Magpul Massoud .308/7.62x51

Gaiudo · February 20, 2008, 02:39 AM

Well, this will be interesting. It looks as though Magpul is designing a full battle rifle platform, dubbed the "Massoud", to compliment its "Masada/"ACR" assault rifle platform. Apparently the furniture, trigger groups, and other minor parts will be compatible with the Masada/ACR, but most of the internals and barrel would be proprietary. Still in the prototype stage from Magpul, so let's see how Bushmaster does with the ACR this summer.

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dscottw88 · February 20, 2008, 06:16 AM

Another Reason to make more money.... Now I have to add another one to my list of "Rifles To Get Soon!"

stubbicatt · February 20, 2008, 08:49 AM

Excellent! I think I might get one of each. This is exciting news and exciting times, a newly designed, superbly designed rifle, homegrown here in the United States, designed by guys in Colorado. If these rifles are at all accurate, I think they will be the next step in rifle design.

ckay · February 20, 2008, 09:41 AM

I'm confused by this...doesn't the Masada/ACR allow for different calibers?

casio02478 · February 20, 2008, 11:14 AM

The ACR allows different calibers if they are similar dimensions ie 223 to 6.5 or 6.8. The 308 is too different from the 223 ACR for that kind of change, in this case the 308 is too long.

Gaiudo · February 20, 2008, 02:15 PM

Just as Casio said, the ACR is an intermediate/assault rifle platform, which will accept 223/6.5/6.8, or (and I'm excited about this) an AK lower for 7.62x39, etc.

However, there's quite a difference in the makeup of the assault rifle cartridges, and the longer rifle cases such as the .308. Not only is it significantly longer, but I believe the bolt has to be beefed up quite a bit. However, if that allows us to jump to stuff like .260, .243, 300winmag, etc., it takes us to a whole 'nother level.

**Zak Smith** · February 20, 2008, 03:30 PM

That black suppressor on the first rifle sure is sexy..

Gaiudo · February 20, 2008, 04:27 PM

Zak, it sure is. Would you happen to know anything about said suppressor? Like, when I could get one? :-)

**Zak Smith** · February 20, 2008, 04:31 PM

I think "soon" ?!

**Coronach** · February 20, 2008, 04:39 PM

WANT

**Coronach** · February 20, 2008, 04:47 PM

Also, an interesting similarity/dissimilarity with the Masada/ACR. Massoud was an Islamic leader, though seemingly not of the militant jihadist/wahabiist/Taliban persuasion (I admit my biographical knowledge of him is limited).

I wonder if Magpul will farm this out, too, or use the income from the Masada/ACR to develop this themselves? I also wonder if they retain any rights to the Masada design itself, or if everything got signed over the Bushmaster.

Mike

Gaiudo · February 20, 2008, 04:48 PM

So many unanswered questions I want to know!! Any insiders in Magpul please spill the beans!! (highly unlikely).

Number 6 · February 20, 2008, 06:01 PM

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I wonder if Magpul will farm this out, too, or use the income from the Masada/ACR to develop this themselves? I also wonder if they retain any rights to the Masada design itself, or if everything got signed over the Bushmaster.

From what I understand Bushmaster has acquired a license agreement to manufacture the Masada. I am not sure if the license is exclusive in nature, but Bushmaster does not own the design. So there is at least a possibility for Magpul to produce their own rifle if there is no stipulation otherwise in the agreement.

Eightball · February 20, 2008, 07:00 PM

I really can't see the point. It goes from .308 to.......even more expensive-to-shoot calibres at the drop of a hat?

The ACR is one thing; this just seems to be along the "we're milking this for cash" line of ideas.

Now, if they make that thing accept all the stuff of it's little brother and swap out, a la the SCAR....then sign me up. Otherwise......count me out.

