Make me smart about this ammo...

Chris Rhines · July 20, 2003, 12:30 PM

Saw it on ammoman.com, for sale at a pretty good price ($160/1000.)

http://www.ammoman.com/IMAGES/Speer_9-124P_2.jpg

So tell me, is it worth buying some? Or is it 'factory-second' ammo that I can expect reliability problems from? Would you carry it/load it in a defensive gun?

If I do buy some, I'll probably go ahead and get 1000-1500 rounds so's I can do some extensive function-testing.

Thanks all,
Chris

Quintin Likely · July 20, 2003, 12:43 PM

I've still got about 200 rounds of this stuff in 180 gr .40 cal.

From what I understand, I think it's leftovers that Speer determined wasn't up to their standards for duty/carry/personal protection ammo. So they box it up, brand it as "practice ammo" and sell it cheap. All I've used it for is range ammo, even though it's been very reliable in my P239.

Bartholomew Roberts · July 20, 2003, 04:02 PM

It was ammo intended for LE use that was recalled by Speer. I believe the issue was hard primers not detonating reliably.

FJC · July 20, 2003, 05:10 PM

I've been told the same, that it was recalled due to hard primers. I seem to recall posts saying that it was generally very reliable - it sounded like it would be flawless in a hammer-strike style pistol, but may be too hard for some striker-fired pistols.

That said, I've fired around 150 rounds of the stuff with no problems in a P7M8 (striker system), and 200+ in a BHP (hammer) and haven't had any issues.

If you're buying it for range use, I wouldn't worry about it - but due to Speers concerns, I wouldn't (and don't) use it for carry/defensive/LE purposes.

**Justin** · July 20, 2003, 05:20 PM

I ordered some of the stuff a few weeks ago. I've shot probably 50 rounds of it. Just out of curiosity I called Speer and asked them what the story was. Apparently they had an issue with some of the primers not detonating which could cause a misfire. The person I spoke with told me that the odds of getting a bad primer are about 1/100,000. So it's up to you if you want to play the odds and carry it or just use it for practice ammo and function testing mags/guns.

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July 20, 2003, 12:30 PM	#1
Chris Rhines Member Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Potomac, Maryland - Behind enemy lines!! Posts: 3,309	Make me smart about this ammo... Saw it on ammoman.com, for sale at a pretty good price ($160/1000.) http://www.ammoman.com/IMAGES/Speer_9-124P_2.jpg So tell me, is it worth buying some? Or is it 'factory-second' ammo that I can expect reliability problems from? Would you carry it/load it in a defensive gun? If I do buy some, I'll probably go ahead and get 1000-1500 rounds so's I can do some extensive function-testing. Thanks all, Chris __________________ http://multigun.wordpress.com

July 20, 2003, 12:43 PM	#2
Quintin Likely Member Join Date: December 29, 2002 Location: Relay 3, Target 17 Posts: 898	I've still got about 200 rounds of this stuff in 180 gr .40 cal. From what I understand, I think it's leftovers that Speer determined wasn't up to their standards for duty/carry/personal protection ammo. So they box it up, brand it as "practice ammo" and sell it cheap. All I've used it for is range ammo, even though it's been very reliable in my P239. __________________ You'd think that as many times as I've been up this creek, I would have remembered to bring a paddle.

July 20, 2003, 05:10 PM	#4
FJC Member Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 391	I've been told the same, that it was recalled due to hard primers. I seem to recall posts saying that it was generally very reliable - it sounded like it would be flawless in a hammer-strike style pistol, but may be too hard for some striker-fired pistols. That said, I've fired around 150 rounds of the stuff with no problems in a P7M8 (striker system), and 200+ in a BHP (hammer) and haven't had any issues. If you're buying it for range use, I wouldn't worry about it - but due to Speers concerns, I wouldn't (and don't) use it for carry/defensive/LE purposes. __________________ --FJC

July 20, 2003, 05:20 PM	#5
Justin Moderator Join Date: December 29, 2002 Location: Out west where the wind blows tall. Posts: 13,880	I ordered some of the stuff a few weeks ago. I've shot probably 50 rounds of it. Just out of curiosity I called Speer and asked them what the story was. Apparently they had an issue with some of the primers not detonating which could cause a misfire. The person I spoke with told me that the odds of getting a bad primer are about 1/100,000. So it's up to you if you want to play the odds and carry it or just use it for practice ammo and function testing mags/guns. And There You Go __________________ Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. -H.L. Mencken Match coverage, gear reviews, and other shooty goodness: Way of the Multigun You should be a member of The Second Amendment Foundation A.R.M.S., Inc: shoddy, overpriced products made by an unscrupulous company. Buy from LaRue instead.

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July 20, 2003, 04:02 PM	#3
Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,596	It was ammo intended for LE use that was recalled by Speer. I believe the issue was hard primers not detonating reliably.