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Old April 23, 2009, 01:14 AM   #1201
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This is not for the faint at heart, and may cause some to acquire a stomach ache.


Ask and Ye Shall Receive. The L.R.E. with cylinder in the White:


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Old April 23, 2009, 01:24 AM   #1202
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And especially for Scrat, we are pleased to present the sought after case hardened bipod model, with cylinder correctly in the White:

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Old April 23, 2009, 01:36 AM   #1203
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On a serious note, were any of the recent production Colt generation Walkers manufactured with cylinders in the white, and if so, why not the entire production run in keeping with "originality"? I know that the America Remembers Commemoratives are in the white and thought I read somewhere that some, not all, of the Signature Series were sold with white cylinders.

I have a Uberti that I removed the cylinder blue on (with Vinegar) and I love it. When compared to my second generation Colt Walker which is still 100% blued, the Uberti actually looks pretty good to me. It took a bit for me to get used to it but I do like the white cylinder. I have no desire to remove the blue on my unfired Colt Walker. Even though "original" 1847 Colt Walkers were white, I am leaving my "original second generation Colt" alone for value reasons.
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Old April 23, 2009, 01:36 AM   #1204
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YES, YES,YES,YES, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just as I envisioned it with a proper in the white cylinder and a case hardened bipod Sorry Stan Just kidding bud
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Old April 23, 2009, 01:40 AM   #1205
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hahahahahhaha i love it truely love it
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Old April 23, 2009, 01:45 AM   #1206
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Even though the bipod almost looks like a WWII German "Fleck" camo pattern, it is case hardening. (I need to have a meeting with my PhotoShop graphics department (that would be me) about this unintended similarity ).
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Old April 23, 2009, 02:03 AM   #1207
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The correct "in the white" cylinders didn't go over very well with most buyers who didn't have a clue about the history of the revolver. Thus after turning out a few, the makers begain blueing cylinders so they'd "look right." I'm aware of several replicas that were made the way they were supposed to be, rather then the way they really were.

While reproduction cap & ball revolvers (as well as other black powder arms) seem to be increasing in popularity, it seems to me that very few spend much time learning about they're background, beyond watching Clint Eastwood movies. The movies are fun, but accurate history they ain't.
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Old April 23, 2009, 02:10 AM   #1208
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Seeing as how we are talking about the history of the Walker. Does anyone have a pic of the original comnical that was used in them? I had heard part fo the porblem (possibly) was that when loaded the conical was turned backwards which perhaps caused undo pressure int the cylinder and caused it to cut loose. Is there any thuth to this?
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Old April 23, 2009, 03:22 AM   #1209
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Old Fuff – I am not going to take issue on your comments above but there is a bright side to the street.

I was drawn to the Sphag Westerns by the guns. When ‘Fistful of Dollars’ came out I was fascinated by the initial posters for the film and this odd looking gun being brandished. I thought that for once we may see what it was really like.

This was at a time when I was totally fed up with unlimited ammo movie guns, clean ‘shoulder wounds’ that could be taken without a flinch, and my knowledge extended to a probable conviction that there were two kinds of gun in America between flintlocks and 1900 – the Colt Peacemaker and the Winchester rifle!
It was this film, and its successors, that really drew me into a profound interest in the cap and ball revolvers – and a great deal of pleasure with the huge range and amount of learning that one may become immersed in.

Sure, historical accuracy may be out of whack somewhat (maybe a lottawhat) but I think we can all agree that those movies did do a great deal to put the early weapons (at least in context) more as a requirement for responsible films.

Leone (IMHO) did well and just got better. If you stop-frame the Josey Wales movie as I have done there is a huge range of period replica weapons that should have been there but did not have to be. A cowboy gun in a film is just that and who would notice?

Now people do notice and I think period film making has benefited greatly from it – and hence does excite interest and perhaps further involvement from some of the audience. That has to assist in that important historical heritage not being lost but rather continues to be enjoyed.

It is particularly interesting how some of the film studios cut huge amounts of footage from finished films to tailor them to the perceived market – and yet left minutes of footage in of just assembling, reassembling, and loading the weapons which added little to the storyline – but a great deal to the depth of the films.