Gaiudo · February 20, 2008, 07:08 PM

And why would a great modular system that would be great in the Masada, NOT be great in a full-length cartridge system, Eightball? I don't quite see how making the platform available in a caliber I would want to buy would somehow "milk this for cash"....?? Please explain what you were thinking.

As for making it more expensive to shoot.... I paid more for my M1a platform than this will likely be. You don't see what the point is in shooting "expensive calibers"? I guess I'm lost. If I could get one of these in a .260Rem, I don't see how that is a "bad thing".

**Zak Smith** · February 20, 2008, 07:10 PM

308 kills things better than 5.56, 7.62x39, 6.8SPC, or 6.5 Grendel (ie, candidates for the ACR). That's enough of a reason for a ".308 Masada."

Rokyudai · February 20, 2008, 07:11 PM

why must I be tempted so....why, I say!

This will be mine.

mpmarty · February 20, 2008, 07:40 PM

Battle rifle calibers all begin with 7 (metric) or 3 (inch)

Bartholomew Roberts · February 20, 2008, 07:45 PM

Yes. As much as I like the ACR, I like this even better. A folding .308 with a short barrel means I can get ballistics comparable to a full-size AK from a much smaller package and then still use the same package (with some mods) for a semi-auto precision .308 rig for long range shooting. To me that is a nice bit of versatility.

Eric F · February 20, 2008, 07:57 PM

NEED

Gaiudo · February 20, 2008, 08:18 PM

My question is whether I will have to be purchasing two suppressors for the ACR/Massoud platforms, or just one!

Wes Janson · February 20, 2008, 09:05 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massoud

Looks like a proper name for it, but I suspect the forces of political correctness, in conjunction with Bushmaster's marketing department, will probably wind up renaming it the ACR-H.

PercyShelley · February 21, 2008, 03:40 AM

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So many unanswered questions I want to know!! Any insiders in Magpul please spill the beans!! (highly unlikely).

You don't even want to know what they would do to someone who did that.

Anyhow, there's a video of the rifle being fired on youtube, so it is at least in working prototype form. At arfcom, however, it was mentioned that a lot of the internals had to be hand-made, so this is doubtless some distance off from mass-production.

**Coronach** · February 21, 2008, 04:01 AM

Man. And I thought the Masada/ACR was getting pretty close to the wire for any AWB II silliness. The Massoud is all the more reason to fight tooth and nail against any first-term shenanigans by whichever of the Three Amigos gets elected.

Mike

Evil Monkey · February 21, 2008, 05:11 AM

Hell yeah, the Massoud! That guy was a bad ass! The best part of it is, he was on our side!

How can this name be politically incorrect? It's not like they named it "The Osama". lol

Whether I'm going to buy it or not depends if it's cheaper than the AR-10 copies out there. They both use DPMS/SR25 mags, 308, modular, it comes down to which is cheaper. Eh, who am I kidding, I'll get them all eventually.

Both the masada and massoud are basically AR18's in some way, not that there's anything wrong with that. I want to see a Robinson Arms XCR in 308, using the hardcore ak style set-up with the long stroke piston, fixed ejector, tough extractor, and massive lugs. That'd be sweet.

February 20, 2008, 02:39 AM	#1
Gaiudo Member Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,280	Magpul Massoud .308/7.62x51 Well, this will be interesting. It looks as though Magpul is designing a full battle rifle platform, dubbed the "Massoud", to compliment its "Masada/"ACR" assault rifle platform. Apparently the furniture, trigger groups, and other minor parts will be compatible with the Masada/ACR, but most of the internals and barrel would be proprietary. Still in the prototype stage from Magpul, so let's see how Bushmaster does with the ACR this summer. Precision Rifle Setup: Entry Carbine Setup: __________________ Nicholas Ellis

February 20, 2008, 06:16 AM	#2
dscottw88 Member Join Date: August 2, 2007 Posts: 744	Another Reason to make more money.... Now I have to add another one to my list of "Rifles To Get Soon!" __________________ "It's Only Money. You'll Make More." -Blackfork

