On Fighting Shotguns.... - Page 11

chieftain · May 21, 2010, 10:55 PM

Good luck and God Speed in your adventures, Sir.

Fred

mossytrigger · May 22, 2010, 10:09 AM

Thank you, you too

William Lee · June 23, 2010, 02:53 PM

What about the NEF Pardner pump gun? Chinese made I know, but I've had mine for 6 months and put 200 rounds through it each thursday without a single hitch. Action is really smooth too and the gun aims nice, all for under 160 bucks.

Dave McCracken · June 24, 2010, 10:58 AM

For $200 or so, a used 870 can be had. The last one I bought was $178 out the door.

El Clerkino · June 28, 2010, 12:58 AM

Considering getting a pistol grip stock for HD, Pro's Con's?

Dave McCracken · June 28, 2010, 12:42 PM

A full stock with a separate PG like the AK and AR is usable.

A shotgun with just a PG and no real stock is a real step back in effectiveness. That pro/con debate has been covered elsewhere, use the search feature and get a few gigs of input.

cookiemeister · July 6, 2010, 04:09 PM

Just found a New Mossberg Maverick O/U shotgun at
www.deadeyeammo.com they are raffling off for $5 each ticket, Only 150 tickets being sold

Dave McCracken · July 6, 2010, 11:26 PM

Good luck!!

oldbanjo · July 9, 2010, 10:12 AM

SHOCKWAVE Do you like the folding stock? My 500 came with heat shield, standard stock and PG. I added Mirror tritium front sight. I like the PG but am considering a folding stock since I use 3" mag 00 buckshot in the gun.

jfauc806 · July 13, 2010, 08:58 PM

my coach gun is a Norinco, when I got it it took a little work to "tighten it up a bit" but after many, many rounds through it, I have all the faith in the world that it will protect my family if need be!

gun guy · August 8, 2010, 10:01 PM

i only used a shotgun once in a tactical situation, we stopped a car that was suspected of shooting up a wedding, a round hit the windshield, spiderwebbed it, by instinct i grabbed the shotgun out of the holder, opened the door and found myself rolling down a hill. i came up on one elbow from the prone position, fired one round at some guy putting handgun rounds into the cruiser while my partner was exchanging fire with another guy, the driver. he just, seemed to slip on ice and went down. it was later i discovered what i was even using, standard issue, well worn remington 870R. at that time, cool wouldn't have been a factor. a semi auto would have been better, its hard to pump in a new shell from the prone position. 2 3/4 in shell, double 00 buck, about 30 meters range

broken · August 9, 2010, 10:08 AM

an auto might have been better,still glad you had a trusty 870 by your side..just glad your safe and still here.

lloveless · October 14, 2010, 03:15 PM

I see people saying they like a folding stock on a shotgun. How about a telecoping stock instead?
ll

DRZinn · October 14, 2010, 04:04 PM

I have folding stock on mine, only for storage and transport purposes. A telescoping stock is better for shooting, if you're small-statured or wearing body armor.

Spec ops Grunt · October 20, 2010, 12:53 AM

What can I say, I love to put accessories on my Rifles, but can't bear to do it on my shotguns. Maybe pumpguns are just more aesthetically pleasing to me.

ElPasoWrangler · November 7, 2010, 02:19 PM

My new 982 Hawk is a Norinco 870 clone with ghost Ring sights. It seems like a well made 18.5 inch defensive shotgun. I am very pleased with it. It has eaten everything I have fed it with no problems. Simple, light and effective. 00 buck and rifled slugs intermixed.

ElPasoWrangler · November 11, 2010, 07:52 PM

My old Ithica side by side that served my Grandfather so well once used to bring home more dove and quail than than the fancier pumps and autos. I retired it when I got my 1100. My bird count kind of fell of for a while. Fastest limit for me on doves was withthe 1100 and under 30 minutes of pass shooting from under a cottonwood on the Rio Grande.

CasaVerdeDave · December 10, 2010, 11:42 PM

Who's got information on speed loading a double barrel for cowboy shootiong?

JSmith · December 14, 2010, 08:26 PM

My wife and I have a Mossberg 500 "Persuader" in 20 ga., 18.5: barrel (she won't even consider pulling the trigger on a 12 ga. and I think 20 ga. #3 buckshot is entirely adequate for HD distances, hence the 20.)

The first dozen times or so I had it at the range there was something not quite right about this gun - nothing wrong with it, it worked fine, but not quite right either. It's extremely light and thus has more recol than other 20s I've fired, and it's front-heavy which makes it more difficult to bring on target.

