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Old January 23, 2010, 08:50 PM   #2376
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Thank you!

Maybe some one can help me ID the maker of my Walker.

It was purchased in 1984 (not in the 70's like I thought before) I think.





These marks are on the right side just above the trigger.








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Old January 23, 2010, 11:10 PM   #2377
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The AE in a square indicates the gun was made in 1979; the other two marks are Italian proof house marks, proving the gun was made in Italy. It was probably made by Armi San Marco for a US importer; the engraving was likely added in the US by the importer. Look under the loading lever near the breech for additional stamps.
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Old January 23, 2010, 11:18 PM   #2378
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Never noticed under the loader!

"Black Powder Only 44 CAL. Made In Italy"

That made me think, around the same time I ordered an 1851 Navy with brass frame from the same people (EMF) in the early 1980's. It has the same exact marks on it as the Walker! And is as nice finish as the Walker. Interesting.

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Old January 24, 2010, 01:33 AM   #2379
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nice to see the wedge in the right way dolk,, photo of my 1980 ASM WALKER is on page 90 but its not in as good a condition as yours , if you want some A4 size drawings of a walker and a 1851 colt navy , pm me you email address ,, you can see the WALKER drawings on the same page as my ASM WALKER photo ....
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Old January 24, 2010, 10:52 AM   #2380
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How can you tell it was made in 1980 or 1979? The AE code?

Is it a code or ?? Where can you find the markings or codes for these?

I'm going to look in my Dad's papers. There may be receipts for these guns in there. We bought them from EMF and I remember the letters ASM now, I think.

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Old January 24, 2010, 01:39 PM   #2381
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Here is my 1851 Navy I bought around the same time as my Walker. Both came from EMF. I don't think they are the same manufacturers???? I don't know if it will help ID my Walker or not.





It has this mark on the bottom of the grips. Maker??


This was my "all the time shooter".

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Old January 24, 2010, 01:39 PM   #2382
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Italian made black powder guns all are required to have a date of manufacture code stamped on them. The code consisted of simple numbers at first but has now evolved into a two-letter code contained in a square box. Here's the decoder ring:

I'm not familiar with the 'PR' stamp on your 1851.
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Old January 24, 2010, 09:58 PM   #2383
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dolk, found this info for you on the net..... looks like EMF sold ASM revolvers then went over to PIETTA revolvers when ASM folded .............

If it says EMF it is an Armi San Marco revolver made in Italy.
Generally the quality was a little worse than Uberti. Earlier guns were pretty good, but later pieces, before ASM folded, had some bad quality control issues, which was why EMF and some other importers dropped them. By "earlier" I mean guns produced prior to approximately 2002.

EMF Company, Inc. - Founded in 1956, EMF Company, Inc. is known for providing quality, authentic Cowboy guns, at affordable prices. The keystone of EMF's "Cowboy Way" is to provide friendly, personal customer service, and to stand behind the products we sell.

EMF's Great Western II single action revolvers and Hartford model percussion pistols are manufactured by F.A.P F.LLI. Pietta. Established in 1960 by Knight Giuseppe Pietta, the company first entered the world of gunmaking by producing hunting guns, including side-by-side and over and under shotguns. In 1964, F.A.P. F.LLI. Pietta started manufacturing replicas of the firearms used in the American Civil War. Over the years, they have made an excellent reputation (in a very difficult market) for making quality black powder reproductions. In 2002, Mr. Davis, CEO/President of EMF Company turned to Knight Giuseppe Pietta to manufacture EMF's Great Western II line of single action revolvers. The joint efforts of these two great companies have resulted in the production of one of the finest single action revolvers on the market today!

Davide Pedersoli & Co. is famous for making superior quality, authentic reproductions of the muzzleloading and cartridge firearms used during the 1700's -1890's. All of the components needed to assemble Pedersoli firearms are manufacturered inside the company, giving them the advantage to control every working phase, from the project design to the manufacturing of their firearms. Following in his father's footsteps, Pierangelo Pedersoli is a man with great vision and high standards. Davide Pedersoli & Co. products are known world-wide for their quality, reliability, and ballistic precision.

During the first months of 1959, Aldo Uberti started his first production of replicas. The first model produced was the 1851 Navy. In 1965, Aldo Uberti made his first lever action...the Model 1866 in .22 Rimfire. After 50 years, the Uberti Company continues making fine replica reproductions of the Cowboy Era firearms. EMF proudly imports and distributes selected Uberti firearms, including the 1875 Remington & 1873 Border rifles.

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Old January 25, 2010, 10:21 AM   #2384
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Thank you gentlemen for that information. Learn something every day!

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Old January 25, 2010, 08:58 PM   #2385
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Thats because now your on THR with Real Black Powder folks.

