The THR Walker Club

[Walker 47]

You are fanning a Walker!??

You are talking about holding the gun with the trigger held back in one hand, and slapping the hammer back repeatedly with the other??

Fanning breaks things on any gun you do it to...they only did that crap in the movies!
Italian parts, (even Uberti) cannot stand up long to that abuse!

There may be a combination of problems inside that gun if you have been fanning it much; the hand spring as previously pointed out, the base of the hand where it fits into the hammer could be galled or otherwise damaged, the bolt contact with the hammer and the cam on the hammer could even be messed up..Not to mention the rear of the cylinder where the hand contacts the teeth.
Parts will start bending or being damaged each time you fan it!

My guess is that you will have to take the gun completely apart and inspect the internals for any damage. Be advised that any of the replacement parts that you get from these companys,(VTI is an excellent source) will need some fitting or your timing will be off.

Oh yeah, and one more thing...stop fanning it!

Let me know what you find out.

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Also you need to post a picture of your WALKER

[StrawHat]

Walker 47 ...Fanning breaks things on any gun you do it to...they only did that crap in the movies!...

Don't let Ed McGivern know that! While he stated it was not a great technique, he proved it could be done and done accurately.

[Walker 47]

OK........If I could...But he was One of a Kind!

[kBob]

Mule Ears

HOW?

Both the Walker Carbine and the "but Dear I got it for the kids" .31/.22 conversion.

All look great!

-kBob
(Still can't join as I missed another one.)

[WALKERs210]

Max load in my Walker question. Last outing I was loading 40 g of Trip 7 with excellent results. I have read that the Walker could handle up to 60 g of powder, so before going out today I removed the cylinder and started test loads to measure depth so I didn't wind up with either a gap between powder and ball or having so much load the ball will not clear. First load was with 50g of 3F BP with a pre-lubed felt wad just pressed in by hand with a 3/8" dowel. The remaining space was around .450. I know that it would most likely compress but don't see that 60 g would ever allow a ball to seated at all. Either my powder measures are way off or the 3F BP is to course (doubt that) Any ideas or comments.

[arcticap]

My first idea would be to use the rammer to really compress the powder as much as possible, needed or desired, to eliminate as much air space within the powder charge as possible.
If the purpose is to try to fit a certain amount of powder into the chamber, then dag nab it find a way to squeeze it in.

My second idea would be not to try to compress a felt wad if using one eliminates too much space for the targeted powder charge. Try using a very thin card wad or eliminate using a wad entirely even if that means loading only one chamber until it can be determined how much powder can actually be fitted into it.

Another idea would be to actually weigh the black powder charge as a means of checking the accuracy of the volumetric measuring device.

And lastly, since the end purpose of trying to load 60 grains of powder in the first place is to either produce a theoretical maximum velocity or to replicate the historically correct loads used back in the day, then why not simply use the volumetric equivalent loads using either Swiss or Pyrodex P which are both about 10% faster powders, or using 15% - 20% less of 777 ffg or fffg as instructed by the manufacturer. That way a person doesn't actually need to load the full 60 grains of powder in order to replicate the velocity of the historically correct loads.

One simply needs to ask themself what's the point of loading the 60 grains of modern Goex? If it's to replicate a historically correct velocity, then there are other ways to accomplish that.
But if the purpose is simply to load 60 grains of black powder, then either squeeze it in or switch to Swiss and make the volumetric adjustment. I believe that the Swiss powder is considerably more potent than most any black powder that was used back in the day. In that way, the historical correctness of using real black powder can still be maintained without necessarily actually loading 60 grains of black powder.
So what's the point of loading 60 grains of black powder going to be, to produce a historically correct velocity or to produce a maximum velocity? And the next question to ask would be what's the best, or most realistic, or only way to accomplish that intended purpose?

Originally Posted by WALKERs210

Either my powder measures are way off or the 3F BP is to course (doubt that)

I don't want to belabor the point about ramming and really compressing the powder charge in order to try to make 60 grains fit. But where on this green earth does it state that the capacity of a Walker chamber was intended to be
60 grains of uncrushed fffg?

[WALKERs210]

Arcticap thanks for the info, the loading of 60g is just something I wanted to "give a go of". I didn't stop to think that in the day felt wads were probably not used. Today when I removed the cylinder to see just how much I could fit in it looked like 45g 3F BP using the felt wad is about all that can go in. At 40 to 45 g of powder is more enough for what I do, shooting paper, scrap wood and once in a while a rouge Pepsi Can. ( hate having to clean up my shooting area of garbage, paper and wood just goes back to nature).

But where on this green earth does it state that the capacity of a Walker chamber was intended to be

I have done some detailed search for info and the only discussion I have found about 60g was more or less just comments that you can take or leave and most time I leave it.
Thanks again

[razorback1010]

As far as my walker is concerned, here are a few measures :
round ball H&N .457 cal, 55 gr Swiss n°1, CCI n°11 cap, homemade grease. 12 shots without cleaning. All speeds measured in m/s (sorry, I'm French, we don't use imperial here)
394.2-385.8-391.5-387.6-381.8-386.4-401.3-396.3-399.8-396-387.5-388.9. Average speed 391.4 m/s, Standard variation 6.6.
Walker 48 gn Swiss n°1-Picket bullet 180 gr
398.4 404.2 407.1 399.5 408.5 406.3 415.3 416.1 409 413.6 414.9 417.1
These are the maximum loads my chambers accept leaving enough room to seat a bullet. With the Picket bullet, I think I might be able to load an extra 2 gr just to say I reached 50 gr. 60 gr is the full capacity of the chamber but without room for any kind of bullet. So the famed 60 gr load may have been a commercial bragging from Colt (who was very canny and one of the first businessman to grasp the concept of marketing) or a misunderstanding or misreading of the original technical specs or our modern replicas have chambers a little shorter than the original model (to stay on the safe side ?).