February 20, 2008, 02:15 PM	#6
Gaiudo Member Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,280	Just as Casio said, the ACR is an intermediate/assault rifle platform, which will accept 223/6.5/6.8, or (and I'm excited about this) an AK lower for 7.62x39, etc. However, there's quite a difference in the makeup of the assault rifle cartridges, and the longer rifle cases such as the .308. Not only is it significantly longer, but I believe the bolt has to be beefed up quite a bit. However, if that allows us to jump to stuff like .260, .243, 300winmag, etc., it takes us to a whole 'nother level. __________________ Nicholas Ellis

February 20, 2008, 03:30 PM	#7
Zak Smith Moderator Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO, USA. Posts: 6,812	That black suppressor on the first rifle sure is sexy.. __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*

February 20, 2008, 04:27 PM	#8
Gaiudo Member Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,280	Zak, it sure is. Would you happen to know anything about said suppressor? Like, when I could get one? :-) __________________ Nicholas Ellis

February 20, 2008, 08:49 AM	#3
stubbicatt Member Join Date: August 23, 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,526	Excellent! I think I might get one of each. This is exciting news and exciting times, a newly designed, superbly designed rifle, homegrown here in the United States, designed by guys in Colorado. If these rifles are at all accurate, I think they will be the next step in rifle design.

February 20, 2008, 09:41 AM	#4
ckay Member Join Date: January 9, 2008 Posts: 195	I'm confused by this...doesn't the Masada/ACR allow for different calibers?

February 20, 2008, 11:14 AM	#5
casio02478 Member Join Date: October 15, 2006 Posts: 160	The ACR allows different calibers if they are similar dimensions ie 223 to 6.5 or 6.8. The 308 is too different from the 223 ACR for that kind of change, in this case the 308 is too long.

February 20, 2008, 04:31 PM	#9
Zak Smith Moderator Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO, USA. Posts: 6,812	I think "soon" ?! __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*

February 20, 2008, 04:39 PM	#10
Coronach Moderator Join Date: December 20, 2002 Posts: 10,615	WANT __________________ How is my M&P40 shooting? 99.78% reliable. (This is, unfortunately, out of date...it's only gotten better, I just need to put in the data). Wanted to Buy: vz24, Swedish, Siamese and various contract Mausers, in excellent condition (no scrubbed crests, please). Also, looking for a BHP in Ohio for FTF.

February 20, 2008, 04:47 PM	#11
Coronach Moderator Join Date: December 20, 2002 Posts: 10,615	Also, an interesting similarity/dissimilarity with the Masada/ACR. Massoud was an Islamic leader, though seemingly not of the militant jihadist/wahabiist/Taliban persuasion (I admit my biographical knowledge of him is limited). I wonder if Magpul will farm this out, too, or use the income from the Masada/ACR to develop this themselves? I also wonder if they retain any rights to the Masada design itself, or if everything got signed over the Bushmaster. Mike __________________ How is my M&P40 shooting? 99.78% reliable. (This is, unfortunately, out of date...it's only gotten better, I just need to put in the data). Wanted to Buy: vz24, Swedish, Siamese and various contract Mausers, in excellent condition (no scrubbed crests, please). Also, looking for a BHP in Ohio for FTF.

February 20, 2008, 04:48 PM	#12
Gaiudo Member Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,280	So many unanswered questions I want to know!! Any insiders in Magpul please spill the beans!! (highly unlikely). __________________ Nicholas Ellis

February 20, 2008, 07:00 PM	#14
Eightball Member Join Date: May 31, 2005 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 4,214	I really can't see the point. It goes from .308 to.......even more expensive-to-shoot calibres at the drop of a hat? The ACR is one thing; this just seems to be along the "we're milking this for cash" line of ideas. Now, if they make that thing accept all the stuff of it's little brother and swap out, a la the SCAR....then sign me up. Otherwise......count me out. __________________ cracked butt-"Getting shot in the head from across the street with a .22 would surely ruin your day." gezzer-"You do not want to fall down in a pasture of EMU's. They will eat you."

