The CZ Club - Page 68

RT55 · August 16, 2011, 12:37 AM

Well Doc, it started with that first mil-surp CZ-82. Liked it so much, I had to find me a 75. The first one that came available was a compact CZ-75B PCR. Liked it so much that I had to find me the same gun in a full-size all-steel version. Found the CZ-75BD at a gun show, and it followed me home. They're all keepers. That BD, while the trigger is still working itself in, is the best shooter of the bunch. I have a buddy who loves his Beretta 92. He shot my BD, and now he feels less of the love for the Beretta, and lusts after a CZ-75. Gotta love the CZs!

dondavis3 · August 16, 2011, 12:30 PM

@ CZguy

thank you

MikeNice · August 18, 2011, 01:44 AM

I finally found a reason to complain about my P-07. After 13 hours with it on my hip the grip rubbed my side a little red. You definitely need an under shirt for extended wear.

The gun is otherwise great to carry. With a good iwb holster and belt it disappears from sight and mind. I drove five hours with it on and can't complain.

armoredman · August 18, 2011, 02:11 AM

Mike, that was my complaint about the P-07 - that aggressive checkering, (czechering?

), acted like a cheese grater on my tender flab. An undershirt cured that problem.

Jonah71 · August 29, 2011, 10:15 AM

I recently purchased a CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom without holding or seeing one (other than the picture in American Rifleman) I am basically satisfied with the gun. Very accurate and easy to keep on target. It's quickly turning into my favorite range gun and I keep close at night. But I think the trigger in SA or DA could be better so I decided to check on possible improvements and called a highly recommended local gunsmith and asked him if he could help. His response was not what I expected. "Boy, it is what it is. Just leave it alone or trade it for something else." Then he hung up. Is this a correct assessment? Somehow I get the feeling he just doesn't want to fool with it, or simply believes it's not worth it. If this is the case, then I'm not that pleased with him. Whether or not it's "worth it" is, imo, my call. The trigger was no big surprise to me because I do own another CZ, but I honestly did think it wouldn't be that much trouble to improve it a bit.

burningsquirrels · August 29, 2011, 10:19 AM

1. Never call that gunsmith again.

2. Yes, it's easy to improve the trigger of a CZ. Check over on the cz forums (czfirearms.us) and also look around on czcustom.com and cajun gun works. They all sell the parts you need to make your CZ far and away one of the best triggers around.

dondavis3 · August 29, 2011, 10:58 AM

How's that for customer service?

I'd never use him after that.

I haven't had my CZ 85 Combat (see above) worked on.

But it can be done and I understand the results are great.

Jonah71 · August 29, 2011, 11:14 AM

Thanks. I may even have the old one done if I like the results on the Phantom. I'll check out the web sights. I wouldn't mind something different than the 3 dot sights on the Phantom as well.

Walt Sherrill · August 29, 2011, 11:43 AM

Any gunsmith who says, with regard to the CZ, that "it is what it is," is lazy, hasn't worked on one before, or simply isn't competent. He obviously hasn't worked on any Witnesses, either.

He apparently doesn't know that Witnesses -- which are very similar -- and CZs have been widely used in international IPSC competition for years, with good results. Do you think those folks shoot crappy triggers?

Your trigger will get better with use, but as noted above, there's no reason to wait -- as there are techniques and parts that will give almost immediate results, and none of them are particularly expensive. The CZ Forum (you got the URL, above) also has photo-illustrated instructions to guide you through your own trigger jobs.

Jonah71 · August 29, 2011, 12:07 PM

Just checked out czcustom.com and this is going to be much cheaper and easier than I thought. But now I want a CZ Shadow. Also wouldn't mind having a compact model in the satin nickle finish.I need to just walk away from the PC now.......

FourTeeFive · August 31, 2011, 04:57 PM

Quote:

The trigger was no big surprise to me because I do own another CZ, but I honestly did think it wouldn't be that much trouble to improve it a bit.

I have heard from a few CZ owners that the trigger improvements made by a good gunsmith and czcustom parts can be very dramatic. I plan on having it done on all my CZ's, which are all double-action versions.

eerw · August 31, 2011, 05:03 PM

I'm working on a Phantom right now and with a little bit of work it cleans up really really nice.

Right now the DA is about 6# and the SA is just under 3# and it's running on CCI primers with no issues..