[WALKERs210]

Razorback, thanks for the data. I had started taking measurements just to make sure that I didn't leave an air gap between ball and powder. In my lifetime I have been stabbed, shot, and hit by fragments. And yes they hurt like heck, and I don't intend to do anything that would add another one to the list especially by me not doing something right or really something dumb. I could write a book on what not to do!

[razorback1010]

Actually, the air gap in a revolver cylinder is no big deal and can't really do harm. In a single shot weapon, where you can have a lot of space between powder and bullet, it's an altogether very different story. But to stay on the safe side (again), it is recommanded not to leave any gap between powder and bullet, even in a revolver. Instead of a wad, why don't you use a filler ?

[arcticap]

Originally Posted by razorback1010

As far as my walker is concerned, here are a few measures :
round ball H&N .457 cal, 55 gr Swiss n°1, CCI n°11 cap, homemade grease. 12 shots without cleaning. All speeds measured in m/s (sorry, I'm French, we don't use imperial here) Average speed 391.4 m/s, Standard variation 6.6.

391.4 meters per second = 1,284.12073 feet per second.

Many thanks!
At least neither of us needs to convert the seconds!

[arcticap]

Here's a thought, the ball should fit even if loading with more powder if some millimeters were shaved off of the front and back of the ball to flatten it.

[razorback1010]

Originally Posted by arcticap

At least neither of us needs to convert seconds as a measurement of time!

Of that I'm not so sure, us French are such a lazy bunch with 5 to 10 weeks holidays a year, I'm not sure a French second as the same value as an American one

[sam steele]

Hi Gents,

I'm looking to purchase a cased Second Generation Colt Walker from GUNBROKER, but I have one question: Is the upper serial number range for the Second Generation 4120? This pistol for sale is serial #4707. Kinda has me wondering. It's not a Signature Series with the grip strap signed.

Many thanks,

Bill

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[sam steele]

Hello Gents,

My latest Walker, by Colt. A Second Generation.

Soon I'll show you the pics of the case presently being made for it, an exact copy of the only verified one (civilian) in existence.

Cheers,

Bill

[sam steele]

.................Gonna have a hard time finding a bullet mould, powder flask and nipple wrench without "Made in Italy" on 'em!

Cheers,

Bill

[messerist]

Nice find Sam. I may have a 2nd Gen Dragoon coming for Christmas! MIL in Orlando asked what I wanted for Christmas and I did some Googling and found a NIB Dragoon at a gun shop near here. I non-chalantly mentioned it to her and she said she would drop in and have a look!! It is nice having a MIL who is a knife and gun nut!

[junkman_01]

Do you think your MIL would adopt me?

[andrewstorm]

I am a fan of any handgun that takes a 60 gr load,and i would have owned one if the Nazi pawnshop owner would have sold it to me,he said the atf told him to require a 4473 and ncic check on any sale of a percussion revolver,I pass the redneck check,having no criminal record, but the principal of it stoped me from a purchase from him,a pawn in the fight to disarm americans,injustice anywhere ls a threat to justice everywhere .even sam steele can own one in ontario (or does he need a card)and i thought there was a ban on hand guns there in ontario

[sam steele]

Well, in Canada any black powder revolver such as the Walker is classed as a "restricted weapon", and is treated the same as a Colt .45. If anything, buying a Colt-made Walker from the U.S. (which I am in the process of doing now) creates more paperwork than I have to do up here. Three weeks, and the Walker is in my hands buying it here. I have spent thirteen months to wait for a USFA Single Action Army to get here from Connecticutt.....and the delay is from the U.S. side, not from ours.

Cheers, and a Merry Christmas to all!

[Steven Youngblood]

That is sad, I just walked into the hardware store here and ploped down the money and off we went.
Where are you that it requires paperwork to buy a black powder gun?

[arcticap]

It's not a law, it's being required by that individual pawn shop owner.
One of my local gun shops now requires that an FFL form be filled out when buying a muzzle loader even though it's not required by any law and he doesn't do any background check either. He just wants it for his records in case there is any problem resulting from the sale. He wants to know who he is selling it to and in some way he must figure that he's covering for any business liability.
Considering that my gun shop owner is a good guy and has the right to ask for the form to be filled out or to refuse any sale for any reason, and because it's a simple request that doesn't cost me any blood and it's his ink, then I just cooperate with him so that he will sell me any BP gun that's in his shop that I want to buy.

[mykeal]

andrew's just patronizing the wrong store; they're either stupid or they want the data for their own use and aren't telling the truth. There hasn't been any such requirement in Michigan for several years. Just go somewhere else - no need to lose it.