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Old August 25, 2015, 02:37 PM   #1
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Tucker and Sherrard

There's a Tucker and Sherrard for sale on GB Auction # 502767237. I've already got a cased set, so I won't be bidding on this one.
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Old August 25, 2015, 03:56 PM   #2
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Not many of them made either then or now. There is some discussion as to whether they were ever made during the ACW down here in Texas, around Lancaster. Uberti makes a nice copy of this interesting Colt clone.
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Old August 26, 2015, 02:26 PM   #3
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I can' believe what I did. I just bought it! ��
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Old August 26, 2015, 06:25 PM   #4
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I can't believe what I did. I just bought it! ��

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=502767237

If this is the pistol, I envy you except for the price, unless you are REALLY into a Tucker, Sherrard and Company clone. It appears to be in VERY good condition, and IMO is right on spec down to the lack of any loading aperture/recess on the right barrel lug.

I must make some comments, and none in any order as I am probably going to ramble as my thoughts come:

Replica Arms El Paso folded in 1965 and was bought out by Western Arms NM around ~1965. Replica Arms restarted in Marietta Ohio after that. Both Western Arms and Replica Arms imported ASM pistols.

IIRC, ASM was sold to Uberti ~1973, so many Uberti pistols of that period and beyond contained ASM parts. If Uberti used ASM machinery, who knows how long this continued.

I have a first year-of-issue REPLICA ARMS CO EL PASO TEXAS 1848 Pocket Pistol .31 6" barrel with load lever ASM (but not marked as such) starting in 1963 (date mark XIX). Your new acquisition shows alpha characters in a box (which I cannot read), so that puts your manufacture date at 1975 or later.

My Replica Arms 1848 Pocket Pistol:



I noticed that your pistol has the same approximate "droop" at the rammer pivot. Do your self a favor and try to actuate the rammer into a chamber to see if it aligns well. Mine does not because of this:






I am not saying yours will have the same poor fit. I will try to see if a Uberti 1849 rammer will fit mine.

I like the pistol because it is a very early replica (in the modern sense) but the Italian pistols manufactured these days are far above the ones from 50 years ago.
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Old August 26, 2015, 08:58 PM   #5
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IIRC, ASM was sold to Uberti ~1973, so many Uberti pistols of that period and beyond contained ASM parts. If Uberti used ASM machinery, who knows how long this continued.
I do not thinkk you are recalling correctly. Armi San Marco was it's own company until 2002 when it went out of business. The Tucker & Sherrards were made in the mid to late 70s time frame. There were 400 cased sets made that had T prefixed serial numbers. There were also some individual revolvers made. Since this one has a T prefix SN, somewhere along the line, the case & accessories have gone astray.
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Old August 26, 2015, 09:55 PM   #6
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That is an interesting revolver. The "factory" was not far from my gggpaws farm/ranch in that part of the Texas. I have a pic of him posing with his Colt.

I wonder if Uberti took Colt "Dragoon" parts off the regular assembly line and added the Texas engravings to make these semi-rare replicas. Fingers????
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Old August 27, 2015, 07:32 PM   #7
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I wonder if Uberti took Colt "Dragoon" parts off the regular assembly line and added the Texas engravings to make these semi-rare replicas. Fingers????
I wouldn't be surprised. The barrels could have just not had the loading cut on the right side done in the machining process and the cylinder roll engraving die changed out with the Texas star die for the number scheduled in the production run.
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Old August 27, 2015, 07:48 PM   #8
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Fingers:

I respect your wide expertise in all manner of C&B pistols.

My reference to Uberti buying out ASM came from this source:

Dr. Jim L. Davis, http://rprca.tripod.com/

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Hello Jim,

What you have is a first year production ASM revolver. Armi San Paolo did not go into production until around 1970. ASM produced all of the small and large frame revolvers in the beginning. Indeed there is very strong evidence that the parts supposedly sold to Colt through Uberti were actually ASM parts. Thus the 2nd Gen Colts were part ASM, not Uberti. Interesting bit of trivia. Hope this helps.

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Hello Dr. Davis,

I am responding to your email address on an old 2010 thread on TFL. I am wondering if you have collected any more info on Armi San Marco(s) pistols since that time.

My inquiry pertains to a REPLICA ARMS EL PASO TEXAS (stamped on the right barrel flat above the wedge) 1848 Pocket .31 Squareback 5 (nominal 6) barrel with load lever. The serial mumber 288 appears on the frame, barrel, trigger guard, and the bottom of the backstrap. Other than the importer markings, the barrel stamped MADE IN ITALY (on the left barrel flat above the wedge) and the Italian proofmarks on the frame, barrel, and the face of the cylinder, as well as manufacture date XIX (1963), there are no other manufacturer markings, cartouches, et al. Im wanting to think it is an ASM or Armi San Paolo pistol, but I am looking for other proof from folks such as you.

Thanks in advance!

Jim
Also this:

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=403002

http://www.1960nma.org/ItalianBrothe...2.%2006.11.htm

Enlighten me as to the corporate line and association of ASM/Uberti/ Replica Arms El Paso TX/Replica Arms Marietta OH/ et al.

Do you have any documentation that, in fact, ASM was marketing C&B revolvers from 1974 -2002, including your statement

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Armi San Marco was it's own company until 2002 when it went out of business. The Tucker & Sherrards were made in the 1978-1979+ time frame. There were 400 cased sets made that had T prefixed serial numbers. There were also some individual revolvers made. Since this one has a T prefix SN, somewhere along the line, the case & accessories have gone astray.
about these possibly spurious claims, and that ASM was possibly a subsidiary of Uberti marketing pistols under the ASM brand?

Awaiting your expert reply.

Sincerely,

Jim
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