Phantom is a neat gun. Might have to get one someday.

**Walkalong** · August 31, 2011, 08:07 PM

I added a Competition hammer to my CZ 97, and the trigger is superb.

txgunsuscg · September 4, 2011, 04:53 PM

Added to my stable yesterday. Picked up a 75 Compact in satin nickle at the gun show. Current CZ count, 5......

larryh1108 · September 4, 2011, 05:32 PM

Would you mind sharing the price? That is my next purchase, the satin nickle in full size or compact. They are beautiful. I'm just wondering the going rate. I'm guessing $500ish. Thanks.

txgunsuscg · September 4, 2011, 08:12 PM

got mine for $527 out the door, the cheapest I have seen new is $499, plus whatever transfer fee your dealer charges....

On a separate note, anyone use VZ Grips Tactical Diamonds on their guns? I think a pair of the Black Cherry G10 would look great against the nickel....

armoredman · September 4, 2011, 09:11 PM

My Phantom rocks.

MikeNice · September 5, 2011, 01:32 AM

All of this talk about custom trigger work has me wondering something. Can the Omega trigger be sweetened up? That nearly 12lb DA pull is a bit of a beast. I have the arm strength to do it. I just have a bad habit of jerking through it.

I would love for the DA pull to be about 9lbs and the SA to be about 5.5lbs.

Walt Sherrill · September 5, 2011, 09:41 AM

Haven't heard of Omega triggers being THAT heavy. Sounds like you just need a lighter hammer (main) spring. (Which is something you can do yourself, although getting the old spring out and the new spring in can be challenging -- until you've seen it done. (Check the CZ-USA-sponsored [links on that web site] for plenty of how-to information.)

I'd prefer 5-6 lb for DA, and 3-4 for SA.

But, yes, the Omega triggers can be worked.

dondavis3 · September 5, 2011, 07:21 PM

I love my 2 CZ's

My CZ 75B Compact Stainless

My CZ 85 Combat Stainless.

Both are great shooters.

armoredman · September 5, 2011, 08:11 PM

Love that pic.

Walt Sherrill · September 5, 2011, 08:12 PM

That is the FIRST stainless Compact and stainless 85 Combat I've seen. Didn't know they were available in Stainless. (I've had both in satin nickel, and still have the 85 Combat.)

The CZ-USA website shows ONLY satin nickel as being available for those models. How'd you find those?!

Are the mag releases reversible (same shape on both sides) as with the other, newer guns?

Does the Compact have ambidextrous safeties -- as with the other stainless guns?

Or are they really nickel plated?
.

dondavis3 · September 5, 2011, 10:02 PM

@ armouredman

Thanks

@ Walt

I'm sorry ... You're right ...

They are both Satin Nickel .. I had a old man moment.

Twmaster · September 6, 2011, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armoredman

My Phantom rocks.

AM is that you with your P-01?

MikeNice · September 6, 2011, 03:57 AM

Walt where can I pick up one of those springs and what weight would I need? I am having trouble finding anything for the P-07 Duty.

Also, what are the other possible downsides to changing the spring?

August 18, 2011, 01:44 AM	#1678
MikeNice Member Join Date: August 10, 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,001	I finally found a reason to complain about my P-07. After 13 hours with it on my hip the grip rubbed my side a little red. You definitely need an under shirt for extended wear. The gun is otherwise great to carry. With a good iwb holster and belt it disappears from sight and mind. I drove five hours with it on and can't complain. __________________ ‘‘In a polity, each citizen is to possess his own arms, which are not supplied or owned by the state.’’ — Aristotle

August 18, 2011, 02:11 AM	#1679
armoredman Member Join Date: November 19, 2003 Location: proud to be in AZ Posts: 14,988	Mike, that was my complaint about the P-07 - that aggressive checkering, (czechering? ), acted like a cheese grater on my tender flab. An undershirt cured that problem. __________________ If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous? http://czfirearms.us/ The original CZ Forum, new address.

