The CZ Club - Page 67

ZeSpectre · August 10, 2011, 04:29 PM

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Isnt the 75 a HP clone?

No. A close relative but they are not the same firearm.

meanmrmustard · August 10, 2011, 05:00 PM

I meant in looks, not internals. They look pretty darn similar anyway you slice it.

Thompsoncustom · August 10, 2011, 05:59 PM

Here a picture of my EDC! I also would like to get into idpa with it if I ever find the time.

Mods done to the pistol so far:
Comp trigger
Trigger jobs (polishing and 12lb main)
Extended Firing pin
Extra power extractor spring
Polished Chamber
Reduced Firing pin spring
Reduced Firing pin block spring
Extra power mag springs
Wood thin grips and grip tape
Glow inc V10 on the sights
Thats all I can think of right now. Special thanks to CGW [cajun gun works] for a lot of the parts.

Thompsoncustom · August 12, 2011, 10:59 AM

Anyone know if anyone in the US makes Wood CZ thin grips. Not that there anything wrong with the ones I have but they take a month to get it and are not the best quality.

Might be something I could do if anyone was interested.

larryh1108 · August 12, 2011, 11:22 AM

http://czcustom.com/CZ-75-85-TS-Grip...ic-Rubber.aspx

As good as it gets. I've bought and loved their grips and products. Fast shipping too, you usually have them in a week or so. Check them out.

These are thin grips from there. I love them.

Thompsoncustom · August 12, 2011, 12:33 PM

I guess I should have been a little more specific, I meet the Thin style like shown about CZ custom makes them in alum but I have only been able to find them in wood overseas. Also the thin grips from CZ custom in alum are to price IMO.

FourTeeFive · August 12, 2011, 01:44 PM

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Anyone know if anyone in the US makes Wood CZ thin grips. Not that there anything wrong with the ones I have but they take a month to get it and are not the best quality.

Not wood ones. I get them from Europe.

And then VZ Grips makes think G10 grips for the CZ.

Thompsoncustom · August 12, 2011, 02:42 PM

designer grips also makes epoxy based cz grips, just checked out his website any tho and not as many choices as there was.

Lubricant · August 12, 2011, 05:26 PM

If you read the owners manual carefully, they suggest that if you should break the capsule of the tritium sights,and possibly get a whiff of the gas,You should drink lots of beer.My kind of company.

1SOW · August 13, 2011, 05:02 PM

Just a heads up.

On the second Stage in a Steel Match today, my 75B slide stop broke near the right end. This is the second slide stop to break. The original one broke about a 1 1/2 years ago--I believe.

I was lucky to be shooting with a guy using a SPO1. He loaned me his slide stop for the next three stages---we swapped it back and forth.

I recommend having spares if you shoot regularly.

My pistol is on Slide stop #3, trigger spring #2, extractor #2 with twice/week shooting over two hundred rds/week avg.

I have the part on order, and still really like the pistol.

Walt Sherrill · August 13, 2011, 07:11 PM

Just curious. What weight recoil spring are you running? Stock, or something lighter or heavier?

I've got a spare slide stop, but have never had to use it. (I shoot my 85 Combat most of all, and don't have a spare for THAT gun. Need one, as it is different than the standard slide stop.)

CZguy · August 13, 2011, 09:19 PM

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Just curious. What weight recoil spring are you running? Stock, or something lighter or heavier?

You beat me to it Walt. I was wondering the same thing.

I shoot my PO-1 a lot and I've never had one break.

1SOW · August 13, 2011, 09:54 PM

Mr. Sherrill & CZguy, I shoot 125gr JHPs at 1050'/min +/- (132pf).
I'm running an 11lb recoil spring and my ejections aren't thrown over 7-8' max.
I've thought of what you were thinking, but I don't think that's the issue..

I'm pretty sure I'm around 40K rds--I stopped keeping track some time ago. The last 25K(?) have been my reloads.

Walt, your Combat uses a different slide stop.

armoredman · August 13, 2011, 10:04 PM

Hmm, not arguing in any way, but I've never had a slide stop break either in any of my CZs, but I do have a spare for the P-01.
Sorry to hear about that.