Of particular note to me (not about films) was the first time I fired a C & B – a ’58 Rem New Army. It belonged to a very gruff and hulking mate and he insisted that I learnt all about the weapon, loading etc (also cleaning it when we were done). This was not on any pristine club range but out in the bush.

I asked him why he owned and used such an arm. He gazed levelly back at me and said “I can get immersed in the romance of them”. I could understand that very well!

That was a while ago and these days I am less overawed with Eastwoods ’51 Navy and instead am playing around with Walkers!
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Old April 23, 2009, 10:42 AM   #1210
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Why don't ya'll get some bluing back on that cylinder where it'll 'look right'? Probably the only reason they were ever made 'in the white' to start with was because Mr. Colt either ran out of bluing and didn't know how to make anymore or it hadn't been invented yet. I notice that after they started using some bluing they have never looked back. Well, that's how things alway go. Someone will come up with a good idea and then someone else will improve on it. Walker and Colt got together and came up with a pretty good idea for that revolver. But aaahhhh!!.. It was up to Mr. Uberti himself to come along and turn their idea into utter perfection.
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Old April 23, 2009, 11:09 AM   #1211
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WHAT IS THIS… ! Some lowly members are actually daring to question the His Most Omnipotent Excellency, the Venerated Old Fuff? Outrageous!!! Off with their heads… !!

Well maybe not. Actually the Over-The-Hill Gent and our Member-From-Down- Under have brought up some good points, and rather then sulk in the corner the Old Fuff will have to defend his position. But that will require a long post that will take time to put together. So hold your horses and a bit down the road the battle will be joined. All in good fun of course…
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Old April 23, 2009, 11:26 AM   #1212
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On a serious note, were any of the recent production Colt generation Walkers manufactured with cylinders in the white, and if so, why not the entire production run in keeping with "originality"? I know that the America Remembers Commemoratives are in the white and thought I read somewhere that some, not all, of the Signature Series were sold with white cylinders.

I have a Uberti that I removed the cylinder blue on (with Vinegar) and I love it. When compared to my second generation Colt Walker which is still 100% blued, the Uberti actually looks pretty good to me. It took a bit for me to get used to it but I do like the white cylinder. I have no desire to remove the blue on my unfired Colt Walker. Even though "original" 1847 Colt Walkers were white, I am leaving my "original second generation Colt" alone for value reasons.
My 2nd gen Colt Walker has a raw cylinder. I'm not the original owner but the cylinder sure looks original, but I guess it could have been striped.
All the documentation I have says they are blue from Colt. They sure look better in the raw.
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Old April 23, 2009, 12:35 PM   #1213
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Does anyone have a pic of the original comnical that was used in them?
Here's a picture previously posted by mec from post #14 in the following thread (which also includes velocity data):

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...=picket+bullet


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Bullets include original form picket bullet from dixie mould and some Civil war surplus bullets in the 240-246 grain range. These were for the later dragoons.

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Old April 23, 2009, 01:11 PM   #1214
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Old Fuff, good morning. I love you ol' man and I certainly look forward with anticipation toward your forth coming disertation. 14th Alabama CSA.
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Old April 23, 2009, 01:45 PM   #1215
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NobleSniper:

Concerning your bullet question:

I'll try to find more/better information, but I am under the impression that bullets (as opposed to balls) were usually used in combustible paper cartridges. Note how they are heeled at the back in the above picture. The revolvers usually came with a double-cavity mold that would cast one ball and one bullet. However Colt also made "gang molds" that would cast four or more bullets at a time, and they were purchased by the army.

In any event, I don't see how a paper cartridge would likely be loaded backwards, and if one was I doubt it would fire. On the other hand if a ball or bullet wasn't fully seated on the powder charge, leaving an air space between the powder and projectile, I can see a KA-BOOM! and ruptured chamber.