August 29, 2011, 10:15 AM	#1680
Jonah71 Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Central Missouri near Whiteman A.F.B. Posts: 1,224	I recently purchased a CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom without holding or seeing one (other than the picture in American Rifleman) I am basically satisfied with the gun. Very accurate and easy to keep on target. It's quickly turning into my favorite range gun and I keep close at night. But I think the trigger in SA or DA could be better so I decided to check on possible improvements and called a highly recommended local gunsmith and asked him if he could help. His response was not what I expected. "Boy, it is what it is. Just leave it alone or trade it for something else." Then he hung up. Is this a correct assessment? Somehow I get the feeling he just doesn't want to fool with it, or simply believes it's not worth it. If this is the case, then I'm not that pleased with him. Whether or not it's "worth it" is, imo, my call. The trigger was no big surprise to me because I do own another CZ, but I honestly did think it wouldn't be that much trouble to improve it a bit. Last edited by Jonah71; August 29, 2011 at 10:17 AM. Reason: correction

August 29, 2011, 10:19 AM	#1681
burningsquirrels Member Join Date: April 1, 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 1,562	1. Never call that gunsmith again. 2. Yes, it's easy to improve the trigger of a CZ. Check over on the cz forums (czfirearms.us) and also look around on czcustom.com and cajun gun works. They all sell the parts you need to make your CZ far and away one of the best triggers around. __________________ Want to learn more about USPSA competition? Click here! CZ Pistols: Perfect for carry and competition and because I like to win. My 40B mini site for all CZ shooters.

August 31, 2011, 08:07 PM	#1688
Walkalong Moderator Join Date: November 20, 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 29,711	I added a Competition hammer to my CZ 97, and the trigger is superb. __________________ Do you ever wonder why nobody ever robs the bag man for the mob? No, you don't. "Oh bother" said Pooh, as he chambered another round. Author unknown.

August 16, 2011, 12:37 AM	#1676
RT55 Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 25	Well Doc, it started with that first mil-surp CZ-82. Liked it so much, I had to find me a 75. The first one that came available was a compact CZ-75B PCR. Liked it so much that I had to find me the same gun in a full-size all-steel version. Found the CZ-75BD at a gun show, and it followed me home. They're all keepers. That BD, while the trigger is still working itself in, is the best shooter of the bunch. I have a buddy who loves his Beretta 92. He shot my BD, and now he feels less of the love for the Beretta, and lusts after a CZ-75. Gotta love the CZs!

August 16, 2011, 12:30 PM	#1677
dondavis3 Member Join Date: October 28, 2009 Location: Dallas / Forth Worth Area Posts: 588	@ CZguy thank you

August 29, 2011, 10:58 AM	#1682
dondavis3 Member Join Date: October 28, 2009 Location: Dallas / Forth Worth Area Posts: 588	How's that for customer service? I'd never use him after that. I haven't had my CZ 85 Combat (see above) worked on. But it can be done and I understand the results are great.

August 29, 2011, 11:14 AM	#1683
Jonah71 Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Central Missouri near Whiteman A.F.B. Posts: 1,224	Thanks. I may even have the old one done if I like the results on the Phantom. I'll check out the web sights. I wouldn't mind something different than the 3 dot sights on the Phantom as well.

August 29, 2011, 11:43 AM	#1684
Walt Sherrill Member Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 3,047	Any gunsmith who says, with regard to the CZ, that "it is what it is," is lazy, hasn't worked on one before, or simply isn't competent. He obviously hasn't worked on any Witnesses, either. He apparently doesn't know that Witnesses -- which are very similar -- and CZs have been widely used in international IPSC competition for years, with good results. Do you think those folks shoot crappy triggers? Your trigger will get better with use, but as noted above, there's no reason to wait -- as there are techniques and parts that will give almost immediate results, and none of them are particularly expensive. The CZ Forum (you got the URL, above) also has photo-illustrated instructions to guide you through your own trigger jobs.

August 29, 2011, 12:07 PM	#1685
Jonah71 Member Join Date: December 4, 2009 Location: Central Missouri near Whiteman A.F.B. Posts: 1,224	Just checked out czcustom.com and this is going to be much cheaper and easier than I thought. But now I want a CZ Shadow. Also wouldn't mind having a compact model in the satin nickle finish.I need to just walk away from the PC now.......

August 31, 2011, 05:03 PM	#1687
eerw Member Join Date: January 5, 2003 Location: AZ Posts: 711	I'm working on a Phantom right now and with a little bit of work it cleans up really really nice. Right now the DA is about 6# and the SA is just under 3# and it's running on CCI primers with no issues.. Phantom is a neat gun. Might have to get one someday.

