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Old January 8, 2015, 09:30 PM   #1
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famous developers of firearms and ammunition

Keith, Taylor, Wesson, McGivern: all of these are names from the past of whom most of us have heard.

Who should we be reading, training with, or youtubing in modern times? Who is impacting firearms, load development, bullet design, and tactics now? I have a few ideas but wanted to see what everyone thought.

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Old January 9, 2015, 08:01 AM   #2
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Kelgren comes to mind.
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Old January 9, 2015, 12:55 PM   #3
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Old January 9, 2015, 12:59 PM   #4
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Ed Masaki on 1911's

Stan Chen on ammunition, both match and defensive loads
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Old January 9, 2015, 01:00 PM   #5
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Old January 9, 2015, 01:27 PM   #6
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Arne Boberg......has mastered the most innovative firearm action since the gas operated rotating bolt design. Click below to see:

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Old January 9, 2015, 07:40 PM   #7
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Thanks for the replies! Definitely some new ones there I have not heard of. For my list I put John Linebaugh (ammo and revolver development), Patrick Sweeney (good gun author, many books), Gary Miculek (the man knows revolvers and revolver shooting, as well as general shooting) and Alan Gura for legal and historical research.
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Old January 9, 2015, 07:45 PM   #8
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... Gary Miculek (the man knows revolvers and revolver shooting, as well as general shooting)...
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Old January 9, 2015, 10:01 PM   #9
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Hornady Ammo and Weatherby Rifles come to mind.
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Old January 9, 2015, 10:17 PM   #10
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John Browning WAS firearms technology personified, but that was in a different time. Now you have guys like George Kelgren dreaming up crazy guns, and guys like Ken waters and JD Jones making odd rounds. Gun tech is kinda stale though, military weaponry typically drives innovation but in most of the world civilians can't have those weapons, and in the rest of the world they can't afford them. The most modern, highest tech stuff around is probably bull pup guns like the keltec RFB and KSG or the ultra-compact rifles like the sub2000. The biggest sellers are AR rifles (1960s tech) and plastic pistols (1980s tech) with pump shotguns following that (1890s tech) and 1911 style pistols (1910 tech). Why would people innovate in something that military will procure with small profit margins and the same not be civilian marketable (glock full auto, full auto bullpup rifles) and current tech is so cheap in a flooded market? I wish at times the days of John brown were not over, and that I could experience it first hand.
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Old January 12, 2015, 03:18 PM   #11
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Old January 14, 2015, 02:37 AM   #12
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Gaston Glock has had a greater impact on the civilian firearms market than ANYONE since Browning. The difference is, Glock's influence is much more narrow, and pretty much confined to one type of gun/action. Browning designed every type of weapon, from pocket pistols to heavy machine guns. I doubt we'll ever see another Browning. The firearms market and technology have changed too much (see Gaston Glock, above!) for one person to be so prolific across the board.
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Old January 14, 2015, 02:48 AM   #13
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Gun tech is kinda stale though, military weaponry typically drives innovation but in most of the world civilians can't have those weapons, and in the rest of the world they can't afford them. The most modern, highest tech stuff around is probably bull pup guns like the keltec RFB and KSG or the ultra-compact rifles like the sub2000. The biggest sellers are AR rifles (1960s tech) and plastic pistols (1980s tech) with pump shotguns following that (1890s tech) and 1911 style pistols (1910 tech). Why would people innovate in something that military will procure with small profit margins and the same not be civilian marketable (glock full auto, full auto bullpup rifles) and current tech is so cheap in a flooded market?
I'm with you on this point, but it doesn't mean we'll never have innovation again. From the time the flintlock was invented in the late 1600s to around 1850, guns were all pretty much the same. Then, BOOM: 40 years after that you had machine guns firing cartridge ammunition. It might take a long time, but change can happen fast when it does.
I personally believe that scarcity and expense of ammunition components will someday make caseless ammunition a practical reality. Brass will never get cheaper, and no one likes aluminum. Imagine caseless propellant pieces you can put together like Legos, to make them more or less powerful. Another possibility is a weapon that uses a squirt of liquid fuel ignited by a spark to propel a bullet, like a piston in an engine block. But the brass-cased, self-contained ammo we have now will have to stop being so practical and cheap before we have something else.
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Old January 14, 2015, 06:15 PM   #14
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the man or men who decided to stop making straight rifiling for fouling control, and put a TWIST into it. Thems the genius.
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Old January 14, 2015, 06:26 PM   #15
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For tactics, Clint Smith jumps out in my mind. For knowledge based on actual experience, Mike Venturino, Charlie Petty, Mas Ayoob and most of the rest of the staff at Handgunner magazine rank right up there with Clint.

I will not mention names, but there are a lot of writers out there that make me wonder if they have ever even HANDLED some of the guns they write about. One wrote up the 1897 Winchester trench gun in one of the recent Surplus Guns mags. He said, along with a picture, that the bolt/action release button was on the lower left side of the receiver. It's on the right side of the receiver, Leroy. Oops, sorry about that. He also stated that you could release the bolt by pushing FORWARD on the slide handle. Not on my 1897 you can't.

In a current issue of the same magazine a number of subguns are discussed. Each is listed with it's magazine capacity " plus 1." Of course they all fire from the open bolt. Someone want to tell me how that "plus one" thing works?

Then there are the ones who simply parrot what they have always read, simply because they have....well...always read it! They have been reading it forever so it must be true...right?

Case in point; 7.62X25 Tokarev ammo is loaded hotter (and by that I mean more pressure) than 7.63 ammo. No it isn't. For starters look in any old Cartridges of the World book. The Mauser is listed at 1410FPS and the Tok round at 1390. Same bullet weight. The Mauser hat a one inch longer barrel. Sounds like the same load to me. When the Soviets copied the round they copied it exactly. With modern powders the velocities of both can be significantly increased, Winchester white box 7.62X25 achieves 1645 FPS, but it is loaded to no higher pressures than it was in the old days.

The myth probably started when the 7.62X25 suddenly became very popular a few years back, somebody noticed the above increase in velocity and just assumed it was loaded hotter. All I know is that I have a shooter grade Broomhandle with Wolff springs in it that Just passed 4000 rounds of surplus and newer Tokarev ammo and it shows absolutely no signs of distress

Before you believe any gun writer's prose, do a little checking into his credentials.
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Old January 16, 2015, 01:09 AM   #16
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Old January 16, 2015, 09:02 AM   #17
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Old January 16, 2015, 09:43 AM   #18
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OP specified "modern times."

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Elmer Kieth 357 ,AND 44 MAGNUM
And he even listed Elmer Keith as an example of the older generation.
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Old January 16, 2015, 02:30 PM   #19
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Old January 16, 2015, 02:35 PM   #20
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Old January 16, 2015, 03:10 PM   #21
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Old January 16, 2015, 03:15 PM   #22
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Old January 16, 2015, 03:30 PM   #23
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Gaston Glock has had a greater impact on the civilian firearms market than ANYONE since Browning.
Gaston Glock has always been a great marketer and an extremely tough businessman. He didn't invent anything, only combined a number of earlier, lesser-known designs in a then-new polymer frame and had the mechanism perfected for reliability. Developer... maybe, in a loose sense of the word.
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