Walther P22 HIGH QUALITY???

[MRSA]

[denfoote]

Bummer!!
Is that a stainless steel or zink alloy slide??
I'd be talking to Walther about that one!!
How many rounds??
Had you noticed any anomalies in the slide before it broke??

[MRSA]

2000 Rounds.
I send email to Walther and the answer was:

"we want to thank you for your inquiry to the company Carl Walther.
> > We have received the picture but we aren't able to recognize what
> > kind of problome exist. The copy of the pricture is evil coginzable.
> > What kind of product is this all about?
> > Please inform us about your problem and send a new picture.
> >
> > Bye
> > Teresa"

-"WHAT??? Are you blind?? The gun is P22 TARGET."

>>ok, i have seen it but what's the real problem?????

[Wedge]

What sort of ammo were you using in those 2000 rounds? When was the gun manufactured?

The P22 is a zinc alloy slide IIRC.

[Sniper X]

Im gonna have to use that Evil Cogniziable thing! Funny euro-english translation!

[trueblue1776]

very strange, what ammo were you shooting?

[DoubleTapDrew]

Teresa needs some more engrish lessons.
That's a really odd break. I've never seen one do that, let alone a .22

[DavidVS]

Any gun can break. To me, this is the main reason a responsibly carried gun should still be considered dangerous. The same applies to even more car.

Walther P22s have broken before. But then, I'm not sure what popular gun hasn't. Quickly moving parts and extremely high pressure chambers require a wonderous amount of quality engineering, and even when this is done well materials may have rare flaws undetectable until they break. Again, cars are the same way.

[denfoote]

Zink alloy slide is your problem!!

2000 rounds + Zink = broken slide!!!!

Especally if you let the barrel heat up quite a bit!!!


http://www.key-to-metals.com/Article21.htm

From 100 °C to 210 °C zinc metal is malleable and can easily be beaten into various shapes. Above 210 °C, the metal becomes brittle and will be pulverized by beating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc

[Chem Geek]

1) That sucks it broke.

2) I hope she didn't actually see the pic, just saying she did. Sounds like the picture didn't come through and that's getting messed up in translation. Are you in the US? Might be time to call Walther and avoid emailing Teresa.

Originally Posted by denfoote

2000 rounds + Zink = broken slide!!!!

It's zinc, not zink. Also it's zinc alloy, which means the wiki quoted stuff isn't applicable to this situation, as that's for pure zinc. I have 4k+ through mine and it's just fine.

[RP86]

You can only use the front sight as a can opener for so long...

[Shipwreck]

Sorry - that sucks.

I love the P99s, but the P22 is not in the same category.

It is also my understanding that both the P22 and the Sig Mosquito are both contracted out - Sig and Walther do not actually make them themselves...

[KevininPa]

That's why I bought the Firestorm FS22 instead of the P22. Aluminum frame and steel slide and utter reliability. About 3000 to 3500 rounds and still going strong.



Kevin in Pa

[SouthpawShootr]

You should contact the Walther America (aka S&W). They speak English. Probably have good eyesight as well. I seen a few threads on slide failures with the P22, although not with a relatively low round count like yours. It seems Walther didn't expect anybody to shoot this gun that much (I think Sig is experiencing the same sort of surprise with their pathetic .22 entry).

[scurtis_34471]

I've put way more than 2000 rounds through mine and its still fine. I've seen a couple pictures of broken P22 slides, but I think they are the exception rather than the norm.

[gudel]

I send email to Walther and the answer was:

"we want to thank you for your inquiry to the company Carl Walther.
> > We have received the picture but we aren't able to recognize what
> > kind of problome exist. The copy of the pricture is evil coginzable.
> > What kind of product is this all about?
> > Please inform us about your problem and send a new picture.
> >
> > Bye
> > Teresa"

-"WHAT??? Are you blind?? The gun is P22 TARGET."

>>ok, i have seen it but what's the real problem?????

I find this hard to believe. Take a screenshot of this email and post it here (not just copy and paste the text).

