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Old February 13, 2012, 04:22 PM   #1876
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CZ 75 Compact Two-Tone. You may drool.

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Old February 13, 2012, 04:28 PM   #1877
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Have a UBG Striker IWb for this beauty and a set of Marschal grips on the way. My second CZ; this is little brother to full size CZ 75b
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Old February 17, 2012, 05:16 PM   #1878
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Just joined the club with the P-01. Will be cleaning this weekend and off to the range on Monday.
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Old February 22, 2012, 12:45 AM   #1879
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Good news posted by "exczech" on the CZ forum:
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Here is copy from CZ-UB news in case you missed it.

Between the 17th and 19th February 2012 a major tournament took place in the United States, the Florida Open 2012, an IPSC pistol shooting event (shot in accordance with the American rules of the USPSA) in which selected shooters from Česká zbrojovka also competed. The tournament took place at the shooting range at which, in the year 2014, the World Championship in IPSC shooting will be held. Our contestants, at the beginning of the season and having just arrived, flying in from frozen Central Europe exhausted, were not absolutely in top gear but, nevertheless, in competition with close to 400 competitors from America and Europe they definitely made their mark, taking a number of top places.

Robin Šebo (who usually shoots in the Open Division) won the Production Division using the CZ 75 SP 01 Shadow pistol, while another shooter from Uherský Brod, Marián Vyšný, finished third, using the same gun as the winner. European champion Edward de Cobos of Spain was only able to squeeze into second place between these two shooters. For Robin this was an even more significant achievement, since this was the first time that he had shot in this division in such a major international tournament.

Another victory in the Florida Open 2012 was achieved in the Single Stack Division by the American shooter, Angus Hobdel, for the CZ - USA subsidiary company, using the Dan Wesson pistol. This quota of successes was additionally augmented by shooter Martin Kameníček who, in the Open Division, very strongly challenged by outstanding American shooters finished seventh overall and second in the International category, i.e. in the rankings of foreign shooters.

The tournament was organised by the former excellent U.S. shooter, Frank Garcia, and for the shooters from Uherský Brod it served as a perfect preparation for future World Championships. At the same time the tournament also confirmed the dominant position of the CZ 75 SP 01 Shadow Pistol as the weapon of choice of the world's top shooters.

How about that Shadow baby.
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Old February 24, 2012, 09:06 PM   #1880
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The genuine article, CZ52, CZ 82, and RV85 (26.5 mm launcher, google it-it's sweet)
The copies, EAA Witness .45 and TZ75 9mm.

I like CZs. They're great.
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Old February 27, 2012, 06:39 AM   #1881
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Wanna join this club with my CZ. First at all, this site is great and very useful, so I desided to join this virtual community if you all dont mind. Im living in Estonia, so sorry my English. Its broken sometimes because I havenˇt used it for 20 years since I had been graduated.

So, I use as everyday CCW CZ-110 (9x19) SA-DA pistol for 2 years. It costed me appr. 400 USD.
I guess this model is very rare here in the US. CZ110 manufacturing is ended some years ago.
CZ-110 is not heavy due to its polymere frame and 13-round magazine. Easy to conceal. Has a dekocker. So its quite safe to wear it with chamber loaded. But there are no outer safeties...
Unfortunately, here in Estonia carrying a semi-auto pistol with loaded chamber is against the law. Nobody can explain why, because there is no such restriction for revolvers. (Some people guess its Soviet "legacy" caused by well known issue with TT - loaded TT may accidentially discharge when dropped, you know).
CZ 110 shoots well - its very accurate. Have put through it appr. 2500 rounds.
But trigger pull length is very-very long and very tough in DA mode. May be its not a bug, but feature, besause this pistol is typical SD one.
Got issue with factory recoil spring - it was very weak what caused misfires in SA mode (DA mode worked well anyway) and strong recoil. Spring was changed by the Glock one (aftermarket rs for Glock17, reduced by 1-2 mm). Recoil is now fine and there is no misfires anymore.
One magazine spring was also weak and I havent changed it yet. Guess magasine spring for CZ-75 Shadow 15 rd magazines will help.
CZ 110 is my first handgun. The second one is Glock 17 gen 4, which is used for IPSC.
I do not recommend CZ-110 for IPSC shooting due to its magazine capacity.
Some hours later Iˇll try to post some fotos.
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Old February 27, 2012, 08:30 AM   #1882
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Greetings, and you're right - the CZ 110 was never imported into the US, only the double action only CZ 100. That is the ONLY CZ pistol I would never recommend, had one, trigger was insane. Interesting design, I can say that.
You should look around, as the P-02 is in Europe, and the P-07 Duty is getting a good following. I recommend the CZ SP-01 for IPSC, and I personally carry a SP-01 Phantom, the poly version - great sidearm.
Welcome, sir! Nice to hear Estonia allows civilian carry, even with a strange caveat like empty chamber. I also hear Estonia has great beer.
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Old February 27, 2012, 09:29 AM   #1883
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Welcome to the forum ...

