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Old April 25, 2009, 05:17 PM   #1276
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I've read that the serial numbering of the original Colt Dragoon and subsequent

variants, with exception, began where Colt Walker serial numbers ended,

beginning at approximate serial number 1101.
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Old April 25, 2009, 06:55 PM   #1277
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A few pics of my Uberti Walker and the stand I built for it in the safe







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Old April 25, 2009, 07:08 PM   #1278
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That looks soooo sweet.
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Old April 25, 2009, 07:23 PM   #1279
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Thank you kindly
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Old April 25, 2009, 07:30 PM   #1280
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Hello, I am posting this pic for Old Fuff and the information below it is his as well.............

The pictured saddle holster is an example of the kind that was issued to enlisted troopers from the Mexican War, through the Civil war. The pouches varied according to the particular handguns being issued/carried, but the pattern remained the same. This one was intended to carry a Walker revolver on the right, and a Springfield model 1855 carbine-pistol on the left. The pistol was a single-shot, caplock with a 12-inch, rifled, 58-caliber barrel. When equipped with a detachable buttstock it became a substitute for a carbine. It wasn’t long before Colt offered a similar buttstock for his revolvers. In theory the buttstock made it unnecessary to also have a carbine. When two identical pistols or revolvers were carried the right and left hand pouches would be the same. A detachable hood could be added that slipped down over the holster’s pouch to cover the pistol(s) and effectively protect them from the weather and other elements. However this protection came at the cost of making it difficult to draw the guns. Thus the detachable feature so the trooper – or his commanding officer – had a choice. While surviving saddle holsters are scarce to rare, the detachable hoods are much fewer, suggesting that in some cases they were dispensed with. Colt did not advertise his largest revolvers as “Dragoons,” but rather “Holster pistols,” the name referring to saddle, not belt holsters. With the introduced of the 1860 Army, the Dragoons became the “Old Model Holster Pistol, while the 1860 was the “New Model, Holster Pistol; and yes, they were sometimes carried in saddle holsters. It may be interesting to note in light of a popular Clint Eastwood western movie, that there are no known military belt holsters that were made for the Walker. Photographs do exist that show what appear to be a Walker (or pair of Walkers) being carried in civilian rigs. Suspenders were an optional issue.

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Old April 25, 2009, 07:42 PM   #1281
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Walker wrench

Thanks for the recommendations, I will probably modify an old vise grip to prevent damaging the frame if I need some extra hands.
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Old April 25, 2009, 08:25 PM   #1282
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Noble Sniper good post thanks. Thanks also Old Fuff
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Old April 25, 2009, 08:41 PM   #1283
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Thanks but its all Old Fuff, I just pasted the info he shared with me and posted the picture
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Old April 26, 2009, 01:09 AM   #1284
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Quote Cleremont:
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I've read that the serial numbering of the original Colt Dragoon and subsequent variants, with exception, began where Colt Walker serial numbers ended, beginning at approximate serial number 1101.
Walkers (Military) - Serial # A, B, C, D, CO 1-200
Walker (Civilian) - Serial # E Co, 1-12; 1001 - 1100
Transition ( Whitneyville-Hartford Dragoon) Walker - Serial # 1101-1340
Fluck Pre-First Model Dragoon - Serial # 2216-2515
First Model Dragoon - Serial # 1341 - 4000
Second Model Dragoon - Serial # 8000 - 9600
Third Model Dragoon - Serial # 10700 - 19800
Third Model Dragoon (C series 2nd Gen) Serial # 20801 - 24501
Hartford-English Dragoon Serial # 1-700

Page 363, Colt, An American legend by R.L. Wilson
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Old April 26, 2009, 02:05 AM   #1285
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This here e club just keeps getting better every day. so much information. Keep it going guys keep it going
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Old April 26, 2009, 08:23 AM   #1286
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Mr. Wilson's book notwithstanding, Colt did not designate 1st, 2nd or 3rd Model Dragoons.
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Old April 26, 2009, 10:23 AM   #1287
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Arrrrrrrrggggggggggggg



I gotta stop hanging around this thread. I just gotta.

(the urge is just t-t-t-t-t-oooooooooooo much. N-o-o-o-o-ooo will....power left)

The Doc is ...................................
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Old April 26, 2009, 10:46 AM   #1288
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............. soon to be a Walker owner.
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Old April 26, 2009, 10:58 AM   #1289
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How could the 'carbine-pistol' be model 1855, when 1855 was at least seven years in the future?
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Old April 26, 2009, 11:25 AM   #1290
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Mr. MyKeal. Do you happen to know right off hand how it was determined the Dragoons were to be designated 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Models? I can assure you and all I won't be losing any sleep over this matter, just curious. I bought the 1st Model because it retained the squared off trigger guard which I think look's good, and being the 1st Model it was real close to my Walker..Thank you in advance sir....

