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Old January 24, 2011, 09:46 PM   #2826
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The serial number for your fathers K38 Combat Masterpiece is incorrect, you are quoting an assembly number, used to track parts in the factory. The serial number will have a K in it or as a prefix and will be found on the bottom of the grip frame. You will need to remove the target grips to see it.
Thank you sir. The serial on the bottom of the butt is K 3219**
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Old January 24, 2011, 09:55 PM   #2827
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How about this 19-3 2K306**




Thank you again.
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Old January 24, 2011, 10:18 PM   #2828
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A couple of j-frames, if you please?

Model 49
a) .38
b) 2"
c) Round
d) 5 shot
e) fixed
f) 3j9975
g) Model 49

Model 60
a) .38
b) 2"
c) Round
d) 5 shot
e) fixed
f) R189613
g) Model 60

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Old January 24, 2011, 10:22 PM   #2829
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Barkoff:
Your Model 19-3 Combat Magnum was manufactured in 1971.
Your fathers Model 15 K38 Combat Masterpiece was manufactured in 1958. If it lacks the Model 15 stamping under the cylinder yoke then it is one of the very last produced without it, as Model numbers were introduced in 1957.
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Old January 24, 2011, 10:27 PM   #2830
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Your Model 586 Distinguished Combat Magnum was manufactured in 1984. There is a recall in effect on all 586 & 586-1 marked guns, as with some magnum primers the primer can flow back around the primer into the firing pin bushing and stop the cylinder from rotating. S&W will pay shipping both ways and will install a new firing pin and bushing.
I've only read one case of this occurring in 15 years of reading gun boards on an almost daily basis, so I consider it to be quite rare. If the gun is intended for self defence I would send it in. If you are only going to shoot .38 specials or shoot it at the range then its not something I would consider urgent. YMMV.
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Old January 24, 2011, 10:30 PM   #2831
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Your Model 49 Bodyguard was manufactured in 1971 or 1972.
Your Model 60 Chiefs Special Stainless was manufactured in the period 1970 to 1973. Serial range for those years was R100000 to R190000, so 1973 seems likely.
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Old January 25, 2011, 08:43 AM   #2832
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DOB of this old one

a) .38 special
b) 4"
c) square
d) 6 shot
e) fixed
f) 85741 on butt B 85741 under barrel


Left side barrel

38 S&W Special
U.S. Service CTG's

Right side barrel

Smith and Wesson Sprinfield Mass. U.S.A.
( lots of patent dates )
(More patent dates ending in July 7.03)

This gun was given to me in poor shape. I bead blasted it and black oxided it as well as new cylinder stop and springs. It is a good shooter now.

When was it made and what value is it now?

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Old January 25, 2011, 03:27 PM   #2833
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DOB for S&W J-frame

I need some help with a manufacturing date for my 38 J-frame please:

a) 38 spc.
b) 2" barrel.
c) square grip
d) 5 shot
e) fixed sights
f) s/n: J4855xx
g) m/n: 38-I
That number, if it is the s/n, should come from the butt of the grip (or under the barrel or face of the cylinder).

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Old January 25, 2011, 08:54 PM   #2834
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You have a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 - 2nd Change, manufactured between 1906 & 1909 in the serial range 73251 to 146899, so 1906 seems likely.

Your gun lacks the positive hammer block safety introduced during WWII, if dropped there is the chance it could fire. It would be prudent to leave the chamber under the hammer empty if it is kept loaded.

It also predates heat treatment of cylinders, introduced in 1919. I recommend you do not use anything other than standard velocity lead ammunition in it, no PlusP, +P+, jacketed or semi jacketed ammo. If you use any these there is the small possibility you could bulge or crack the cylinder.

As it has been refinished it has minimal value to a collector, so its value is as a shooter, probably between $250 & $350.

BTW, nice job on the refinish, it looks immaculate.
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Old January 25, 2011, 08:58 PM   #2835
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Your Model 38 Bodyguard Airweight was manufactured in 1976 or 1977. Serial range for those years was J370001 to J670000.
I think the I is a seperate stamping, S&W model numbers don't include letters and the 38-1 was not introduced until 1988.
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Old January 26, 2011, 10:05 AM   #2836
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Hey Radagast, I'm considering buying a model 66-2 4", and am wondering it's age, as I'm only interested in older, pre-MIM, pre-IL models. Ser.# is 138k83*. Thanks again.........M.
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Old January 26, 2011, 11:50 AM   #2837
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Is it possible to get S&W autoloader information in this thread? I have a couple of target pistols I'd like info on, if at all possible. Mods please move if I posted this in the wrong place.