I think you'll like it here.

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Old February 27, 2012, 09:34 AM   #1884
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I'll be joining the CZ Club shortly.....have a SP-01 Phantom on the way, pics to follow.
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Old February 27, 2012, 10:20 AM   #1885
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Images uploaded...

Thanks you all. Civilian carry is allowed in Estonia since 1993. But due to specific Soviet past, a lot of people do not understand why/if they need a firearm. So until now percentage of gun owners in my country is low.
About beer - some Estonian beer is great, some is so-so.
About CZ-110. This pistol in fact fullfils all my needs in SD, but I wouldn`t buy it again. I`d rather bought RAMI or CZ 75 compact.
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Old February 27, 2012, 09:41 PM   #1886
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Hello Glock17Gen4 and welcome to the forum. Your two posts are very informative and I enjoyed reading them.

The carrying of a pistol with an empty chamber is not that unusual; the Israeli military or police carried in this manner with the Browning HP. I have heard other groups doing the same but do not recall from where.
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Old February 27, 2012, 09:52 PM   #1887
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I suspect the Estonian law not allowing carry with a loaded chamber is old, and the folks who implemented it aren't gun enthusiasts.

Nearly all modern guns have firing pin blocks that prevent accidental discharges when the gun is dropped. (As do most revolvers.)

Some Israelis DID carry with an empty chamber, but that approach requires TWO HANDS when getting ready to use the weapon, and I'm not sure it's SAFE to assume that you'll always be able to do that or, more likely, that you'll be able to do it in the time required. Now that the Israelis use more modern guns (including variants of the CZ, and Glocks, and SIGs), that's apparently no longer a common practice.

In the case of legal requirements like the laws you cite, you do what you've got to do...

JAYMO: The CZ-52 is a different breed of gun, built by the folks who built the CZ rifles, NOT by the people who later designed the CZ-75 and built the 82s and 83. (The 52 came out of a different factory... really a different subsidiary of the same industrial complex under the Communist management.) Different heritage.

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Old February 27, 2012, 11:24 PM   #1888
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just joined the cz club with a 75b SA in 40sw- wish I hadn't waited so long to hop on board.
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Old February 28, 2012, 02:13 AM   #1889
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By the way, my fathers pistol is also CZ - CZ83 chambered in 7.65. Exellent pistol. 7.65 is not so good for self defence, though. But shooting it is fun. Its very accurate and recoil is completely comfortable.
About Estonian gun laws. In 1993, if you intended to by a pistol, the real choice was - Makarov or TT. All other handguns were so expensive that practically no one could afford it. CZ83 was about USD 800, average salary - appr.200 per month.
TT has an issue mentioned above. So I guess, in 1993 not allowing carry with a loaded chamber was (may be) right. But now it seems to be completely outdated.
By the way, the same requirement is implemented in Lithuanian and Latvian gun laws. Unexpectedly, Moldova gun law has no such restriction.
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Old February 28, 2012, 05:05 AM   #1890
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Glock17Gen4,

Welcome to the high road. I'm reading your posts with great interest, thanks for taking the time.

