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Old January 5, 2008, 07:28 PM   #301
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That is some very impressive shooting. Iv'e never tried anything out that far. I'll have to give 50 feet some time. Truly excellent performance.

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I finally got to the range yesterday with my little beast again. I think I've found the perfect practice round for my weapon. Very light charge of Win231 with a 158g JSP bullet from Zero Bullets in .357 cases.
I am assuming you loaded that round yourself? Any idea of the speed?

Great pics TSquare. Thanks for sharing.
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Old January 5, 2008, 10:29 PM   #302
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I did load those myself, but I have no chronograph. I would have to guess below 800 fps, though. They are pretty slow, but not so slow as my practice recipe for .45 acp. It's so slow that my son can pull the trigger and I can just about see the bullet all the way to the target if I stand in the next stall.

I shoot so frequently that I really prefer very light loads to keep the punishment down. It's easy to burn up 200-300 rounds in a short while with loads so light, but I do love pulling that trigger!

Just for fun the other day I put a round in the white area around the target at 7 yds and played "hit the original hole". All 5 rounds ended up in a pretty tight circle about 1.5 inches in diameter. I usually play that game with my 6" GP100 and try to make one ragged hole, but the more I work with the snub, the closer the rounds cluster. I have not been able to tighten the circle as much using the 148g BBWC's, but that 158g JSP is amazing with this weapon.

As you know, there has been a lot of discussion lately in the 642 Club about point shooting. I have been trying some of that procedure, but I find it difficult not to look at the sights. There's still a lot of practice I'll have to do to get that procedure correct. When things go south in real life I guess you won't have time to aim, so it seems that's the right way to go.
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Old January 5, 2008, 10:31 PM   #303
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Carry your MP340 in these

I noticed earlier in this thread some had mentioned the Columbia Landers pants. I looked at them and liked the concept but they were made of a rather thin material. I just found and bought these covert Kahki pants They beat the "Landers" by Columbia by a mile. These are well made for long wear using extra heavy weave material in the pants and the pockets. The pockets are "way" generous pockets and the MP just flat out disappears as did a PM40, Colt 1903 pocket pistol and a bunch of other guns.
The inside covert pockets zip shut and are completely out of site the the front pocket opening. There are two mag pockets sewn in the covert pocket as well. These are a great value. I found them for sale for $39.95 at Streichers in Golden Valley MN which apparently has other locations and warehouses in other states. Here is their info and a link to the manufacturer for more info.
Streicher's

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manufacturers link, http://www.511tactical.com/index.asp...3&number=74269
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Old January 6, 2008, 12:31 AM   #304
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Brassman, Have you had any trigger work done to your revolver, or are these range reports with the factory stock trigger?
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Old January 6, 2008, 08:22 AM   #305
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It's the factory trigger. I stage the trigger on every shot except the point shooting. I got into the habit of staging after watching Jerry Miculek on American Shooter several years ago. He said to be as precise as possible with a shot one should use the second pad of your forefinger and use the trigger guard as a guide to squeeze the trigger almost to the break point, then realign the sights and follow through until the trigger breaks. The end of your forefinger actually touches and slides along the edge of the guard. When you get used to a weapon you can squeeze right up to the break point by listening and feeling if the weapon is new. After a few thousand shots the little bumps that you feel along the squeeze go away with wear like on my GP100. It probably has 10,000 live rounds through it and 10,000 dry fires. That's the way I perform every shot except for the point shooting. That trigger pull is just that, a trigger pull and fairly quick. That's why I need a lot of work on point shooting. I'm so accustomed to staging that a real pull feels strange to me.
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Old January 6, 2008, 11:03 AM   #306
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Broken 340