Model 52-1
.38 special
s/n 558xx

Model 41
.22 lr
s/n A4146xx

Also, is there any way to find out when Performance Center guns were made? I bought one used and would like to know.

Thanks again

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Old January 26, 2011, 10:51 PM   #2838
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The Model 52-1 .38 Master Single Action was manufactured between 1963 & 1971. Unfortunately the Standard Catalog of S&W doesn't give a year by year breakdown for autopistols before 1970. The semi-auto serial range starged at 1001 in 1954 and reached 115000 in 1970, with your gun sitting in the middle of that range its not really possible to guesstimate a year, as the serial range was shared with four different models.

The Model 41 .22 Rimfire Single-Action Target Pistol was introduced in in 1957 and continues in production today. Yours dates to 1977-1978. Serial range for those years was A385001 to A475000.

The Standard Catalog of s&W has a seperate section listing Performance Center guns. If it is a pre 2004 gun it should be listed. Give me the details as to model, any special specs and I'll look it up for you. Serial numbers are not necessecarily going to date it as the Performance Center guns did not always use the consecutive serial numbers of the main factory.
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Old January 26, 2011, 10:55 PM   #2839
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That makes it a 1982 gun. Pre IL, pre MIM. Not pinned and recessed though. For future reference the use of MIM parts started halfway through the 66-4 production on 1997. The ILS was introduced in 2002 with the 66-6.
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Old January 27, 2011, 11:14 AM   #2840
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4 more for dates please, all are pre-lock:

#1 blued 17-2 Serrated Trigger looks case hardened
a) .22LR
b) 6"
c) Square Butt
d) 6 shot
e) Adjustable rear, blade front with orange paint
f)K7057xx
g) 17-2

#2 S.S. 629-3 Serrated trigger, Target Hammer
a) 44 Magnum
b) 6.5"
c) Round Butt
d)6 shot
e)Adjustable rear, orange insert front
f)BNF58xx
g)629-3

#3 S.S. 686-2 Smooth Trigger
a).357 Magnum
b)4"
c) Square Butt
d)6 shot
e)Adjustable rear, orange insert front
f) AZA91xx
g) 686-2

#4 S.S. 64-6 Bobbed hammer D.A.O, Smooth Trigger
a) .38 Spcl
b)4"
c)Round Butt
d)6 shot
e)trench rear, fixed serrated front blade
f) CDA10xx
g)64-6

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Old January 27, 2011, 06:21 PM   #2841
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Just inherited a S&W

The revolver has tthe following features:

.38 Special CTG
six inch barrel
four screws on the side plate and on in front of the trigger guard
nickel plated (APPEARS ORIGINAL)
fixed blade front sight
serial number 348211 on the butt, cylinder and bottom of barrel
58905 under the crane

I hope someone can tell me the model and approximate date of manufacture.
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Old January 28, 2011, 07:09 AM   #2842
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You have a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 4th Change manufactured in 1917 or 1920.
Depending on who is making the claim heat treatment of cylinders began in either 1917 or 1919 at serial number 316648. Serial numbers in the 358xxx range shipped in December 1920.
Although your cylinder has been heat treated I would still avoid using PlusP or +P+ marked ammunition in your gun as the quality of the steel may not be up to the increased pressures. Stick to standard velocity loads.
Your gun also predates the internal hammer block safety introduced during World War II. If dropped it could fire. It would be prudent to leave the hammer under the chamber empty if the gun is kept loaded.
In 1957 the Military & Police became the Model 10, but there are few if any parts that are interchangeable with the modern version as there have been some 17 design changes since the 1920s.
Second hand spare parts can be obtained from www.gunpartscorp.com
Nickel was a factory finish, it could also be had as a factory refinish. If the hammer and trigger are not nickeled and the stampings are deep and precise then its likely to be a factory finish.
348211 is the serial number, 58905 is an assembly number used to track parts in the factory, it has no meaning after the gun is assembled.
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Old January 28, 2011, 07:18 AM   #2843
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737Driver:
Your Model 17-2 K22 Masterpiece dates to 1966.