[PzGren]

Walther is owned by Umarex. Umarex is known in Germany for their zinc alloy gas pistols.

That's why I have a Walther PP ZM in .22 l.r.

[CannonFodder]

My P22 has.... a lot more than 2000 rounds through it.

In fact... I think I've lost count!

So far, the only problem I've encountered was a safety-walking problem that went away when I tightened the nut.

Pretty decent gun for me.

[PzGren]

Quote:
I send email to Walther and the answer was:

"we want to thank you for your inquiry to the company Carl Walther.
> > We have received the picture but we aren't able to recognize what
> > kind of problome exist. The copy of the pricture is evil coginzable.
> > What kind of product is this all about?
> > Please inform us about your problem and send a new picture.
> >
> > Bye
> > Teresa"

-"WHAT??? Are you blind?? The gun is P22 TARGET."

>>ok, i have seen it but what's the real problem?????

I find this hard to believe. Take a screenshot of this email and post it here (not just copy and paste the text).
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I agree. Where exactly was the email sent? I would print it out and mail it attached to a cover letter to the customer service manager and a copy to the president of the company.

[kingpin008]

+1 on that being a bogus email. What product is this about? Please send us a picture and inform us of your problem?

That doesn't work. If they didn't notice the first pic, why would they ask you for another one and not just "please send us a picture"? And assuming you alluded to it being a P22 in your original mail, why would they ask what product is this about?

And I've never recieved a reply to a customer service email from ANY company where the rep signs it "BYE". That seems a little..I dunno, too familiar a closing for a customer service letter.

Also, the excessive punctuation in this supposed reply from Teresa

>>ok, i have seen it but what's the real problem?????

Looks a heck of a lot like the excessive punctuation in your supposed reply to her first letter back to you -

-"WHAT??? Are you blind?? The gun is P22 TARGET."

Now, I know that a lot of customer service jobs are being outsourced these days, but something tells me that these are bunk.

[atblis]

That's a really odd break.

Not for a P22. They are junk. Sorry you found out the hard way. My friend nearly lost an eye to a similar failure.

Hmmm

Walther is owned by Umarex. Umarex is known in Germany for their zinc alloy gas pistols.

Doesn't the P22 use a rifling insert?

Zinc alloy. I think that means the main constituent metal is zinc. Sorry guys, there are no good zinc alloys. That automatically makes it crap when used for slides.

[PzGren]

It is a zinc alloy. Investment cast from what I remember, it's a small legal detail in Germany in order to manufacture gas pistols. Zinc alloy is used because it is cheap and when a barrel is drilled to convert it to a firearm, the zinc alloy will melt.

Umarex is the successor to Roehm. They use Walther's good name to push some junk on the innocent public.

[fletcher]

Accidentally clicked, saw cracked metal, and now I'm interested

While we're not likely to find out what Zinc alloy it actually is, I'll just say I'm initially surprised they would use one, since it usually seems to be reserved for die casts.

After cracking open the metals handbook, it seems that while the strength is relatively low, a good zinc alloy can have impact strength (toughness - hard to break) greater than many cast irons/steels, and is easily machinable.

So, looks like a lightweight cost-saver to me.



Regarding:

From 100 °C to 210 °C zinc metal is malleable and can easily be beaten into various shapes. Above 210 °C, the metal becomes brittle and will be pulverized by beating.

While this is true for pure zinc, alloying can drastically change properties, so I wouldn't write this off as a contributing factor / reason just yet.


Here are a couple good diagrams for comparing the strength and toughness of zinc to other metals:

[browningguy]

Ok, she needs some English help, but come on. I have a Walther P22 and unless someone told me what it was I would have no clue that first pic was a broken P22 slide.

[PzGren]

I send email to Walther and the answer was:...

Ok, she needs some English help, but come on. I have a Walther P22 and unless someone told me what it was I would have no clue that first pic was a broken P22 slide.

I think the original poster needs some English help, too. He has two posts and why would somebody in the US contact Walther Germany for a warranty issue? No location disclosed.

There is something not adding up here.