I was reinstalling the buttstock (the hollow, plastic buttstock) after the one time I tried the pistol grip, and a solution occurred to me. I removed the recoil pad and filled the buttstock up with BBs - almost 2 pounds of 'em.

Now it weight 7.5 pounds fully loaded, balances just in front of the trigger guard... and I have used trap guns that didn't come on target as quickly as this one now does. And the additional mass cut the recoil significantly.

I'm quite happy with it now, and that solution fits the ongoing theme of cheap and simple.

Mark8252 · January 10, 2011, 08:42 PM

Personally I like the Taurus 5 shot 410 revolver in my dresser drawer. Loaded with #4 buck it will serve its purpose.

mattlove444 · January 10, 2011, 09:10 PM

I've got two Winchester 1300s that work great. Slick and easy to use.

Pfletch83 · January 11, 2011, 03:37 AM

I have a 1300 in 20 gauge (I've taken a few brushy tails with it over the years) one of the best shotguns I've ever shouldered.

I now have a mossberg 500 in .410 and I was wondering if someone could give me some help about having the barrel length cut down from 24 inches to around 18.5 or 19 inches (trying to double check my facts and be on the safe and legal side)

It's a vent rib and I would like to have the factory bead sights re-installed after being cut down.

The main reason for me having the barrel cut down is to remove the fixed full choke portion and leave it with a squared up cylinder bore (because I hate the idea of putting a slug through a full choked barrel)

matty-vb · April 8, 2011, 02:02 AM

anything I could add about the shotguns themselves has already been said I suppose. The surefire fore ends are great, but very pricey. If I may, I would point those on a budget to the streamlight TRL1 weapon light. although made for pistols (one sits on my issued G22), I gave one a try on a small picatinny rail on my 500 and it worked out great. very lightweight, with high quality LED power. no cords or wires to tangle or mess with the pump action. very rugged too. just my two pennies.

great thread btw....

jdmb03 · April 10, 2011, 08:03 PM

I have a stock 870 20ga 7+1 that I use for my fighting shotgun. I shoot Federal #3 Buck. I found it to be too light because of the hollow synthetic stock so I filled the buttstock with fine density cat litter. It gives the gun the extra weight I need and helps tame recoil.

CanadianFreedom · May 16, 2011, 01:52 PM

Never mind strap on nonsense like pistol grips, or any other baloney that alters the weight and balance of the stock gun. Get a plain jane Mossberg 500 pump action and learn how to shoot the thing. You can't stop anyone with a pistol grip (the stupidest idea I have ever heard of). You can - and will - stop them in their tracks with the biggest baddest stopper of all...it's called shot placement.

Get your wannabee Rambo heads out of your butts and stop buying into the tactical bullcrap marketing nonsense. Get a dead stock Mossie 500 pump. Learn how to use it. Practice. And while I am at it...all you need to put a tunnel through a BG is a 20 gauge...anything bigger is simply unnecessary. Unnecessary recoil...unnecessary ammo expense...can't realistically be used by smaller members of your family...complete overkill. A 20 gauge will stop anyone in a home invasion scenario right square in their tracks.

If you don't believe me, come to my place, and stand 30 feet away (much longer than typical home defense scenarios) and contemplate your life evaporating while you listen to me work the slide of my 20, and point it at your sternum.

Only the coroner will be able to tell if you were capped with a 12 or a 20...once they finish putting all the parts back together...

May 21, 2010, 10:55 PM	#251
chieftain Member Join Date: December 25, 2002 Location: The Free State of Arizona Posts: 1,242	Good luck and God Speed in your adventures, Sir. Fred __________________ MINDSET - SKILLSET - TOOLSET - IN THAT ORDER! OODA -- COL John Boyd, USAF “To lead untrained men in to war, is to waste them.” - Confucious “We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality” - Ayn Rand

July 6, 2010, 04:09 PM	#257
cookiemeister Member Join Date: April 28, 2009 Posts: 3	Fighting Shotguns Just found a New Mossberg Maverick O/U shotgun at www.deadeyeammo.com they are raffling off for $5 each ticket, Only 150 tickets being sold

July 13, 2010, 08:58 PM	#260
jfauc806 Member Join Date: July 13, 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 8	types of coach guns my coach gun is a Norinco, when I got it it took a little work to "tighten it up a bit" but after many, many rounds through it, I have all the faith in the world that it will protect my family if need be! __________________ "God, Guns and Guts Keep America Free!" "So we prayed to our God and stationed a guard because of them day and night." - Nehemiah 4:9

October 14, 2010, 03:15 PM	#263
lloveless Member Join Date: July 22, 2007 Location: Woodbury, Tn Posts: 630	I see people saying they like a folding stock on a shotgun. How about a telecoping stock instead? ll __________________ NRA Endowment Member

October 14, 2010, 04:04 PM	#264
DRZinn Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Location: In a pot of water, 200 degrees and rising slowly.... Posts: 3,991	I have folding stock on mine, only for storage and transport purposes. A telescoping stock is better for shooting, if you're small-statured or wearing body armor. __________________ "...there's always somebody else out there that needs to be whacked"... MajGen James Mattis, to Co G, Third Battalion, Twenty-Third Marines, in Al Kut, Iraq, July 2003 What I do.

