a good cleaning? If this is a used gun, it could easily be an issue. Regarding ammo, I have not seen a .22 that wouldn't shoot Federal Gold Medal Target ammo reasonably well.
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Old July 18, 2012, 12:19 AM   #3836
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Hi All!

First, thank you in advance for any help you might be able to provide. I have my grandfather's old 39A and I'm trying to sort out its age from the serial, but I'm not having much luck. It is a 4 digit number with no letter prefix at all, 29XX. The receiver looks like it was once a case-hardened Model 39 receiver, but the barrel is round and distinctly says model 39A. It also has a weaver model 293 scope attached. I can post some photos in the morning once the sun returns.

My father was born in 1948 and always remembers having the gun around. My uncle was born in 1940 and remembers my grandfather always having it as well. I also have his Ithaca shotgun from 1893, and a Winchester model 12 from 1936, so I'm pretty sure it is fairly old. My Dad and his brothers spent their youth shooting the crap out of it, so it isn't in the greatest shape, but I love it and it still shoots straight!!!
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Old July 18, 2012, 12:20 AM   #3837
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Old July 18, 2012, 07:46 PM   #3838
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Marlin serial number histories are sort of snaky. There's an in between period where the old Model 1897 numbers ended and the post-War numbers with letter prefixes start.

I don't know how to find a production date, but you might go the the Rimfirecentral web site and post on the Marlin forum.

Marlin made the 39 and 39-A in color case hardened prior to WWII, and there were round barrel versions.
The early 39-A was made from 1939 to 1945, with the First Model 39-A made in 1939 only and had numbers-only in the serial number.

Due to the narrow time frame of the color cased Model 39-A that narrows it down to the very late 1930's.
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Old July 19, 2012, 12:00 AM   #3839
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Photos

Thanks for the response and information. I appreciate. Here are a few photos of the rifle if they help at all. Thanks again!

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Old July 19, 2012, 02:49 PM   #3840
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Beautiful rifle, Teacher. Thanks for the pics.
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Old July 20, 2012, 07:41 PM   #3841
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Truly beautiful rifle love this page
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Old August 19, 2012, 11:11 PM   #3842
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Old August 20, 2012, 12:36 AM   #3843
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This thing on?

I think we lost reputation
when Rem bought Marlin.

Glad I own a pre-Remlin.
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Old August 20, 2012, 01:01 AM   #3844
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It must have disappeared thought I could give it a little kick
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Old August 20, 2012, 06:37 AM   #3845
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Just picked up my first lever....A Marlin 1897 Texan,and she is a beauty. I will have to get some photos up here when I get a chance.
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Old August 22, 2012, 01:00 AM   #3846
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It's working.....

Hey guys,

First posted about this particular M39 & the NOT FEEDING (ie FTF) type of problem as noted in post #3361 & several others after....last post may have been #3683.

Now finally after lots of tinkering via advice from this board mostly....last wknd I put 300 rds thru this rifle and no glitches........and for 300 times if functioned perfectly....and even hit what I was shooting at....actually in previous days past I did shoot 200 more rounds of mixed ammo.....CCI Blazer bulk pack stuff & some Remington Golden bullets also bulk pack & even some of the Remmy Thunderbolts of which some of those did fail to fire even with a strong firing pin dent. Now there were a couple of small glitches when shooting a few days prior to this test run...a slight hiccup a few times where I had to "thump" the receiver with my palm to get the action to close, but close it did without dismantling action.

So, there are two miracles that happened during this shooting of the M39 with the 300 rds of ammo....the first and greatest was the superb functioning of the action...no FTF issues.......the second was that it was with.....forgive me....Remington Thunderbolts.....and NO misfires from that batch of ammo......the second miracle.
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Old August 22, 2012, 03:35 PM   #3847
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Welcome to the club, Crowcifer. Looking forward to pics of that beauty.

Irish, that's great news! I've been without my 39 for over two years - in storage on the west coast still (very long story there), and was having thoughts of letting it go, because of my own FTF issues I was having and didn't get solved before I moved over here.

But this is encouraging. Hopefully soon, I'll be able to ship it over here. Maybe sometime in fall or early winter.
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Old August 22, 2012, 08:10 PM   #3848
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Nem, You of all people should know the importance of a 39 in what's ahead of us. Git that 39 back to where it belongs - in your hands.

Don't know what you can hunt out that way with your 39 but I'd find out and start practicing. I can think of no other skill that will yield more confidence than actually enjoying sustenance created by one's own abilities.
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Old August 22, 2012, 09:09 PM   #3849
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Here's a picture of Mo looking at me while he was writing that ^ .

Yeah, you're right. Need to get it over here and work on it.
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Old August 22, 2012, 11:33 PM   #3850
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LOL. I wish I looked that good in the mirror. Seems that camera makes me look fifty years younger. May have to update my avatar with that one.

Here you are, the Honcho of the 39 club and you're not fully outfitted even by your own minimum tool kit standards. I got to roast you

Grouse season starts here in less than two weeks. It is legal to hunt them with a rimfire rifle or handgun in this state. On my last scouting trip I was happy to see good numbers again this year.
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