1SOW · August 13, 2011, 10:20 PM

armoredman, thanks.

I'm not upset over it, just slightly inconvenienced by the timing.
My 75B really shoots well and I'm "comfortable" with it. I think the trigger work would make you smile--it does me

I would gladly pay more for a less brittle slide stop if it were available---maybe stainless(?). Both slide stops have broken near the same place--about 1/8" "inside" of the spring slot. The first one had a 'slanted' break (I tried to weld it and it only lasted two shoots). This one broke almost straight across the shaft.

A heavier spring might lessen the impact, but my ejections were landing in my shirt pocket or on my right foot with the 14# spring with a coil or two cut off.

Walt Sherrill · August 14, 2011, 06:41 AM

RE: 85 Combat slide stops.

Yes, for those who are unfamiliar with the 85C, they are different--because they are for an ambidextrous model. The far end of the stop has a smaller, slotted end to fit into the lever on the other side of the frame.

Slide stop breaks are very rare in CZs, but they do happen. When they happen regularly, it seems to be a function of slightly out-of-spec openings in the frame. Yours is hardly happening regularly.

(Some Witness and Tanfoglio guns used in IPSC, back when they were the "hot" gun there, were known to have slide stop breaks at 20K - 25K rounds; that's not exactly the same slide stop, but it is similar -- and some are interchangeable with CZs. I've never heard of a source for different slide stops, and I'm not sure brittleness is the issue.)

Playing at the range one day, years back, swapping slides between guns, I mistakenly -- didn't realize I was doing it -- installed my 85 Combat slide stop [which is the same as the 85B slide stop] in my [non-ambi] Compact, and it broke after about three or four rounds fired. Duh. The far end wasn't properly supported, and allowed the stop to set at a slight angle, so that the barrel wasn't engaging it flushly. That had the effect of transferring the force of the recoil or return into a smaller area on the slide stop. I've seen two breaks: the 85 C break was near the far end, and I've seen another standard 75B slide stop break -- not mine -- nealy in the middle.

Mike Eagleshield, head gunsmith at CZ, recommends a heavier recoil spring to minimize breakage, but I've always felt the cure was as bad as the disease -- as a heavier recoil spring causes the slide to slam forward with much greater speed on the return, and the slide stop takes almost the full brunt of that force. He may be right -- or it may be that we need to just change them out, as we would springs, at some point.

You might ask this question of Angus Hobdell on the new CZ Forum; he is a wizard with all things CZ, a talented gunsmith, and shoots the gun for the CZ pistol team, too. He might know a solution. If I remember correctly, he routinely replaces the slide stops at a lower count. He may have better ideas. You can ask him ON/THRU that forum.

I wonder if a slightly heavier spring might work? The Browning Hi-Power variable rate spring from Wolff Springs comes in a 14 lb weight, and is a perfect fit for the CZ. (The Wolff springs for the CZ are really Tanfoglio/Witness springs, with a larger diameter that doesn't properly fit the CZ guide rod; the BHP springs do fit. I don't think the diameter issue has anything to do with function -- just looks.)

In the final analysis, as you seem to suggest, fixing your problem might be a case of fixing something that's not really "broke" in the first place, as that is a relatively high round count. The fact that the ejected cases aren't flying that far, and heavier springs don't send them far enough may simply mean you're stuck between a rock and hard place. Particularly if you're happy with your loads.

Ruddie · August 14, 2011, 08:45 AM

Well, I don't know if it counts but I'm right in the middle of building a CZ-24 30.06 conversion and if a check I'm waiting on would arrive will own 2 CZ-82 pistols... Well, one mine and one the wardens.

Ruddie · August 14, 2011, 08:56 AM

Need opinions. I bought this VZ-24 receiver, bolt, and barrel assembled for $25. I have already purchased an ATI stock for it so that's out of the way.
I also need a trigger guard assembly and action screws. I found some locally but the guy wants $55 for the set. I don't really know if that's a good price or if I can do better elsewhere.
Also come to find out the barrel needs to be cut and recrowned. I've been debating going back with an 8mm setup or recrowning the 30.06 barrel.
My argument is I like shooting all of my guns a lot so I would lean towards the 8mm for the surplus ammo but don't know price wise if replacing the barrel with another would out weigh just having it recrowned.
I am also making this a hunting rifle. I'm not concerned with dropping a white tail at 200 yards with either caliber....