May 22, 2010, 10:09 AM	#252
mossytrigger Member Join Date: May 21, 2010 Location: the woods, near a big lake Posts: 17	Thank you, you too

June 23, 2010, 02:53 PM	#253
William Lee Member Join Date: June 18, 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 107	What about the NEF Pardner pump gun? Chinese made I know, but I've had mine for 6 months and put 200 rounds through it each thursday without a single hitch. Action is really smooth too and the gun aims nice, all for under 160 bucks.

June 24, 2010, 10:58 AM	#254
Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam Join Date: December 20, 2002 Location: MD. Posts: 13,941	For $200 or so, a used 870 can be had. The last one I bought was $178 out the door.

June 28, 2010, 12:58 AM	#255
El Clerkino Member Join Date: June 27, 2010 Location: NY :( Posts: 24	Considering getting a pistol grip stock for HD, Pro's Con's?

June 28, 2010, 12:42 PM	#256
Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam Join Date: December 20, 2002 Location: MD. Posts: 13,941	A full stock with a separate PG like the AK and AR is usable. A shotgun with just a PG and no real stock is a real step back in effectiveness. That pro/con debate has been covered elsewhere, use the search feature and get a few gigs of input.

July 6, 2010, 11:26 PM	#258
Dave McCracken Moderator In Memoriam Join Date: December 20, 2002 Location: MD. Posts: 13,941	Good luck!!

July 9, 2010, 10:12 AM	#259
oldbanjo Member Join Date: July 8, 2010 Location: SC Posts: 432	SHOCKWAVE Do you like the folding stock? My 500 came with heat shield, standard stock and PG. I added Mirror tritium front sight. I like the PG but am considering a folding stock since I use 3" mag 00 buckshot in the gun.

August 8, 2010, 10:01 PM	#261
gun guy Member Join Date: August 2, 2010 Location: new mexico Posts: 276	i only used a shotgun once in a tactical situation, we stopped a car that was suspected of shooting up a wedding, a round hit the windshield, spiderwebbed it, by instinct i grabbed the shotgun out of the holder, opened the door and found myself rolling down a hill. i came up on one elbow from the prone position, fired one round at some guy putting handgun rounds into the cruiser while my partner was exchanging fire with another guy, the driver. he just, seemed to slip on ice and went down. it was later i discovered what i was even using, standard issue, well worn remington 870R. at that time, cool wouldn't have been a factor. a semi auto would have been better, its hard to pump in a new shell from the prone position. 2 3/4 in shell, double 00 buck, about 30 meters range

August 9, 2010, 10:08 AM	#262
broken Member Join Date: June 14, 2008 Location: arkansas Posts: 374	an auto might have been better,still glad you had a trusty 870 by your side..just glad your safe and still here.

October 20, 2010, 12:53 AM	#265
Spec ops Grunt Member Join Date: October 14, 2005 Location: Broken Arrow, Oklahoma Posts: 952	What can I say, I love to put accessories on my Rifles, but can't bear to do it on my shotguns. Maybe pumpguns are just more aesthetically pleasing to me. __________________ What is a Spec ops Grunt? I am not in any way affiliated with the military. *Life is composed of different inventions.*-Mikhail Kalashnikov

November 7, 2010, 02:19 PM	#266
ElPasoWrangler Member Join Date: November 8, 2006 Posts: 51	My new 982 Hawk is a Norinco 870 clone with ghost Ring sights. It seems like a well made 18.5 inch defensive shotgun. I am very pleased with it. It has eaten everything I have fed it with no problems. Simple, light and effective. 00 buck and rifled slugs intermixed.

November 11, 2010, 07:52 PM	#267
ElPasoWrangler Member Join Date: November 8, 2006 Posts: 51	My old Ithica side by side that served my Grandfather so well once used to bring home more dove and quail than than the fancier pumps and autos. I retired it when I got my 1100. My bird count kind of fell of for a while. Fastest limit for me on doves was withthe 1100 and under 30 minutes of pass shooting from under a cottonwood on the Rio Grande.