I just bought a new M&P 340 with CT last weekend, took it out of the box at the range put nine rounds through it befor the hammer would not fall on the tenth. Now the firing pin does not come out at all. For a 900.00 dollar weapon bought for personal backup I am not pleased. :fire:
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Old January 6, 2008, 11:22 AM   #307
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Thanks Brassman. Actually, what you describe is exactly what I have been doing in dry fire. I have yet to get it to the range, but I dry fire at least 50 times a day, mainly to get accustomed to the strong pull, I am coming over from Glocks and XD type weapons. I too noticed if I place my finger just right it stops on the guard and I can pull the rest very easily and keep my laser to a minimum as far as movement. I am gaining confidence in this gun daily. I was a little worried at first, giving up round count and switching to a 2" bbl revolver in DAO, but I feel completely comfortable carrying it now, especially since I hardly notice it since its so light.
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Old January 6, 2008, 05:31 PM   #308
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Wow

Wow what a gun,First time shooting my 340 M&P. This is a very accurate little pistol. I feed it 50 rds. of 130 gr. winchester 38 spl. jacketed rounds. Went for 10 rds. of federal 357 130 gr. hydra shocks and it wasn't all that bad just a little bugger on the trigger finger. I think I will opt for a set of bigger grips. Robert
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Old January 6, 2008, 08:56 PM   #309
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Welcome to The High Road and the M&P 340 thread.

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I just bought a new M&P 340 with CT last weekend, took it out of the box at the range put nine rounds through it befor the hammer would not fall on the tenth. Now the firing pin does not come out at all. For a 900.00 dollar weapon bought for personal backup I am not pleased.
I agree with your displeasure and can commiserate entirely. I have a couple new handgun stories that would a new owner up also.

One was a brand new S&W 642-2 that I purchased as a back-up for a brand new bottom feeder that was in the shop..... Unfortunately these things happen....to all manufacturers, including Mercedes and BMW.

Call S&W customer service. They will ask a few questions and issue a roundtrip authorization for repair. If you purchased through a local dealer, they will probably help you out by shipping it out and bringing it back.
You will likely have it back in good working order in under 2 weeks.
Also check with your dealer, they may have their own policy on a new pistol.

Is this your first S&W? If you have not dealt with their customer service before, I think you will find it first rate.
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Old January 6, 2008, 09:57 PM   #310
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Thanks for the lead on the trousers. I am definitely going to look further into these, purchase a pair and give them a try.
The Lander was the only thing I have found so far that fit the bill for pocket carry that didn't look too "tacky" aka taktikal, with that overt para military look that just won't fly in an office environment with the exception perhaps of casual Friday.
I also liked the Lander for its light weight. I spend most of my life in the southeastern US and from June through October it is just plain flat out HOT. Light is good.

Thanks again and maybe you could share your find with the folks on the 642 thread if you don't mind?
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Old January 6, 2008, 10:19 PM   #311
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Yes, I mailed it to the repair smith here in Texas yesterday, so far its been a smooth transaction. No its not the first S&W, I owned the 38 Airweight and upgraded to the 357 for the wife to use. I fell in love with the M&P and had to have it, just worries me with her using it as a concealed carry that it might break again god forbid if she ever had to pull it out.
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Old January 7, 2008, 03:19 PM   #312
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You sent it to an authorized S&W smith in TX?
I thought they all went back to the Mother Ship in MA.

My J Frame 642-2 had to go back after 70 rounds. It has been fine since and I have put a few hundred (lost count) through it since then.
There is no reason it should not be 100% upon its return. Let us know how you make out and how your wife likes it. It is rather strout in the recoil department. A set of CT 305/405s might be in order and some Buffalo Bore Standard pressure 158 gr, SWC (FBI load) non plus P.
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Old January 10, 2008, 06:37 PM   #313
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Yes, I sent it to L.S.G. Manufacturing in Comanche, TX. They were the ones listed by S&W. Just got it back in the mail today, he said he had to replace the hand and trigger.
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Old January 10, 2008, 09:29 PM   #314
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Hope the replacement parts put you back in business and you have many hours and rounds of shooting pleasure.

Don't forget pictures and a range report or two.
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Old January 10, 2008, 11:33 PM   #315
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GDSB 38+P 'replica reloads' / cylinder binding update.

