The THR Walker Club - Page 109

GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL · October 5, 2010, 07:52 PM

There is a point (you'll find it) where the wedge goes in far enough to keep everything pinned in place and yet will not stick out far enough to hinder the ride in and out of the leather and cause a bind and the leaving of a groove in the leather....

hardway · October 5, 2010, 08:17 PM

OK, thanks again for the input guys, I really appreciate the help of those more knowledgeable than myself.

mykeal: when I measure the barrel groove, can I do it from either end of the barrel?

And when measuring the chamber, is that the diameter of the inside of the forcing cone at it widest or narrowest diameter?

GotC: I don't have a holster yet, so I haven't had a chance to test it out yet in that capacity, but I can see where I might want the wedge pushed through just a bit more. As it is now though, I can't see daylight between the forcing cone and the cylinder, even just pushing the wedge in hand tight.

razorback1010 · October 7, 2010, 01:15 PM

Hi there. It's been quite a long time, but a lenghty tour in Afghanistan was all it took to keep me away from my favorite toy. Anyway, I'm back home, and my Walker will shortly start roaring. It is now a modified Walker, with a catch for the lever. After seeing a picture of an original sold around $420,000 last year with a catch on, I thought "what the hell..." and decided to do the same on my Uberti. Guess what : it won't fall between shots !
Here is a couple picture :

hardway · October 7, 2010, 01:55 PM

OK guys, finally resorted to cell phone for pics, they turned out pretty good!

Walker and best book ever, plus knife

Beat up forcing cone

Another angle

Please advise on the effect of the dinged forcing cone on accuracy, I want to shoot this bad boy, but not if I'm going to return it.

If I can smooth it out with negligible effect on accuracy, I'll go that route.

Thanks again for the help fellas.

Oyeboten · October 7, 2010, 08:26 PM

Hi hardway,

Far as I know...

As long as the diameter of the Forcing Cone indeed tapers as it goes in, all should be well if there are a few little dings on it's outside edge.

The Ball or other projectile still has to squish down a little passing through the Forcing Cone, and if it were even effected by the Dings, it would iron out just fine as it heads into the Barrel.

If it were mine, I would probably take a fine wide File, and very carefully make one very light Pass to remove anything proud in the long axis...and, m-a-y-b-e, reach for a large Countersink, and just to a tiny kiss to make a minute bevel which would eliminate the dings in the immediate inside edge...just to be satisfied with that detail.

As it is, and left be, I do not believe it would in any way detract from accuracy or anything else.

Hezekiah · October 7, 2010, 08:36 PM

Here is a pic of my Uberti Walker, with my Mexican babe representing for the opposition

hardway · October 7, 2010, 10:53 PM

Good news Oyeboten, thanks for the feedback. The taper from the forcing cone the to barrel is looks great, just the edge is dinged. I'd much rather do a little tuning myself, than send her back and wait for another, maybe equally dinged replacement.

Every thing else, mechanically, is really nice with this gun. The action feels smooth and strong, and the cylinder mates up real tight with the barrel. I've read about shimming to try to tighten up the gap between the forcing cone and the cylinder, I definitely don't have to worry about that with this pistol.

I will report back with targets!

Nice dog (and Walker!) Hezakiah.

ClemBert · October 7, 2010, 10:59 PM

Good lookin' hardware fellas! Now go make SMOKE!

Hezekiah · October 8, 2010, 07:51 PM

Thanks Hardway! I got lucky with this one. The Walker is so smooth, no wedge problems and nice and tight! I love how gigantic the gun is. Pictures just do not tell the half of it. Can't wait to post some targets! Good shootin, all!

ClemBert · October 11, 2010, 09:27 PM

Converted my Walker to shoot the .45 BPM cartridge!

.45 BPM (left) .45 Colt (right)

Olmontanaboy · October 11, 2010, 10:12 PM

Converted my Walker to shoot the .45 BPM cartridge!

Wow! what is this .45 BPM cartridge of which you speak?

ClemBert · October 11, 2010, 10:26 PM

Ooops, sorry....you can read more about it here.

scrat · October 16, 2010, 04:51 PM

ya ya ya we hate you still clembert
hahahha

man i want that cylinder. next summers project

StrawHat · October 17, 2010, 06:42 AM

Quote:

ClemBert ...Converted my Walker to shoot the .45 BPM cartridge!

Finally, a cartridge that makes sense in a 4 1/2 pound revolver!

Steven Youngblood · October 17, 2010, 09:35 AM

Will that cylinder handle a 60 grain charge?
I would love to do a cylinder conversion for my walker, just not for a 45 grain charge, that is why we have walkers instead of the SAA.

ClemBert · October 17, 2010, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Youngblood

Will that cylinder handle a 60 grain charge?
I would love to do a cylinder conversion for my walker, just not for a 45 grain charge, that is why we have walkers instead of the SAA.

Let me answer this a couple of ways. First, the Uberti cap-n-ball cylinder will handle a 60 grain charge. However, there are some reports that numerous loads at 60 grains the wedge or arbor will not take the repeated pounding. It isn't clear to me if the folks that had problems with crushed wedges were reporting on ASM Walkers or older Uberti Walkers rather than newer ones.