Did this really happen? At this point I don't know, and the above is speculation. But it's well worth looking into.
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Old April 23, 2009, 06:22 PM   #1216
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If anyone is interested there are two Walkers up om Gunbroker starting at $225.00, no reserve. I have been thinking about bidding for one. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=127235348
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Old April 23, 2009, 07:00 PM   #1217
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Thanks for the info. I cannot say how valid the info i had about the cylinders blowing up is. Just something I read a couple of months ago in my quest for Walker knowlege Finished my stand for my one lone Walker plus my second one if I ever find one. Hopefully get some pics ion the next couple of days. Thanks again. Craig
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Old April 23, 2009, 09:18 PM   #1218
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NobleSniper, Here's what I heard about the cylinders blowing up, and yes I have seen a Walker with a repaired cylinder. OK, when they sent the walkers to the troops, they sent bullet molds with them. In 1847 the round ball was the predominant load. The conical, would have had a flat solid base like the top of a wadcutter, this would look like it matched the flat face of the cylinder when loaded. When the boys got the unusual conical poured, the thought was that the pointed end was to help position the bullet for loading. Dumb? I don't know, but what was totally dumb was that they weren't issued any instructions with the guns and molds.
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Old April 23, 2009, 09:39 PM   #1219
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Old April 23, 2009, 10:13 PM   #1220
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Look at the old bullets in post #1213.

They are reduced in diameter at the back. This served two purposes.

First the reduced diameter allowed the bullet to be started into the chamber straight.

Second If one was making paper cartridges the reduced shoulder gave you a place to cement (glue) the end of the paper tube.

Bullets, sometimes called "picket balls," were well known at the time, as they were often used in muzzle loading rifles and some single-shot pistols.

Without question, shooters of that day knew which was the front end of a bullet. In addition, the end of the bullet rammer was cupped to match the nose of the bullet. Think not? Well then go look at your own Walker.
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Old April 24, 2009, 12:05 AM   #1221
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Well, I can't even wear out one Walker, and I have tried to in years gone by.
I mean I have shot it a lot. I don't mean I abused it. It's laying close to me right now, loaded and capped all around and ready to go. Hey, what am I supposed to do? Holler "Hey! Wait a minute before you break in! I'vd got to put some caps on my Walker!" I'm afraid it dosen't work that way.
People are different I reckon, Lot's of them like to collect guns and hang them on the wall or whatever, hoping people will be impressed and all. (not down talking anyone here) To me a gun is a tool. I keep them clean and well blued to protect them from corrosion and whatnot but my guns work. Not too much anymore. Not like they used to. But my frame of mind is still the same and the guns stay ready to go. I don't have too many guns but I expect I'vd got more than I can ever wear out.
I have an indian friend (actually several of them here and there) who came by my place a few weeks ago. His rifle was broken and he needed to hunt for his family. I loaned him the money to buy a rifle. I don't even know what kind he got for sure, (don't give a damn; it's just a damned ol' gun) but I know that him and his wife and daughter showed up here a couple of hours ago; paid me the money they owed me and left me a big assed deer, already gutted and skinned and ready to cut up and cook. His wife told me (she know's I'vd got sort of a bad foot) that as long as I lived here I'd never have to hunt again unless I just wanted to. (but she know's I will)
Now..That's what a gun is for. That and to protect your ass when something (four legged or two legged or crawling on it's belly or flying through the air) present's a clear and present danger. (maybe to start a fire sometimes if you're in a bad bind or just to have close to you because it bring's a little comfort and peace of mind)
But that hanging on a wall stuff, or just liking to show off to people, that may be good for some folks but it sure as hell dosen't impress me.
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Old April 24, 2009, 12:12 AM   #1222
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Yes Sir...... a unloaded firearm is a paper weight
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Old April 24, 2009, 12:14 AM   #1223
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Stan I might point out that was a real nice thing you did. Got alot of respect for that
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Old April 24, 2009, 09:21 AM   #1224
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Does anyone know of a dealer with a Uberti walker in stock, I have checked with most,Midway,Dixie, Taylor's etc. and none in stock,thanks, Willie
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Old April 24, 2009, 09:37 AM   #1225
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Call Cabela's, 1-800-237-4444....
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