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Old June 15, 2013, 08:26 AM   #3526
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A 'marketing ploy'? Seriously? That's a bit fanciful, don't you think? You need to present evidence into Colt's and Ormsby's thinking to support supposition regarding their motivation, not a bunch of musings about historical events. It's a bit of a leap from details of who wore what and when to the reasoning behind sales decisions.

My thoughts? You're way off base.
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Old June 15, 2013, 10:12 AM   #3527
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MYKEAL:
My ruminations are simply a a hypothesis to spur spirited discussion to see if anyone else has actually noticed this historical inaccuracy and if anyone has an explanation based on fact, or even fancy, as to why the Walker cylinders were engraved in this manner. My hypothesis may be indeed fanciful, as you say, but I would invite you proffer you own ideas, thus the reason for my interrogatory post.

If Mr. Colt told Mr. Ormsby, I want an engraving plate that shows a bunch of soldiers on horseback fighting Indians with my revolvers, then so be it. What the engraving plate does not show is Texas Rangers on horseback fighting Indians.
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Old June 15, 2013, 10:29 AM   #3528
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I like that idea..."a version of the truth". Very good my friend. I am actually quite surprised this observation has not been broached before or elsewhere on the various boards. Most online and print references simply say the cylinder engravings depict Texas Rangers fighting Comanches, or US Army Cavalry fighting Comanches. Neither depictions are entirely accurate....thus as you say "....a version of truth".
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Old June 15, 2013, 09:37 PM   #3529
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My ideas? My understanding (not 'ideas', but rather 'understanding', if you get the difference) of the historical record I've read is that Waterman Lilly Ormsby's engravings used on Colt revolvers were for the purpose of identifying them as genuine Colts to protect against counterfeiters, rather than marketing tools.

Colt was certainly proud of Captain Hays and the Ranger's successes with the Paterson and no doubt the intent was to commemorate that battle, but it's been well known for many, many years that even original photographs taken during that period were staged and inaccurate as to actual events. To suggest that Ormsby's romanticized image was intentional for the purpose of marketing the horse pistols is a link I just cannot make.
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Old June 22, 2013, 08:23 PM   #3530
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Last Stand

I was watching Arnold Schwarzenegger's recent movie, Last Stand, last night, now that it is out on Red Box. Pretty predictable but the high light for me was that the head villain pulled out a Walker in the big shoot out scene in Sheiff Arnold's town. Cartridge conversion with unlimited ammo apparently
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Old June 25, 2013, 03:24 PM   #3531
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Sometimes us indians won the shoot out,lol.
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Old June 25, 2013, 05:27 PM   #3532
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Nice shooter, k
This weekend I picked up a nice ASM Whittington Arms Walker repro in a walnut
presentation case with accessaries, cylinder in the white. Included was Col. Whittingtons
hardback reference book on the Walker and Whitneyville
revolvers.
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Old June 25, 2013, 08:00 PM   #3533
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A Whittington Arms Walker - I'm not familiar with Whittington Arms, other than the pub in Lichfield which served an excellent bangers & mash several years ago. I also recall a book on the Whitneyville by someone named Whittington (not sure about that). What can you tell me?
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Old June 26, 2013, 03:05 AM   #3534
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Cool pic kituwa! Man, looks like the eagle that claw belonged to could have wielded a Walker!
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Old June 26, 2013, 09:07 AM   #3535
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Yes, that was a big bird, and it is a juvinile too!Actually eagles reach full size by 15 weeks though.I would guess that bird to be around two years old. It is a bald eagle and if it was a fully mature its wing feathers would be totally black.A balk eagles head gets a completely white head and totally white tail feathers at 5 years.Some get a good big larger than others but a big one will have feet as big as a mans hands.Just so everyone knows, this is from a leagle licsensed eagle from the government eagle bank where dead eagles for whatever reason, are collected by wildlife departments and sent in for cold storage and are available to native americans for cerimonial purposses or others for educational uses.The bald eagle has made a big come back, it is so great that many of us get to enjoy seeing them in the wild fairly often again! I am an old man though so it does not take a lot to thrill me these days,even seeing a chipmonk in the back yard is cool to me,lol.
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Old June 26, 2013, 09:45 AM   #3536
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kituwa,

Just this past week here in North Central Florida my son was asking me why those three big buzzards ripping up a carcass by the road had feathers on their heads......

I was a bit tickled last year when a buddy was so impressed with a bald eagle out in Montana that he sent me a picture......the day before we had seen three down here, one sitting on a tree about fifty yards from the driveway.

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Old June 27, 2013, 07:48 AM   #3537
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Not to hijack the thread but the Bald Eagle is making a comeback here in Ohio also. There are now reported to be six breeding pair in the Cuyahoga Valley National Park. My wife and I see them on occassion when we walk there.
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Old July 1, 2013, 07:18 PM   #3538
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Hi folks!