September 4, 2011, 04:53 PM	#1689
txgunsuscg Member Join Date: January 1, 2011 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 447	Added to my stable yesterday. Picked up a 75 Compact in satin nickle at the gun show. Current CZ count, 5...... __________________ Either with your shield or on it. 1911 armorer, Glock Armorer, NRA Life Member, NRA Pistol Instructor.

September 4, 2011, 05:32 PM	#1690
larryh1108 Member Join Date: August 29, 2008 Location: Litchfield County, CT Posts: 1,193	Would you mind sharing the price? That is my next purchase, the satin nickle in full size or compact. They are beautiful. I'm just wondering the going rate. I'm guessing $500ish. Thanks. __________________ Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

September 4, 2011, 08:12 PM	#1691
txgunsuscg Member Join Date: January 1, 2011 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 447	got mine for $527 out the door, the cheapest I have seen new is $499, plus whatever transfer fee your dealer charges.... On a separate note, anyone use VZ Grips Tactical Diamonds on their guns? I think a pair of the Black Cherry G10 would look great against the nickel.... __________________ Either with your shield or on it. 1911 armorer, Glock Armorer, NRA Life Member, NRA Pistol Instructor. Last edited by txgunsuscg; September 4, 2011 at 08:44 PM.

September 4, 2011, 09:11 PM	#1692
armoredman Member Join Date: November 19, 2003 Location: proud to be in AZ Posts: 14,988	My Phantom rocks. __________________ If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous? http://czfirearms.us/ The original CZ Forum, new address.

September 5, 2011, 01:32 AM	#1693
MikeNice Member Join Date: August 10, 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,001	All of this talk about custom trigger work has me wondering something. Can the Omega trigger be sweetened up? That nearly 12lb DA pull is a bit of a beast. I have the arm strength to do it. I just have a bad habit of jerking through it. I would love for the DA pull to be about 9lbs and the SA to be about 5.5lbs. __________________ ‘‘In a polity, each citizen is to possess his own arms, which are not supplied or owned by the state.’’ — Aristotle

September 5, 2011, 09:41 AM	#1694
Walt Sherrill Member Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 3,047	Haven't heard of Omega triggers being THAT heavy. Sounds like you just need a lighter hammer (main) spring. (Which is something you can do yourself, although getting the old spring out and the new spring in can be challenging -- until you've seen it done. (Check the CZ-USA-sponsored [links on that web site] for plenty of how-to information.) I'd prefer 5-6 lb for DA, and 3-4 for SA. But, yes, the Omega triggers can be worked.

September 5, 2011, 07:21 PM	#1695
dondavis3 Member Join Date: October 28, 2009 Location: Dallas / Forth Worth Area Posts: 588	I love my 2 CZ's My CZ 75B Compact Stainless My CZ 85 Combat Stainless. Both are great shooters.

September 5, 2011, 08:11 PM	#1696
armoredman Member Join Date: November 19, 2003 Location: proud to be in AZ Posts: 14,988	Love that pic. __________________ If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous? http://czfirearms.us/ The original CZ Forum, new address.

September 5, 2011, 08:12 PM	#1697
Walt Sherrill Member Join Date: January 1, 2003 Location: Winston-Salem, NC Posts: 3,047	That is the FIRST stainless Compact and stainless 85 Combat I've seen. Didn't know they were available in Stainless. (I've had both in satin nickel, and still have the 85 Combat.) The CZ-USA website shows ONLY satin nickel as being available for those models. How'd you find those?! Are the mag releases reversible (same shape on both sides) as with the other, newer guns? Does the Compact have ambidextrous safeties -- as with the other stainless guns? Or are they really nickel plated? . Last edited by Walt Sherrill; September 5, 2011 at 08:20 PM. Reason: typos

September 5, 2011, 10:02 PM	#1698
dondavis3 Member Join Date: October 28, 2009 Location: Dallas / Forth Worth Area Posts: 588	@ armouredman Thanks @ Walt I'm sorry ... You're right ... They are both Satin Nickel .. I had a old man moment.

September 6, 2011, 03:57 AM	#1700
MikeNice Member Join Date: August 10, 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,001	Walt where can I pick up one of those springs and what weight would I need? I am having trouble finding anything for the P-07 Duty. Also, what are the other possible downsides to changing the spring? __________________ ‘‘In a polity, each citizen is to possess his own arms, which are not supplied or owned by the state.’’ — Aristotle