CZguy · August 14, 2011, 01:37 PM

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Where can I get mags at a good price?

You can't buy them cheaply anywhere. There is usually a thread over at Rimfire central giving the best prices currently.

FourTeeFive · August 14, 2011, 01:43 PM

Midway usually has decent prices on the CZ .22 rifle magazines.

FourTeeFive · August 15, 2011, 01:02 AM

Looks like the 452 and 453 magazines are the same:

http://shop.cz-usa.com/P-12001/Mag-C...-Rd-Steel.aspx

You can save a few bucks here:

http://www.killoughshootingsports.co...m2-poly-1.html

gator-1 · August 15, 2011, 01:32 AM

count me in. My first auto is a cz pcr. soots much better than i do, but that rattle snake in my drive way is just as dead.

FourTeeFive · August 15, 2011, 11:31 AM

The 10-round metal magazines seem to be almost impossible to get.

dondavis3 · August 15, 2011, 01:44 PM

@ Walt Sherrill

I've got a 85 Combat too and really like it.

Great shooting gun.

Never any problems

But it's round count isn't as high as some of the others here.

CZguy · August 15, 2011, 03:27 PM

^ Great gun, and particularly good photography.

August 10, 2011, 05:00 PM	#1652
meanmrmustard Member Join Date: June 14, 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 3,746	I meant in looks, not internals. They look pretty darn similar anyway you slice it. __________________ Why, oh why, didn't I take the blue pill...

August 10, 2011, 05:59 PM	#1653
Thompsoncustom Member Join Date: December 21, 2010 Posts: 506	Here a picture of my EDC! I also would like to get into idpa with it if I ever find the time. Mods done to the pistol so far: Comp trigger Trigger jobs (polishing and 12lb main) Extended Firing pin Extra power extractor spring Polished Chamber Reduced Firing pin spring Reduced Firing pin block spring Extra power mag springs Wood thin grips and grip tape Glow inc V10 on the sights Thats all I can think of right now. Special thanks to CGW [cajun gun works] for a lot of the parts. Last edited by Thompsoncustom; August 12, 2011 at 10:57 AM.

August 12, 2011, 10:59 AM	#1654
Thompsoncustom Member Join Date: December 21, 2010 Posts: 506	Anyone know if anyone in the US makes Wood CZ thin grips. Not that there anything wrong with the ones I have but they take a month to get it and are not the best quality. Might be something I could do if anyone was interested. Last edited by Thompsoncustom; August 12, 2011 at 11:06 AM.

August 12, 2011, 11:22 AM	#1655
larryh1108 Member Join Date: August 29, 2008 Location: Litchfield County, CT Posts: 1,227	http://czcustom.com/CZ-75-85-TS-Grip...ic-Rubber.aspx As good as it gets. I've bought and loved their grips and products. Fast shipping too, you usually have them in a week or so. Check them out. These are thin grips from there. I love them. __________________ Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

August 13, 2011, 05:02 PM	#1660
1SOW Member Join Date: October 28, 2007 Location: South Texas Posts: 3,461	75B Slid Stop Broke --Again Just a heads up. On the second Stage in a Steel Match today, my 75B slide stop broke near the right end. This is the second slide stop to break. The original one broke about a 1 1/2 years ago--I believe. I was lucky to be shooting with a guy using a SPO1. He loaned me his slide stop for the next three stages---we swapped it back and forth. I recommend having spares if you shoot regularly. My pistol is on Slide stop #3, trigger spring #2, extractor #2 with twice/week shooting over two hundred rds/week avg. I have the part on order, and still really like the pistol.

August 12, 2011, 12:33 PM	#1656
Thompsoncustom Member Join Date: December 21, 2010 Posts: 506	I guess I should have been a little more specific, I meet the Thin style like shown about CZ custom makes them in alum but I have only been able to find them in wood overseas. Also the thin grips from CZ custom in alum are to price IMO.

