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Old May 31, 2015, 10:58 AM   #1
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Springfield Trapdoor 1884

A pard came across what I think is a cadet version of this rifle. It has a full stock with bayonet, but the stock and barrel are shorter than a full size version. It is not a carbine model, but still looks interesting.

Did these start out as centerfire black powder or smokeless cartridge rifles?
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Old May 31, 2015, 11:44 AM   #2
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Old May 31, 2015, 08:20 PM   #3
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I beieve smokeless powder didn't appear readily until 1889-90.

The trapdoor started in 1866 in .58 caliber centerfire, then, 50-70 Govt, and lastly, 45-70 Govt.
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Old May 31, 2015, 09:15 PM   #4
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There was a GI smokeless .45-70 in 1892, I guess to tide the Army over until they got Krag production going. It was reportedly hell for stout and very hard on the old guns.

Black is proper and safer. You can load nitro if careful, the Wolf Spence book goes into it.
Do not get caught up in the Trail Boss mystique. That is pistol powder and any reasonably safe load with it in .45-70 is way underpowered.
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Old May 31, 2015, 10:07 PM   #5
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According to the Ordnance Officer for the Grand Army of the Frontier shooting group over at The Barracks Forum at Cas City, this cadet rifle is a legal rifle for shooting competition with the GAF since some US Army units used this as a first line battle rifle as did some National Guard units. It would best be paired period wise with Coltish SAA. but he said I could compete with a .45 LC conversion in my replica New Model Army. Also, he gave me some great economical tips on getting my circa 1884 kit and fatigues together. Now if I could only determine whether Rangers used these short barrelled Springfields in the mid 1880s
I would have another impression. Looks like a trip to Waco to the Ranger Museum is in order.
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Old May 31, 2015, 10:29 PM   #6
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Interesting. Cadets are not as uncommon as I thought, 2000 first type 1884s, 10,500 second type; the last Trapdoors made. Still a good catch.
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Old May 31, 2015, 11:55 PM   #7
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Yep, might be a good grab for my planned purpose, but I will have to see if I can trade a couple of my good best Italian repro revolvers, since I am low on yankee script right now.
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Old June 1, 2015, 03:10 AM   #8
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What's wrong with your Walker Elhombre? Too old?
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Old June 1, 2015, 04:07 AM   #9
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No comprende. Yo soy viejo, no mi pistola. lol
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Old June 1, 2015, 09:28 AM   #10
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This is the site I recommend for all things Trapdoor.

http://trapdoorcollector.com/

The rifle was originally introduced in 1865 as a rimfire conversion of the 1861 Musket. It was "improved" to become the 1866, a centerfire rifle and the bore was sleeved to accet the 50-70 Government cartridge. These two converted rifles are where the idea of the "weak" trapdoors originated. By 1873, all the parts for the Trapdoors were produced using the most modern techniques of the time.

From April to June of 1898, the Armory experimented with smokleless powder loads but the experiment was short lived due to the Spanish American War.

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Old June 6, 2015, 04:59 PM   #11
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IIRC, one point to look for on a "Cadet" rifle is the lack of sling swivels. West Point Cadets were not allowed to "sling arms" so their rifles had no place to attach a sling. Many ordinary trapdoor rifles with cut off barrels have been sold as "cadet" rifles at fancy prices, so "buyer beware."

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