February 20, 2008, 07:08 PM	#15
Gaiudo Member Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,280	And why would a great modular system that would be great in the Masada, NOT be great in a full-length cartridge system, Eightball? I don't quite see how making the platform available in a caliber I would want to buy would somehow "milk this for cash"....?? Please explain what you were thinking. As for making it more expensive to shoot.... I paid more for my M1a platform than this will likely be. You don't see what the point is in shooting "expensive calibers"? I guess I'm lost. If I could get one of these in a .260Rem, I don't see how that is a "bad thing". __________________ Nicholas Ellis

February 20, 2008, 07:10 PM	#16
Zak Smith Moderator Join Date: December 24, 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO, USA. Posts: 6,812	308 kills things better than 5.56, 7.62x39, 6.8SPC, or 6.5 Grendel (ie, candidates for the ACR). That's enough of a reason for a ".308 Masada." __________________ Zak Smith . DEMIGOD LLC . THUNDER BEAST ARMS CORP . COLORADO MULTI-GUN *My PM inbox full? Send e-mail instead.*

February 20, 2008, 07:11 PM	#17
Rokyudai Member Join Date: July 25, 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 690	why must I be tempted so....why, I say! This will be mine. Last edited by Rokyudai; February 20, 2008 at 07:13 PM. Reason: duped while typing

February 20, 2008, 07:40 PM	#18
mpmarty Member Join Date: July 12, 2006 Location: So. Western Oregon Posts: 1,166	Battle rifle calibers all begin with 7 (metric) or 3 (inch) __________________ Marty in Oregon Semper Fi “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” Thomas Jefferson

February 20, 2008, 07:45 PM	#19
Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus Join Date: December 26, 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 10,596	Yes. As much as I like the ACR, I like this even better. A folding .308 with a short barrel means I can get ballistics comparable to a full-size AK from a much smaller package and then still use the same package (with some mods) for a semi-auto precision .308 rig for long range shooting. To me that is a nice bit of versatility. __________________ Texas gunowners should belong to TSRA.

February 20, 2008, 08:18 PM	#21
Gaiudo Member Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,280	My question is whether I will have to be purchasing two suppressors for the ACR/Massoud platforms, or just one! __________________ Nicholas Ellis

February 21, 2008, 04:01 AM	#24
Coronach Moderator Join Date: December 20, 2002 Posts: 10,615	Man. And I thought the Masada/ACR was getting pretty close to the wire for any AWB II silliness. The Massoud is all the more reason to fight tooth and nail against any first-term shenanigans by whichever of the Three Amigos gets elected. Mike __________________ How is my M&P40 shooting? 99.78% reliable. (This is, unfortunately, out of date...it's only gotten better, I just need to put in the data). Wanted to Buy: vz24, Swedish, Siamese and various contract Mausers, in excellent condition (no scrubbed crests, please). Also, looking for a BHP in Ohio for FTF.

February 21, 2008, 05:11 AM	#25
Evil Monkey Member Join Date: June 26, 2006 Posts: 1,305	Hell yeah, the Massoud! That guy was a bad ass! The best part of it is, he was on our side! How can this name be politically incorrect? It's not like they named it "The Osama". lol Whether I'm going to buy it or not depends if it's cheaper than the AR-10 copies out there. They both use DPMS/SR25 mags, 308, modular, it comes down to which is cheaper. Eh, who am I kidding, I'll get them all eventually. Both the masada and massoud are basically AR18's in some way, not that there's anything wrong with that. I want to see a Robinson Arms XCR in 308, using the hardcore ak style set-up with the long stroke piston, fixed ejector, tough extractor, and massive lugs. That'd be sweet. __________________ I said the NRA and other organizations should have paramilitary groups, and they all laughed at me. I hope these forums are still around in the future, so I can laugh at them.

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