Last Saturday, a band of French furious shooting brothers, living in Paris and around, had a meeting at the range for a “Walker Party“.

Eight members (and I) from our black powder forum, The Hyperion Gentlemen's Club, came and they each brought their Walker Revolving Pistol and had a nice shooting party with them:

The loading tables:




In the foreground, you can notice a homemade “BabyWalker“



A band of French furious shooting brothers





And follow this link in order to see six guys shooting their Walker together:

http://youtu.be/sRZXbOBWpTI

The noise is not so loud because they didn't use *full loads…

For the future, we plan such another sessions…

That's all, folks! (for the time being…)

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Old July 1, 2013, 07:42 PM   #3539
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Enhabdec,
Very cool pictures of you and your friends. I have never seen that many Walker revolvers together before.
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Old July 26, 2013, 04:43 PM   #3540
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I have never seen that many Walker revolvers together before.

Yeah I haven't either.

Thank you for sharing!
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Old August 14, 2013, 03:53 PM   #3541
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I hate to say it, but I need to part with my Uberti Walker

WTS Post is here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=725635

I will be getting another one down the line! Such a fun gun to shoot, nothin' quite like it
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Old August 31, 2013, 06:37 PM   #3542
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Just bought this Walker today to go with my snubnose Walker. $140 seemed like a decent enough deal. Not sure who made it. It says "SM Black Powder Only Cal. 44 Made In Italy"
My instinct is telling me Armi San Marco but I thought those were labeled "ASM" and not simpy "SM".
Anyway, I'm going to grind that unsightly roll mark off along with the proof marks and age it so it looks more like the snubnosed Uberti.





So I've got two Walkers now, when am I going to be added to the list here? Or maybe I'm just not seeing my name on there.
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Old September 1, 2013, 07:17 AM   #3543
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(Thought I had posted this photo but I guess not.)

Got this long barreled Walker a while ago to go along with my short Mort.



Both revolvers were imported by Replica Arms (Marietta, Ohio) and manufactured by ASM. Not much weight difference but a lot of difference in the way they handle.

That's about the long and short of it.

JohhnyC, your new one, if marked SM, was indeed manufactured by Armi San Marco. They used a couple of diffarenet touch marks over the years when they were in business.
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Old September 30, 2013, 09:02 AM   #3544
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Slightly off topic and a somewhat long shot (??) Does anyone out there happen to have a Uberti Baby Dragoon squareback triggerguard they don't need? Uberti seem to have discontinued the Baby Dragoon and VTI no longer have the squareback triggerguards.
Mine has a round guard but would like to fit a squareback as on the originals.
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Old September 30, 2013, 02:55 PM   #3545
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Don't know why I've never visited this thread, but put me down as a member too! I have an Uberti.
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Old October 1, 2013, 08:30 AM   #3546
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Pictures!?!?! Yeah, I know, it looks like a Walker!
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Old October 21, 2013, 07:49 AM   #3547
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Hello THR Walker Club

Here's my Uberti touching off 60 grains of FFg Holy Black, 457 Round Ball and a Wonder Wad underneath. 60 fits fine with a RB, of course it has the powder right up level with the top of the cylinder, so the wad and ball need ever-so-careful balancing so as not to lose any powder before crunching the ball down.

I mostly use 50-55 grains and don't fire 60 all the time, just now and again, it's addictive tho'

I found 457 balls definitely more accurate.

I call this my F-word gun, as the other shooters nearby, no matter how much warning you give them, will make F-words first time she speaks..Everyone wants a go. They get a go.



I found her lying uncared-for and abandoned in the corner of the bottom shelf of a local dealer. It gets worse... stored uncleaned since last firing, unforgivable... and I had a lot of work freeing rusted nipples and rust from the hammer and hammer curve on the frame. But thankfully, the bluing did it's job and remained perfect. When the rust was removed and after a new set of nipples, hard to tell from new.

Looking forward to trying the Lee RN boolit next, though RBs are very accurate as is.

I am in the UK. We have stupid, malevolent gun laws, but we can shoot 'em
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Old October 21, 2013, 08:48 AM   #3548
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Welcome to the forum and the club.
Great first post!
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Old October 22, 2013, 07:21 AM   #3549
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Let's see if I can get this to work, one of them 'animated gifs' - bring this to life, sure my club won't mind me posting this, damn I LOVE this gun!!



Edit

Mine shoots near a foot high at 25 Yards with RB loads. I filed down the Hammer to bring the level of the rear-sight horizontal some as:



Here is the new sight picture, with a dab of blacking, hard to even see anything was done



I'll test how closer the balls hit when I next hit the range for final tweaks.

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Old October 22, 2013, 01:21 PM   #3550
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Sixty,
Is that an indoor range? They must have a great ventillation system.
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