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Old January 31, 2010, 09:04 PM   #2386
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Old February 8, 2010, 11:06 PM   #2387
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The Walker I have is made in Italy and was bought in 1977. I bought it from another guy who had just bought it and fired it only one loading. Told me it wasn't any good. I agreed and offered him $30.00 for it and I owned it. They were around $135.00 new. The barrel was put in the heavy part crooked. shot way off to one side. I had a gunsmith fix it. He had to bend it in a press to straighten it. Then it shot pretty close to point of aim.
Second problem is has is that there is way too much end clearance for the cylinder. Also to much rotation when cylinder is locked. Usable but not very good.

The third and very bad problem it has is blowing the hammer back to half cock when firing a full load. This could be dangerous. The nipples must have to big of holes in them. I found this out the first time I fired it.
And that leads to this story:

I heard they had just build a new indoor range in a town near me. I had never shot at a range before let alone inside.
A friend invited me to come over and try it out.
I packed up the Walker that I had just bought and never shot yet to give it a try.
When I got there I noticed a sign on the door of the range. Said "38 special and smaller".

So I said to the guy up front.
"Guess I can't shoot my gun here".

He said. "What do you have with you?"

I said. "44 cal. black powder gun".

"Ohhhh Heck, Any black powder would be fine" he said. "You won't hurt our back stop with that".

Never looked at the gun though. And I know none of them had ever seen one.

I said, "You sure?"

"Oh ya, go ahead".

I went on in and up to the line. one at the end by the side wall. Loaded it up with a full load in all the chambers. Hung a target which cliped on and sent it down to the other end.

Then took carefull aim. Squeezed the triger and Ker-Booooooom. The concussion was teriffic. Couldn't see a thing for all the smoke all around me.
Guys came running from all over. from all the other stations and from the front room.

"YOU OK!" "YOU OK?"

"I'm Fine" I hallered back.

When the smoke cleared enough to see down range I noticed every target down all the lines were gone. The concussion had blown them all out of the clips.
I also noticed the hammer blowed to half cock.

I said, "I guess one shot is enough"
They all agreed and I unloaded it and went home.

Never shot a full load in it again. And have never been to a gun range again either.

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Old February 9, 2010, 10:28 AM   #2388
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that was funny.
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Old February 10, 2010, 12:09 PM   #2389
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Dragoon in Dragoon

Ya just gotta remember, most folks just don't have a clue when it comes to BP pistols.

While staying in Dragoon AZ a couple of weeks ago, I was invited by the ranch owner to shoot my 2nd Model Dragoon. Long story short, the sherriff showed up shortly to calm the nerves of a neighbor a half mile away.

They didn't know what was being fired, but it sounded illegal to the neighbor.

Gotta love it!!

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Old February 10, 2010, 11:13 PM   #2390
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Rod doc hahahahahahah
oh man that was funny
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Old February 11, 2010, 01:04 AM   #2391
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posting to say im joining
trying to sell my spas 12 and get me a walker or two
or three
i figure dependin on what she sells for get either one standard and one nice lookin one
or two standards and a nice one
i been in love with that gun since i saw josey wales so long ago and i havent got around to getting one
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Old February 11, 2010, 01:56 AM   #2392
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hahahah well first of all welcome to THR second when you get your gun post it here with some pics. All are welcome to join.
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Old February 11, 2010, 02:10 AM   #2393
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Top 1851 44cal 7 1/2 inch barrel. On bottom

Well Thats a WALKER
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Old February 11, 2010, 04:24 PM   #2394
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WALKER and son

figured I would try to post a pic of my Walker and his son a 1851 44 cal navy as soon as I get my rig from BBG I will post that also
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Old February 12, 2010, 12:48 AM   #2395
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so Sweeet sooo sooo sweeet
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Old February 12, 2010, 11:35 AM   #2396
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I have been doing a lot of Walker drooling to long. I have a Dragoon 3rd model.
My problem is the new price of the better makers. I came across an AMS at a gun show. It was in bad shape and he wanted $300. I was trying to get it for $200 or less. He said it was a collectors piece. What I said the next words, ending any kind of deal. I'm not a junk collector. That was it.
Anybody have one they would to sell or trade. For a reasonable price and or trade.
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Old February 12, 2010, 02:31 PM   #2397
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Here's an ASM Walker on Auction Arms for $207.00 plus shipping.



7 hours left... .
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Old February 12, 2010, 07:22 PM   #2398
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Stick with Uberti, Cimmaron arms or Colt
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Old February 12, 2010, 07:31 PM   #2399
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Well...I have heard the Armi San Marco Revolvers run from excellent all the way down to not-so-good.


So, I think we have to say, they are a gamble.


I have a San Marco 3rd Dragoon, and, it is very nice, very good Mechanically, well fitted, high quality all round, very good Shooter.
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Old February 12, 2010, 08:01 PM   #2400
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I have two armi san marco that shoot very good and are not a problem at all. but with that said i guess i might be pushing my luck
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