August 12, 2011, 02:42 PM	#1658
Thompsoncustom Member Join Date: December 21, 2010 Posts: 506	designer grips also makes epoxy based cz grips, just checked out his website any tho and not as many choices as there was.

August 12, 2011, 05:26 PM	#1659
Lubricant Member Join Date: July 25, 2011 Location: Virginia Mn Posts: 54	If you read the owners manual carefully, they suggest that if you should break the capsule of the tritium sights,and possibly get a whiff of the gas,You should drink lots of beer.My kind of company.

August 13, 2011, 07:11 PM	#1661
Walt Sherrill Member Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 3,071	Just curious. What weight recoil spring are you running? Stock, or something lighter or heavier? I've got a spare slide stop, but have never had to use it. (I shoot my 85 Combat most of all, and don't have a spare for THAT gun. Need one, as it is different than the standard slide stop.)

August 13, 2011, 09:54 PM	#1663
1SOW Member Join Date: October 28, 2007 Location: South Texas Posts: 3,461	Mr. Sherrill & CZguy, I shoot 125gr JHPs at 1050'/min +/- (132pf). I'm running an 11lb recoil spring and my ejections aren't thrown over 7-8' max. I've thought of what you were thinking, but I don't think that's the issue.. I'm pretty sure I'm around 40K rds--I stopped keeping track some time ago. The last 25K(?) have been my reloads. Walt, your Combat uses a different slide stop. Last edited by 1SOW; August 13, 2011 at 10:00 PM.

August 13, 2011, 10:04 PM	#1664
armoredman Member Join Date: November 19, 2003 Location: proud to be in AZ Posts: 15,063	Hmm, not arguing in any way, but I've never had a slide stop break either in any of my CZs, but I do have a spare for the P-01. Sorry to hear about that. __________________ If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous? http://czfirearms.us/ The original CZ Forum, new address.

August 13, 2011, 10:20 PM	#1665
1SOW Member Join Date: October 28, 2007 Location: South Texas Posts: 3,461	armoredman, thanks. I'm not upset over it, just slightly inconvenienced by the timing. My 75B really shoots well and I'm "comfortable" with it. I think the trigger work would make you smile--it does me I would gladly pay more for a less brittle slide stop if it were available---maybe stainless(?). Both slide stops have broken near the same place--about 1/8" "inside" of the spring slot. The first one had a 'slanted' break (I tried to weld it and it only lasted two shoots). This one broke almost straight across the shaft. A heavier spring might lessen the impact, but my ejections were landing in my shirt pocket or on my right foot with the 14# spring with a coil or two cut off.

August 14, 2011, 06:41 AM	#1666
Walt Sherrill Member Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 3,071	RE: 85 Combat slide stops. Yes, for those who are unfamiliar with the 85C, they are different--because they are for an ambidextrous model. The far end of the stop has a smaller, slotted end to fit into the lever on the other side of the frame. Slide stop breaks are very rare in CZs, but they do happen. When they happen regularly, it seems to be a function of slightly out-of-spec openings in the frame. Yours is hardly happening regularly. (Some Witness and Tanfoglio guns used in IPSC, back when they were the "hot" gun there, were known to have slide stop breaks at 20K - 25K rounds; that's not exactly the same slide stop, but it is similar -- and some are interchangeable with CZs. I've never heard of a source for different slide stops, and I'm not sure brittleness is the issue.) Playing at the range one day, years back, swapping slides between guns, I mistakenly -- didn't realize I was doing it -- installed my 85 Combat slide stop [which is the same as the 85B slide stop] in my [non-ambi] Compact, and it broke after about three or four rounds fired. Duh. The far end wasn't properly supported, and allowed the stop to set at a slight angle, so that the barrel wasn't engaging it flushly. That had the effect of transferring the force of the recoil or return into a smaller area on the slide stop. I've seen two breaks: the 85 C break was near the far end, and I've seen another standard 75B slide stop break -- not mine -- nealy in the middle. Mike Eagleshield, head gunsmith at CZ, recommends a heavier recoil spring to minimize breakage, but I've always felt the cure was as bad as the disease -- as a heavier recoil spring causes the slide to slam forward with much greater speed on the return, and the slide stop takes almost the full brunt of that force. He may be right -- or it may be that we need to just change them out, as we would springs, at some point. You might ask this question of Angus Hobdell on the new CZ Forum; he is a wizard with all things CZ, a talented gunsmith, and shoots the gun for the CZ pistol team, too. He might know a solution. If I remember correctly, he routinely replaces the slide stops at a lower count. He may have better ideas. You can ask him ON/THRU that forum. I wonder if a slightly heavier spring might work? The Browning Hi-Power variable rate spring from Wolff Springs comes in a 14 lb weight, and is a perfect fit for the CZ. (The Wolff springs for the CZ are really Tanfoglio/Witness springs, with a larger diameter that doesn't properly fit the CZ guide rod; the BHP springs do fit. I don't think the diameter issue has anything to do with function -- just looks.) In the final analysis, as you seem to suggest, fixing your problem might be a case of fixing something that's not really "broke" in the first place, as that is a relatively high round count. The fact that the ejected cases aren't flying that far, and heavier springs don't send them far enough may simply mean you're stuck between a rock and hard place. Particularly if you're happy with your loads.