Model 629-3 .44 Magnum dates to around March 1993. If it has the full underlug barrel it is a .44 Magnum Classic Stainless. If it has a partial underlug barrel it is a .44 Magnum Stainless.

Your Model 686-2 Distinguished Combat Magnum dates to between January & July 1988.

Your Model 64-6 .38 Military & Police Stainless dates to around January 1999.
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Old January 28, 2011, 09:30 AM   #2844
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Thanks radagast,
The 629 is the full underlug classic series. I appreciate all the help.
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Old January 29, 2011, 11:12 AM   #2845
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I just rescued a pre10 2" but cannot find much data

a) 38 spl
b) 2"
c) original wood diamond, square butt
d) 6 shot
e) fixed sites with a half moon front
f) C to the left side bottom of frame/butt with the numbers C 27786
g) Only markings on crane is 38 326

I just love the way it fits my hand/grip. The trigger is smooth a glass.. luv it!
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Old January 29, 2011, 01:52 PM   #2846
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Model 36 no dash
2" barrel
5 shot
Round butt
pinned barrel
serial # 607283

BTW, gun is PERFECT. No indication she has ever even been shot. Just wish I had the box too.

Thanks in advance for the DOB
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Old January 29, 2011, 09:50 PM   #2847
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I have a S&W 38 spec with patent dates 3-27-1894, 5-21-1898, 8-4-1898, 12-22-1898, 10-8-1901, 12-17-1901, and 2-8-1908 on top of the barrel.
on the side of the barrel it has 38 S&W Special and under that U.S. Service CTG's. a serial number ubder the barrel of 106223.
the serial number the grip is blurred but appears to be 106223 also.
It's the 5 screw, the barrel looks like a "sewer pipe" and the top strap has a deep burn over the cylinder gap.
It also has a round grip butt.
I've shot it and it shoots pretty good but I'm wondering 2 things, first should I continue to shoot it (probabily not) and just how old is this weapon?
It's been reblued so there may no be much value there since the S&W logo is almost gone.
Thanks guys

The barrel is 5 inches, it's a 6 shot 38 special with fixed sights

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Old January 29, 2011, 10:20 PM   #2848
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Bboomer:
Your .38 Military & Police Post War was manufactured in the period 1948 to 1951. Serial range for those years was C1 to C223998, so 1948 seems likely. 38 326 is an assembly number used to track parts in the factory, it has no meaning after the gun is completed.

No Quarter:
Your Model 36 Chiefs Special dates to the period 1962-1969. Serial range for those years was 295000 to 786544. The following will help refine the age down:
If the cylinder release latch is flat then it is from 1962-1966.
If the cylinder release latch is concave then 1966-1969.
If the grips are original and there is an uncheckered diamond around the grip screws, 1968 or earlier.
If the grips are original and the checkering runs up to the grip screws, 1968 or later.
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Old January 29, 2011, 10:30 PM   #2849
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You have a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 1st Change manufactured between 1906 & 1909 in the serial range 73251 to 146899.
Unless it is a factory refinish (denoted by a star stamped beside the serial number) it will have little collectors value. In 2006 the Standard Catalog od S&W gave a value of $225 in good condition, $285 in very good condition.
As for safety:
Your gun lacks the positive internal hammer block safety introduced during World War II. If dropped it could fire. A death from a dropped gun lead to the development of the positive hammer block that is still used today. If kept loaded it would be prudent to leave the chamber under the hammer empty.
Your gun also predates heat treatment of cylinders, so I recommend you do not shoot any jacketed, semi jacketed, PlusP or +P+ ammunition through it. Stick to standard velocity lead loads only and you should be safe. The common load at the time would have been 158 grain lead round nose and the sights are probably regulated for that. Target wadcutters will be fine as well.
I recommend you use the revolver checkout thread stickied in this subforum to make sure the gun is mechanically safe. Other than these caveats, I would feel safe shooting your gun.
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Old January 30, 2011, 04:17 PM   #2850
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model 30-1
3'' Barrel
32 S&W Long
Blued
6-shot
wood grips
With blue box
S/N: 762064


a model 629 mountain gun
I believe its a 4'' barrel
.45 colt
Stainless
6 shot
rubber grips
S/N: CAS 0413


A model 29-4
6'' barrel I think
blued
6 shot
44 Mag
rubber grips
S/N: BDY7322
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