Regarding the Kirst cylinder my gunsmith had a direct conversation with Walt Kirst specific to this project and was told that the cylinder will handle 60 grains. However, we are still left with the issue of the wedge/arbor and that is why it could very well be silly to attempt to fire a 250 grain projectile with 60 grains of BP in a Walker revolver. One final note, it is doubtful that Walt Kirst would condone my project. There is of course the liability issue and the chance that someone could/would attempt a projectile/load combination that would be dangerous. This isn't any different than Uberti recommending a load of 25 grains of BP in a Walker even though we know it can handle more than that.

SC_Slowhand · October 17, 2010, 01:29 PM

Clembert

That is some piece of work. Thanks for posting the information and pictures.

Foto Joe · October 17, 2010, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClemBert

However, there are some reports that numerous loads at 60 grains the wedge or arbor will not take the repeated pounding. It isn't clear to me if the folks that had problems with crushed wedges were reporting on ASM Walkers or older Uberti Walkers rather than newer ones.

I found out the hard way that it doesn't necessarily take 60gr of powder to damage a Walker. My ASM wound up with a hammered arbor from loading 50gr repeatedly. There is a possibility that at some point in time it was fired with the wedge not as tight as it should have been. I can tell you that the slot in the arbor was the victim though, not the wedge. This was a gun which I got on GB, and fired probably a hundred times, then traded to someone with more gunsmithing ability than me.

ClemBert · October 17, 2010, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foto Joe

My ASM wound up with a hammered arbor from loading 50gr repeatedly.

Yup, that is a common complaint I've heard about ASM Walkers. That is, with 50-60 grain loads damage occurs. I haven't heard this complaint with newer Uberti Walkers. However, that just could mean that no one is brave enough to try it out. I am aware of at least one person with an Uberti Walker who fires 60 grains regularly without any damage.

razorback1010 · October 18, 2010, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClemBert

Yup, that is a common complaint I've heard about ASM Walkers. That is, with 50-60 grain loads damage occurs. I haven't heard this complaint with newer Uberti Walkers. However, that just could mean that no one is brave enough to try it out. I am aware of at least one person with an Uberti Walker who fires 60 grains regularly without any damage.

I regularly shoot 50 grains with pickett bullets or 60 grains with round balls without side effects in my Uberti (apart from some heavy fouling after the fourth cylinder !)

Pyro · October 18, 2010, 10:00 AM

After reading through this thread, it's safe to say that I really want one of these bad now.
You guys suck

Foto Joe · October 18, 2010, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pyro

You guys suck

We Suck???
Come on now isn't that a little harsh?? It really isn't our fault you know, it's a sickness. An addiction some might say and we really can't help ourselves. You might consider being a little more compassionate, who knows, someday you might be controlled by the same obsession.

razorback1010 · October 18, 2010, 12:11 PM

An illness ? Gosh, I had no idea ! Why am I then feeling so good when my neighbors at the shooting range nearly tumble over from the blast of the beast ?

razorback1010 · October 18, 2010, 12:40 PM

Just for the fun of it :
myself and a few of my toys :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-u0V1hFAUU

And a picture I like :

Hezekiah · October 18, 2010, 04:16 PM

Razor....I have a man crush on your Walker! That is an AWESOME photo braddah!!!!
Hez

October 7, 2010, 01:15 PM	#2703
razorback1010 Member Join Date: March 10, 2008 Location: France Posts: 116	Hi there. It's been quite a long time, but a lenghty tour in Afghanistan was all it took to keep me away from my favorite toy. Anyway, I'm back home, and my Walker will shortly start roaring. It is now a modified Walker, with a catch for the lever. After seeing a picture of an original sold around $420,000 last year with a catch on, I thought "what the hell..." and decided to do the same on my Uberti. Guess what : it won't fall between shots ! Here is a couple picture : __________________ If you run, you'll only die tired Last edited by razorback1010; October 7, 2010 at 01:55 PM.

October 7, 2010, 01:55 PM	#2704
hardway Member Join Date: October 1, 2010 Location: California Posts: 29	Pics, finally! OK guys, finally resorted to cell phone for pics, they turned out pretty good! Walker and best book ever, plus knife Beat up forcing cone Another angle Please advise on the effect of the dinged forcing cone on accuracy, I want to shoot this bad boy, but not if I'm going to return it. If I can smooth it out with negligible effect on accuracy, I'll go that route. Thanks again for the help fellas. Last edited by hardway; October 7, 2010 at 10:18 PM.

October 7, 2010, 10:53 PM	#2707
hardway Member Join Date: October 1, 2010 Location: California Posts: 29	Good news Oyeboten, thanks for the feedback. The taper from the forcing cone the to barrel is looks great, just the edge is dinged. I'd much rather do a little tuning myself, than send her back and wait for another, maybe equally dinged replacement. Every thing else, mechanically, is really nice with this gun. The action feels smooth and strong, and the cylinder mates up real tight with the barrel. I've read about shimming to try to tighten up the gap between the forcing cone and the cylinder, I definitely don't have to worry about that with this pistol. I will report back with targets! Nice dog (and Walker!) Hezakiah. Last edited by hardway; October 7, 2010 at 11:07 PM.

