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View Poll Results: Is it ok to take ak47 and m16 unloaded to child birthday party?mm16
ak47 3 60.00%
m16 2 40.00%
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Old Yesterday, 01:53 PM   #1
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Ak-47. M-16

Do you consider for a man who says he buried 6 bodies a day at Arlington to bring Ak 47 and M16 to childs birthday party. Children between ages 3 to 10. He claims for photos only. Weapons unloaded.

Is this acceptable? Is this totally the way young soldiers act these days?

Isnt Ak47 and m16 for killing enemy not a hunting gun.
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Old Yesterday, 01:58 PM   #2
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Moderators told you to get your thoughts together, repost something coherent. This OP is even more disjointed than the last. I took the time to answer thoughtfully before, but it is pretty clear with this:

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Isnt Ak47 and m16 for killing enemy not a hunting gun
That you are trolling, and probably anti-gun.

If not, you had better post an articulate, thoughtful, cohesive reply.
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Old Yesterday, 02:04 PM   #3
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Do you consider for a man who says he buried 6 bodies a day at Arlington to bring Ak 47 and M16 to childs birthday party. Children between ages 3 to 10. He claims for photos only. Weapons unloaded.
If he wasn't asked to supply weapons for photographs, then that seems odd. Not necessarily dangerous if they were handled appropriately, but certainly unexpected.

(And just for clarity's sake, it is VERY unlikely he brought a real AK-47 and a real M-16. Actual examples of either are extremely expensive (like around $20,000 each) and are heavily regulated, as they are "Machine Guns" under federal law. Millions of Americans own semi-auto AR-15s and semi-auto AK-47 clones which look and function just like their military cousins, but don't have the capacity for fully automatic fire.)

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Is this acceptable? Is this totally the way young soldiers act these days?
Young soldiers? Soldiers are just people like anyone else. They might act in any number of ways. Was the man disrespectful? What were the circumstances by which he came to bring his weapons to the event? Did someone ask him to do this or did he just show up with a pair of firearms?

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Isnt Ak47 and m16 for killing enemy not a hunting gun.
Hunting gun? Guns can be used for all sorts of things. Plenty of ARs and AK semi-auto clones are used for hunting all the time, but that doesn't matter really. The 2nd Amendment recognizes the right of the citizens to own fighting firearms, not hunting guns.

It really doesn't change the appropriateness or inappropriateness of bringing firearms to an event like this. Whether it was an M-16 or a Remington 700 hunting rifle, it would be a strange thing to do if he wasn't asked to.

Not criminal, and not necessarily dangerous (depending on how he handled them), but unexpected.
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Old Yesterday, 02:05 PM   #4
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"Isnt Ak47 and m16 for killing enemy not a hunting gun."

Double negative but they are hunting guns indeed, for the most dangerous game. Deer easy then for them, nicht var?
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Old Yesterday, 02:13 PM   #5
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Is this acceptable? Is this totally the way young soldiers act these days?
Further, I'll ask what are you looking for from us here at THR?

It really doesn't matter whether any of us would ask for someone to do this for our kids, or would appreciate it if someone did. "Acceptable" is up to the party host primarily, and to the attending parents secondarily.

If it was not acceptable, someone should have asked him to put his guns away.
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Old Yesterday, 02:14 PM   #6
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Sorry....they are real. He has the money.
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Old Yesterday, 02:19 PM   #7
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Sorry....they are real. He has the money.
Do you really expect us to believe that an enlisted man brought out $40,000 worth of restricted hardware to let little kids play with just so he could take pictures?

Far fetched is putting it mildly.

And I'm still waiting for that eloquent reply that convinces me/us you are not a trolling anti gunner.............
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Old Yesterday, 02:19 PM   #8
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Sorry....they are real. He has the money.
Well, that's cool then. Possibly a pretty neat experience for the kids (and parents!) to get to see the real deal.

IF this was something he was invited to do. If he just showed up with them or brought them out randomly, then he might have been innocently over-exuberant.

I've still not heard that he caused or risked any harm to anyone. Folks do things that are socially tone-deaf all the time without actually breaking the law or endangering anyone.

There's no reason, on the face of it, to be concerned only because firearms were shown to children.
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Old Yesterday, 02:31 PM   #9
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Tell me, how do you know it was a real AK47 and a real M16?
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Old Yesterday, 03:00 PM   #10
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Ok, I went back and read your other thread. That explains more of the story.

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The friend is out of army now. He is a big time drinker and also does other recreational drugs.
If he's a drug user then he's federally prohibited from even touching firearms. Of course, he'd have to be charged and convicted of a crime for that to take effect.

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He cusses like a pirate.....every other word is f!!!.
So he's a jerk. That happens. Takes all kinds to make a world, you know? If he can't control his behavior in front of kids, then he should be told by the host to leave. Not a gun issue.