Spent a fair amount of time shooting different guns and ammo today. (As an aside, my Kel-Tec P3AT now functions 100% with a new mag catch and the Kel-Tec finger extension--so it is now an official BUG.) To the topic at hand, however:

As some of you know, both Brassman and I (and others?) have reported cylinder binding when shooting reloads in our 340s. It was enough of a problem to have significantly increasing trigger weight in as little as 50 rounds--and actual tie-up in 60 or 70 rounds. The solution is simple--keep the gun clean, and that means pulling the cylinder to clean the ejector shaft, etc., etc., and lubing sparingly.

Today I ran the latest variant of my 38+P 'replica reloads'--this is the Speer 38+P / AA#5 recipe, tweaked to provide the same subjective recoil with a 140LTC bullet and translated into a 357 Magnum case.

I shot fifty rounds today and found NO particular binding when done, nor some time later when the gun had cooled. This suggests to me that this 'replica reload' recipe variant offers more complete combustion, and possibly fouls the cylinder / crane / rod much less that the standard 38+P AA#5 recipe.

M&P 340 reloading background info: As you may recall, the GDSB 38+P 135-gr load runs about 860-880, maybe 900 from a nominal 2" barrel. Many of us consider it to be an optimum round for the lightweight j-frames. AA#5 powder in the reload recipe is the powder that feels most like the factory load--"full," but not "quick."

This 357 Magnum reloader's translation does about the same--and, more importantly, feels the same as the 38+P factory round. The difference is, of course, is that the factory round typically costs between $100.00 ($20.00 / 20) in the retail box down to about $.52 ($26.00 / 50) in the LE box--and these reloads run about twelve cents each ($6.00 for 50). That figure includes a 1.5-cent per round amortization for the cost of new Starline brass, BTW.

Reloading data is available that ought to take this load (in the 357 case) right on up to the Speer 357 Magnum 135-gr GDSB factory round. Those ballistics are about 970-1000 fps from a 2" barrel. The point is, one can build intermediate loads to acclimate one to the noticably higher recoil of the 357 factory round. Lots of practice at low cost is available.

Speer recipes for the 357 factory load are also available, and ArchAngelCD reports that the recipe most like the 357 factory round is Power Pistol. I would concur--and while I can definitely shoot the 357 factory round repeatably now and reload, it's a stout recoil in a lightweight--I'm not even sure I'd carry it unless I shot a replica load 50 or 100 times a month to stay used to the experience.

So, all you M&P 340 owners, get going on reloading. You can set up a decent inexpensive bench complete from tumbler and cleaning media through to a caliper and cartridge boxes using a Lee Classic Cast Turret package for about $300.00. 1000 bullets, 1000 primers, 200 new Starline Cases, and two pounds of powder will run you about another $125.00--and at the end, you'll still have the 200 cases to reuse, and about 3/4 pound of powder for the next go round.

Figure it is 1000 rounds for $425.00 for the reloads--and you'll be on your way to spending more money to save more....

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Old January 11, 2008, 01:00 AM   #316
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Hey Jim,

I have been building your repli- loads tonight. I hope to give them a try this weekend if the weather holds out. I'll give you a call to see you you are up for a trip to the range.
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Old January 11, 2008, 08:50 AM   #317
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And the really nice thing about a revolver and reloading for it, is that you don't have to chase your brass down. It's still in the weapon when you're done! I hate chasing brass or using an on-weapon brass catcher for bottom feeders. So if you start out with 200 pieces of brass, you'll still have them until they start to deteriorate and you begin throwing them away.
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Old January 11, 2008, 10:10 AM   #318
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I think that new 357 is great to look at. But if those pics are accurate, I would not use it for self defense, as it would appear to be next to impossible to see after the first round of 357, and if you are using +p's in it, why spend all that money? My Taurus titanium is rated for +p's, and it dosen't kick up all that smoke and fire. But that gun is pretty
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Old January 11, 2008, 10:33 AM   #319
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Which pictures are you referring to, gym?

As for spending all that money--well, I am now sold on scandium-alloy lightweights. If S&W made a Sc442--or, I hope, a 6-shot package in 327 Federal, I will be the first in line to get one.