October 11, 2010, 10:12 PM	#2711
Olmontanaboy Member Join Date: May 14, 2009 Location: Northeast for now Posts: 201	Converted my Walker to shoot the .45 BPM cartridge! Wow! what is this .45 BPM cartridge of which you speak? __________________ Olmontanaboy No good deed goes unpunished. A loaded gun, a faithful dog,,, consider yourself lucky.

October 16, 2010, 04:51 PM	#2713
scrat Member Join Date: January 27, 2007 Location: Monrovia, CA Posts: 6,882	ya ya ya we hate you still clembert hahahha man i want that cylinder. next summers project __________________ *MOLON LABE*

October 5, 2010, 07:52 PM	#2701
GENTLEMAN OF THE CHARCOAL Member. Join Date: January 9, 2008 Posts: 1,632	There is a point (you'll find it) where the wedge goes in far enough to keep everything pinned in place and yet will not stick out far enough to hinder the ride in and out of the leather and cause a bind and the leaving of a groove in the leather....

October 5, 2010, 08:17 PM	#2702
hardway Member Join Date: October 1, 2010 Location: California Posts: 29	OK, thanks again for the input guys, I really appreciate the help of those more knowledgeable than myself. mykeal: when I measure the barrel groove, can I do it from either end of the barrel? And when measuring the chamber, is that the diameter of the inside of the forcing cone at it widest or narrowest diameter? GotC: I don't have a holster yet, so I haven't had a chance to test it out yet in that capacity, but I can see where I might want the wedge pushed through just a bit more. As it is now though, I can't see daylight between the forcing cone and the cylinder, even just pushing the wedge in hand tight.

October 7, 2010, 08:26 PM	#2705
Oyeboten Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Posts: 3,696	Hi hardway, Far as I know... As long as the diameter of the Forcing Cone indeed tapers as it goes in, all should be well if there are a few little dings on it's outside edge. The Ball or other projectile still has to squish down a little passing through the Forcing Cone, and if it were even effected by the Dings, it would iron out just fine as it heads into the Barrel. If it were mine, I would probably take a fine wide File, and very carefully make one very light Pass to remove anything proud in the long axis...and, m-a-y-b-e, reach for a large Countersink, and just to a tiny kiss to make a minute bevel which would eliminate the dings in the immediate inside edge...just to be satisfied with that detail. As it is, and left be, I do not believe it would in any way detract from accuracy or anything else.

October 7, 2010, 10:59 PM	#2708
ClemBert Member Join Date: April 12, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,105	Good lookin' hardware fellas! Now go make SMOKE!

October 8, 2010, 07:51 PM	#2709
Hezekiah Member Join Date: August 19, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 36	Thanks Hardway! I got lucky with this one. The Walker is so smooth, no wedge problems and nice and tight! I love how gigantic the gun is. Pictures just do not tell the half of it. Can't wait to post some targets! Good shootin, all!

October 11, 2010, 09:27 PM	#2710
ClemBert Member Join Date: April 12, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,105	Converted my Walker to shoot the .45 BPM cartridge! .45 BPM (left) .45 Colt (right)

October 11, 2010, 10:26 PM	#2712
ClemBert Member Join Date: April 12, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,105	Ooops, sorry....you can read more about it here.

October 17, 2010, 09:35 AM	#2715
Steven Youngblood Member Join Date: October 4, 2008 Posts: 164	Will that cylinder handle a 60 grain charge? I would love to do a cylinder conversion for my walker, just not for a 45 grain charge, that is why we have walkers instead of the SAA.

October 17, 2010, 01:29 PM	#2717
SC_Slowhand Member Join Date: July 12, 2010 Location: Irmo,South Carolina Posts: 200	Clembert That is some piece of work. Thanks for posting the information and pictures.

October 18, 2010, 10:00 AM	#2721
Pyro Member Join Date: August 22, 2010 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 960	After reading through this thread, it's safe to say that I really want one of these bad now. You guys suck

October 18, 2010, 12:11 PM	#2723
razorback1010 Member Join Date: March 10, 2008 Location: France Posts: 116	An illness ? Gosh, I had no idea ! Why am I then feeling so good when my neighbors at the shooting range nearly tumble over from the blast of the beast ? __________________ If you run, you'll only die tired

October 18, 2010, 12:40 PM	#2724
razorback1010 Member Join Date: March 10, 2008 Location: France Posts: 116	Just for the fun of it : myself and a few of my toys : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-u0V1hFAUU And a picture I like : __________________ If you run, you'll only die tired Last edited by razorback1010; October 18, 2010 at 01:33 PM.

October 18, 2010, 04:16 PM	#2725
Hezekiah Member Join Date: August 19, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 36	Razor....I have a man crush on your Walker! That is an AWESOME photo braddah!!!! Hez