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For the birthday party he brought out an AK-47 and M-16. Unloaded but let the kids pretend shooting. He said he did it just for photo shots. When I saw my 4 yr. old grandson behind the AK-47 (REAL. NOT PLAY) my heart skipped a million beats.
Ok, that's really not a serious problem with him. IF the host asked him to do this, or allowed/encouraged it, this is just harmless fun for the kids. As long as he practiced good safety protocols (including the fact that the guns were really unloaded) he didn't harm anyone. You being fearful or outraged or whatever to see your grandson near a firearm is really more of a "you" problem than a problem with the situation.

I've got an adorable picture of one of my boys in a diaper, at about one year old, holding tight to the handles of my chainsaw and pretending to run it with a huge grin on his face. Same thing, exactly.

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I am thinking he did not do what he said he did in army.
Not anything we could have advice or opinions about. Doesn't matter at all for the purposes of this discussion.

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As children of WW II and Korean War, I never remember my dad and his buddies bringing out artillery when we had family parties.
I'm sorry. That sort of sharing can be a really valuable way of passing on oral history and helping the younger generation understand the sacrifices and honor of their Dads, Uncles, and Grand-dads. Depending on the context, it could be a fantastic thing. If your dad and his buddies couldn't, or wouldn't, share that with you (as many vets were psychologically incapable of doing) that's a big loss for you.

Or, it could be inappropriate. Depends on the situation.

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Have times changed so much that now we bring out real artillery at children's birthday parties?
More that times have changed so much that a lot of society freaks out if they see a firearm not in the holster of a police officer, or slung over a hunter's back.

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If this guy did bury 6 soldiers a day doesnt he have some kind of code of ethics to go by even when he gets out of the army?
Why would "ethics" have anything to do with show-and-tell at a kid's birthday party? There's nothing unethical about giving some kids a bit of hands-on time with firearms and/or talking to them about guns, wars, history, and service.

There could be something very tone-deaf or even rude about how that happens and startling parents with an unexpected private gun show would be inconsiderate.

But it all depends on who invited him, what was expected, and how safe a situation he maintained.
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Old Yesterday, 03:14 PM   #11
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OP is either an anti-gun troll or clueless beyond saving. What does hunting have anything to do with the birthday party? Was it a group children's hunt and you disagreed with his choice of firearms? Or are you under the belief that this board is composed of hunters only and same hunters are opposed to any rifles that do not serve the singular purpose of hunting (I can't even think of such a firearm)?
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Old Yesterday, 03:18 PM   #12
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Sorry....they are real. He has the money.
Which one is the real one? Believe it or not, these rifles are different.

One is a military grade firearm with a selectable firing rate. The firer can choose to fire 1 or multiple rounds per trigger squeeze. Only the armed forces, or individuals who pay an ATF tax stamp after being checked out can own of this type.

The other is strictly semi-automatic firing only. No matter how you squeeze the trigger, all you'll ever get is one round per trigger squeeze…just like every other hunting rifle out there. Everyone who is legal can own one.

The same applies to real AK47s and civilian grade "AK47s".

Don't believe everything the news, or those who are boastful, tell you. Also, when unloaded, the only damage they can do is if used as a club.
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Old Yesterday, 03:19 PM   #13
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I still have no idea what the OP is saying.
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Old Yesterday, 03:23 PM   #14
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What is up with the poll, again?

I believe most people here found it unacceptable to expose children to weapons without asking the guardians permission first. What are you looking for?

Was it acceptable to you?
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Old Yesterday, 04:28 PM   #15
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OP is either an anti-gun troll or clueless beyond saving.
Pretty much. Read both threads and it is time to provide a dose of:



Sorry the story, while possible, is suspect. The poll makes zero sense in its context anyway.
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Old Yesterday, 04:28 PM   #16
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I've had to read this, and the original thread, two or three times each, to make any sense of it. The OP seems to question whether, because this happened, the person in question really DID serve. She also seems to believe that a person who allegedly was a member of the Arlington Honor Guard, should know better.

My response to the OP is this: There is no "code" of behavior that anyone has to adhere to when they're out of the service. People in the military are just that...people. The military can be a good job, but that's what it is. It's a job, and they get paid for it. Unfortunately, there are some bad apples.
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Old Yesterday, 04:31 PM   #17
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For the record, I voted "AK-47" in your poll.
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Old Yesterday, 05:07 PM   #18
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I voted ak47 but have no idea why. I need a refund for 3 minutes of my life
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Old Yesterday, 05:55 PM   #19
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Ok...This has gone nowhere, just like the last one. Madonnakenp, if you do return and want to discuss any of this, please send me a Private Message and let's talk about what you're looking to get out of your thread. I don't want you to be ridiculed merely because you're not familiar with guns or gun forum culture, but you're touching on some nerves here with your line of questioning. Let's talk.

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