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Old April 26, 2009, 11:31 AM   #1291
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How could the 'carbine-pistol' be model 1855, when 1855 was at least seven years in the future?
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The pictured saddle holster is an example of the kind that was issued to enlisted troopers from the Mexican War, through the Civil war.
This came as an answer to a question posted by NobleSniper:

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Do any of the original "saddle holsters" exist for the Walker? Was wondering what they looked like.
The illustrated one was as close as I could get, and was of the same style and pattern used during the Mexican War. But someone would have surely ask, "Why is one side different then the other," If I hadn't explained. The Walker revolvers that were still serviceable were still issued after the Mexican War until they became worn out. For the most part they saw duty guarding wagon trains with immigrants going from the East to California or Oregon.

It is my understand that Uncle Sam's Army is still using a handful of model 1911A1 .45 pistols In Iraq, even though the newest ones were made in 1945.
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Old April 26, 2009, 11:33 AM   #1292
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I read where Sam Colt never designated any of the Dragoons as first second or third model dragoons. They were updated dragoons........... Now as to how correct that is I am unsure but I positive someone could shed more might on that .
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Old April 26, 2009, 01:05 PM   #1293
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Noble Sniper, I can live with that. Sound's as good as anything else I'vd read on here and much less confusing..I looked at my 1st Model a few minutes ago. I don't have too many guns but I check them usually every Sunday to make sure they are still in good shape and have plenty of lube on them. Just look at them and then put them away again. I especially check my '58's and my Cattleman carbines. God know's I'vd got a lot of money invested in them. (work I'vd had done on them)
I'vd got a set of rubber grip panels I'm sitting here looking at that a friend rough cut for me to fit on my Walker. They just need a little trimming and they should fit real good. Well, I might get around to putting them on. Right now I'm busy with my coffee and cigarettes....
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Old April 26, 2009, 01:11 PM   #1294
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My guess, and it is purely an uneducated guess is that when Colt started modifying the Dragoons, i.e round trigger guards, folks started hanging the 2nd and 3rd Model monikers on them to differentiate the changes.
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Old April 26, 2009, 01:23 PM   #1295
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Messerist, that could well be the case. The more I study over what you just posted, the more sense it make's to me. Change the looks..change the name..Yeah..
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Old April 26, 2009, 01:36 PM   #1296
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The way I read it was the way Messirist describes it. It was everyone but Sam Colt that put the number designations on them. He merely sw them as progressive upgrades
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Old April 26, 2009, 01:46 PM   #1297
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The names 1st, 2nd and 3rd model came well after the revolvers.
The 1st model has a dragoon trigger guard and oval cylinder slots.
The 2nd has rectangular slots with the dragoon guard.
The 3rd has rectangular slots and a round trigger guard.
Relatively minor variations.
Plus you have the early odd variations of Walker and Dragoon parts.
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Old April 26, 2009, 01:56 PM   #1298
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How firearms are designated or classified by researchers, collectors and writers vs. how it was done during the period they were manufactured is often a problem, but not a serious one.

During the short period it was made, no changes were made in the approximately 1,100 Walkers that were produced. But after that, between 1847 and 1861 Colt made what he called the “Holster Pistol,” or sometimes the “Cavalry Pistol” in his advertising or price lists. His distributors usually used this same language. Later historians ignored what had been done, and called them “Dragoons.” That name came from the scene roll-engraved on the cylinder.

Colt often made running changes and improvements to his revolvers, and introduced them without notice or fanfare. Collectors would have none of this, and insisted that each noticeable change be specifically designated. In the case of the Holster Pistol/Dragoon there are five such classifications – all collector inspired. None of this is particularly important unless you are reading contemporary documents from the 19th century and trying to make a connection with the terms used in later reference books.
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Old April 26, 2009, 02:08 PM   #1299
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Got it straight! Close enough anyway.I don't even remember what the 3rd Model even look's like. I do remember it was ugly as warmed over sin. Round trigger guard and cut to take a shoulder stock. aahh well! Different strokes for different folks..
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I still haven't decided whether to get anther Walker or try a dragoon....... because I know I will have to have one of each eventually
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