After the first run works the bugs out.

As for the smoke and fire--well that is strictly a function of the ammunition components. The cartridges that do that will do it in your Taurus titanium as well.

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Old January 11, 2008, 12:22 PM   #320
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Thanks for the report and update on the loads. That is encouraging (non fouling) and that is the information that is keeping me going and looking forward to loading. What a price saving.
As I mentioned I bought a LnL Progressive a month or so ago, primarily to get the 2000 free bullets. My son shoots .45 so I let him get those, otherwise they would all be .38. The things we do....
Anyway I won't have a chance to get down to business loading for awhile but I am looking forward to it and will no doubt be in touch for your counsel instead of reading these threads again.
I need to get the Speer book, is there one in particular I should reference?

gym-Do you have a M&P 340?
Which photos? You wouldn't be trolling us would you?

SC/S 386
.357 7 rounds

I like my 340 so well if I were a wealthy man I would run out and get one of these.
Too bad they didn't use the sighting system from the M&P 340 instead of that set-up.

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Old January 11, 2008, 08:30 PM   #321
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I picked up a (340pd) used

I was at the range today, and as I was leaving i looked around the the display cases and saw a 340 pd used for $450.00. I asked the guy behind the counter why so cheap,he said "The guy who brought it today, fired full load .357's thru it and had had enough!" (half a box) he took the loss and and brought a 9mm glock,with the 340 as a trade in. So since i been shooting at this place forever he let me try it out. So with just .38+p's i enjoyed it alot. so out with the cc and home it went. Now I need a new set of grips and a pocket holster,and I'll be in like Flint. right place at the right time. He showed me the paperwork from the guy who had it first just show me that he did just buy it today. great guys at this range.
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Old January 11, 2008, 09:21 PM   #322
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Redman and Welcome

Great find and good catch. The lightest of the light. They do prove to be just too much for many folks. Get a Mika roundcut pocket holster for sure. You might try also a DeSantis Nemesis, I have both and prefer the Mika, it is much faster due to the liberal cut.

You might want to try out some Crimson Trace laser grips too.
I have a couple sets of the smaller ones and in a month or two I am going to try a set of 405s just to satisfy my curiosity.

135 gr Speer Gold Dot Plus P for short barrels is a popular PD round.

See jfh's ammo reports. He has tested most all the worthy rounds deserving consideration.

Post a picture when you have an opportunity.
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Old January 11, 2008, 10:10 PM   #323
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I just today received my Smith & Wesson branded grips. They have versions that duplicate the LG-405 (padded back but not extended) and I think the LG-305 (extended so you have a place for the pinkie - I'm sure it would be comfortable, but harder to conceal).

Here's the link to the 305 equivalents. http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...6305&training=

Here's the link to the 405s (the ones I bought): http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...6305&training=

I think you got a great deal! I got LEO discount and mine was $605!

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Old January 11, 2008, 11:03 PM   #324
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340 Concerns

Bought a 340 TALO version (SS cyl, polished) when they first appeared because I didn't want to be concerned about cyl finish and cleaning, etc. as I am with my 386Ti. It was intended to replace my Kahr PM9, which even after 3 trips to Kahr has an occasional FTF.

The 340 (shoots ok, haven't had any problems in maybe 50-75 rds), but I have seen several posts in forums where the 340 frame or bbl has failed, including one where the bbl actually went downrange!

Also, Gunwriter John Bane posted an incident with his 329 where the lock activated during firing, and I have seen others on the 329 as well, but not on the 340. The lock thing bothers me...

So, my question is whether any of you 340 owners have seen, heard of, or experienced any such failures?

I have 640's, 642's, 60's and have never had any type of malfunction, even with some that have seen many thousands of rounds.

Your thoughts/comments will be most welcome...thanks!
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Old January 12, 2008, 01:12 AM   #325
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Thanks alot DA and Franky! range trip to Ft.Dix scheduled. have to stretch the long guns a little .So i'll take the 340 and run a couple of boxes thru it.
thanks again and keep 'em in the Black!
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