How are firearms viewed by the general public in your country?
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Old February 28, 2012, 09:21 AM   #1891
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Glock17Gen4, perhaps they would understand better if it was pointed out that an armed citizenry can prevent a Soviet future. Go get the CZ-75 Compact or the PCR, you will be very happy with either one.
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Old February 29, 2012, 06:52 AM   #1892
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Thank you guys for reading my posts. And Iˇll try to answer your questions.
1. Our general public has very little interest to firearms. Estonian citizens have about 70000 units of pistols, rifles and shotguns at their homes (entire population is about 1,3 mil people). Our local gun laws allow each citizen to keep 8 firearms. (If you want more, you got to build special room with armored walls for keeping your firearms safe - "gun storage room").
So I guess there is not more than 50000 people own firearms in Estonia (some people, like me, own more than one firearm).
The only one political party in Estonia that is against the people´s right to keep and bear firearms, is, of course, SDE (Social-democratic Party of Estonia ). Fortunately, they have now only about 10 mandates in estonian legislative body (out of 101).
2. In fact, the local people who want to prevent "Soviet future" may join "Kaitseliit" ("Union for defence"). This is something like...uhh... US militia movement may be (to be honest, I dont know much about US militia, but it seems to be quite adequate comparison).
But estonian one is supported by the state and ruled by professional estonian army officers. If you join Kaitseliit, you have a right to free military training, uniform and free firearms at you home (if you wish, you may keep at home even full-auto ones). There are about 13000 Kaitseliidu members here. Not all of them are "active" members, of course.
3. I had no practice with PCR, but I agree CZ 75 Compact is great pistol. May be in the future I buy this one too.

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Old February 29, 2012, 07:04 AM   #1893
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If you're considering another CZ to buy.

You may want to consider a CZ 85 Combat



I don't know if the CZ 85 combat is available in Estonia or not.

By the way I have visited your country and loved your very friendly people.

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Old February 29, 2012, 07:09 AM   #1894
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Yes, this one should be available here.
But now, after buying a Glock, I have no sufficient money for 4-5 months at least .
But after that time will tell.

Nice to hear, that some people here in US even know, where Estonia is
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Old February 29, 2012, 07:02 PM   #1895
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I like your Union For Defense; my home state of Arizona is trying to start one like that - our militia is comprised of the organized militia, usually referred to as being the National Guard, and the unorganized militia, everyday people and whatever they have to shoot with today.
CZ-85 is another great pistol to try.
I know where Estonia is, and would love to visit sometime, but finances probably won't allow it. If I win the lottery, I'll bring you finances for your new pistol when I swing through.
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Old March 1, 2012, 03:49 AM   #1896
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Thank you armoredman.

If I win the lottery, I'll do the same for you.
May be I should start buying lottery tickets?

Honest and good man prays to the Lord:
- My Lord, may I win ten million dollars this year!

This year has gone, but nothing happened.

The next year, the same prayer, but still nothing happened.

Third year, the same man prays to the Lord again.

God becomes angry and answers him:
- Man, give me a chance, buy a lottery ticket!


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Old March 1, 2012, 06:38 AM   #1897
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Oh I don't know.............I figure my odds are about the same whether I buy one or not.

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Old March 1, 2012, 07:57 AM   #1898
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I'm not trying to confuse the issue but

Another CZ that you might want to consider

CZ 75 P07 Duty






On this gun you can

1. turn the safety one way & you get "To swap the decocker to a safety if you plan on carrying cocked and locked"

or

2. turn the safety the opposite way & you get the de-cocker only - no safety.

You do it yourself at home - mine came switched to the de-cocker position So I didn't have to change anything.

There are 3 excellent movies that show how to do this switch at home.

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-p07-duty/

Sorry to be so mean .... choices - choices

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Old March 2, 2012, 10:35 AM   #1899
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LOL!
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