August 14, 2011, 08:45 AM	#1667
Ruddie Member Join Date: January 27, 2011 Location: North Georgia Posts: 181	Well, I don't know if it counts but I'm right in the middle of building a CZ-24 30.06 conversion and if a check I'm waiting on would arrive will own 2 CZ-82 pistols... Well, one mine and one the wardens.

August 14, 2011, 08:56 AM	#1668
Ruddie Member Join Date: January 27, 2011 Location: North Georgia Posts: 181	Need opinions. I bought this VZ-24 receiver, bolt, and barrel assembled for $25. I have already purchased an ATI stock for it so that's out of the way. I also need a trigger guard assembly and action screws. I found some locally but the guy wants $55 for the set. I don't really know if that's a good price or if I can do better elsewhere. Also come to find out the barrel needs to be cut and recrowned. I've been debating going back with an 8mm setup or recrowning the 30.06 barrel. My argument is I like shooting all of my guns a lot so I would lean towards the 8mm for the surplus ammo but don't know price wise if replacing the barrel with another would out weigh just having it recrowned. I am also making this a hunting rifle. I'm not concerned with dropping a white tail at 200 yards with either caliber....

August 14, 2011, 01:43 PM	#1670
FourTeeFive Member Join Date: February 25, 2006 Location: PNW WA Posts: 1,072	Midway usually has decent prices on the CZ .22 rifle magazines.

August 15, 2011, 01:02 AM	#1671
FourTeeFive Member Join Date: February 25, 2006 Location: PNW WA Posts: 1,072	Looks like the 452 and 453 magazines are the same: http://shop.cz-usa.com/P-12001/Mag-C...-Rd-Steel.aspx You can save a few bucks here: http://www.killoughshootingsports.co...m2-poly-1.html

August 15, 2011, 01:32 AM	#1672
gator-1 Member Join Date: June 10, 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 26	count me in. My first auto is a cz pcr. soots much better than i do, but that rattle snake in my drive way is just as dead.

August 15, 2011, 11:31 AM	#1673
FourTeeFive Member Join Date: February 25, 2006 Location: PNW WA Posts: 1,072	The 10-round metal magazines seem to be almost impossible to get.

August 15, 2011, 01:44 PM	#1674
dondavis3 Member Join Date: October 28, 2009 Location: Dallas / Forth Worth Area Posts: 588	@ Walt Sherrill I've got a 85 Combat too and really like it. Great shooting gun. Never any problems But it's round count isn't as high as some of the others here.

August 15, 2011, 03:27 PM	#1675
CZguy Member Join Date: March 25, 2004 Location: Missouri Posts: 3,895	^ Great gun, and particularly good photography. __________________ "When one engine fails on a twin-engine airplane you always have enough power left to get you to the scene of the crash." "Directions to heaven. Turn right, and go straight."