December 10, 2010, 11:42 PM	#268
CasaVerdeDave Member Join Date: December 10, 2010 Posts: 1	Who's got information on speed loading a double barrel for cowboy shootiong?

December 14, 2010, 08:26 PM	#269
JSmith Member Join Date: April 11, 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 260	My wife and I have a Mossberg 500 "Persuader" in 20 ga., 18.5: barrel (she won't even consider pulling the trigger on a 12 ga. and I think 20 ga. #3 buckshot is entirely adequate for HD distances, hence the 20.) The first dozen times or so I had it at the range there was something not quite right about this gun - nothing wrong with it, it worked fine, but not quite right either. It's extremely light and thus has more recol than other 20s I've fired, and it's front-heavy which makes it more difficult to bring on target. I was reinstalling the buttstock (the hollow, plastic buttstock) after the one time I tried the pistol grip, and a solution occurred to me. I removed the recoil pad and filled the buttstock up with BBs - almost 2 pounds of 'em. Now it weight 7.5 pounds fully loaded, balances just in front of the trigger guard... and I have used trap guns that didn't come on target as quickly as this one now does. And the additional mass cut the recoil significantly. I'm quite happy with it now, and that solution fits the ongoing theme of cheap and simple.

January 10, 2011, 08:42 PM	#270
Mark8252 Member Join Date: April 5, 2004 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 259	Personally I like the Taurus 5 shot 410 revolver in my dresser drawer. Loaded with #4 buck it will serve its purpose.

January 10, 2011, 09:10 PM	#271
mattlove444 Member Join Date: May 10, 2009 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 78	I've got two Winchester 1300s that work great. Slick and easy to use. __________________ "War is not about dying for your country. It is about making the other son of a gun die for his." George S. Patton

January 11, 2011, 03:37 AM	#272
Pfletch83 member Join Date: January 7, 2011 Posts: 354	I have a 1300 in 20 gauge (I've taken a few brushy tails with it over the years) one of the best shotguns I've ever shouldered. I now have a mossberg 500 in .410 and I was wondering if someone could give me some help about having the barrel length cut down from 24 inches to around 18.5 or 19 inches (trying to double check my facts and be on the safe and legal side) It's a vent rib and I would like to have the factory bead sights re-installed after being cut down. The main reason for me having the barrel cut down is to remove the fixed full choke portion and leave it with a squared up cylinder bore (because I hate the idea of putting a slug through a full choked barrel)

April 8, 2011, 02:02 AM	#273
matty-vb Member Join Date: March 18, 2011 Location: Iowa Posts: 79	anything I could add about the shotguns themselves has already been said I suppose. The surefire fore ends are great, but very pricey. If I may, I would point those on a budget to the streamlight TRL1 weapon light. although made for pistols (one sits on my issued G22), I gave one a try on a small picatinny rail on my 500 and it worked out great. very lightweight, with high quality LED power. no cords or wires to tangle or mess with the pump action. very rugged too. just my two pennies. great thread btw....

April 10, 2011, 08:03 PM	#274
jdmb03 Member Join Date: April 23, 2003 Location: Ypsilanti Posts: 391	I have a stock 870 20ga 7+1 that I use for my fighting shotgun. I shoot Federal #3 Buck. I found it to be too light because of the hollow synthetic stock so I filled the buttstock with fine density cat litter. It gives the gun the extra weight I need and helps tame recoil.

May 16, 2011, 01:52 PM	#275
CanadianFreedom Member Join Date: May 16, 2011 Posts: 3	Never mind strap on nonsense like pistol grips, or any other baloney that alters the weight and balance of the stock gun. Get a plain jane Mossberg 500 pump action and learn how to shoot the thing. You can't stop anyone with a pistol grip (the stupidest idea I have ever heard of). You can - and will - stop them in their tracks with the biggest baddest stopper of all...it's called shot placement. Get your wannabee Rambo heads out of your butts and stop buying into the tactical bullcrap marketing nonsense. Get a dead stock Mossie 500 pump. Learn how to use it. Practice. And while I am at it...all you need to put a tunnel through a BG is a 20 gauge...anything bigger is simply unnecessary. Unnecessary recoil...unnecessary ammo expense...can't realistically be used by smaller members of your family...complete overkill. A 20 gauge will stop anyone in a home invasion scenario right square in their tracks. If you don't believe me, come to my place, and stand 30 feet away (much longer than typical home defense scenarios) and contemplate your life evaporating while you listen to me work the slide of my 20, and point it at your sternum. Only the coroner will be able to tell if you were capped with a 12 or a 20...once they finish putting all the parts back together...