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Old June 20, 2013, 09:27 AM   #5026
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Thanks Radagast

Your ending sentiment re: the kilt made me laugh out loud - my Irish Ancestry has helped me see reality in such quotes - a true Irish blessing

RE: my #@ Thanks very much for your help - I feel better about the rough condition considering the year likely produced - one comment though the handle is Wood - would that be an after market product?

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Old June 20, 2013, 09:31 AM   #5027
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Additional comment to Radagast

Sir - I could be wrong about the grips - they look and feel like wood - especailly on the inside - don't want to scratch them to be sure even on the inside - perhaps a really hard rubber that looks a lot like plastic could be correct - I will take it to a gun shop and ask. Thanks again, Papa Shark
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Old June 20, 2013, 09:46 AM   #5028
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I've just looked up the grips in the Standard Catalog of S&W. Definitely hard rubber, the timber grips for that model were walnut. "The red mottles stocks may also be found on all frame sizes produced in the era from about 1879 to 1882. Blue and green mottled variations have been reported."

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Old June 20, 2013, 04:51 PM   #5029
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I came across a couple other Smith's.
#1 is a smith model 586
- 6" bbl
- blued
- Adjustable sights
- Smooth woden grips with a medallion S&W on both sides. Matching numbers on both grips.
- AEM4599x
- Square butt

The second is a stainless model 65-6
- 4" bbl
- stainless
- Fixed sight affair
- had no grips. Houge on her now.
- CER565xx
- round butt

And the third is a model 29-3
- 6" bbl
- Blued finish. In bad shape the finish is.
- Adjustable (broken) rear sight.
- Houge grips on her.
- AFR55xx
- Square butt
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Old June 21, 2013, 04:47 PM   #5030
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Might as well see what year my Model 10-10 police trade in is.

4" barrel
Square butt.
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Old June 21, 2013, 07:50 PM   #5031
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.357 cal
4" heavy barrel/ stainless
square grip
Fixwd sights
Ser # ABS9924
Mod. 65-3
Many thanks,
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Old June 22, 2013, 12:12 AM   #5032
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birddog:
Your Model 65-3 .357 Magnum Military & Police Heavy Barrel Stainless was manufactured in 1983.

kudu:
Your Model 10-10 .38 Military & Police heavy barrel was manufactured in late 1988 or early 1989, with 1988 being likely.

792mauser:
Your Model 586 .357 Magnum Distinguished Combat Magnum was manufactured in 1984.

Your Model 65-6 .357 Magnum Military & Police Heavy Barrel Stainless was manufactured in 2001.

Your Model 29-4 .44 Magnum was manufactured in 1984.
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Old June 22, 2013, 03:17 PM   #5033
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My first gun

Thanks for any help, any information is appreciated

- 357 - 686
- 6"
- Square buttt frame, rubber grips
- 6 shot
- fixed sight
- AYD5907

Let me know if I am missing some info

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Old June 22, 2013, 03:40 PM   #5034
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jpatter:
Your Model 686 Distinguished Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in 1987. It should be marked 686-1 or 686-2.
If the gun has no -1 or -2 marking, or if it is marked -1, then it is subject to a recall. With some magnum ammunition the primer can flow back into the firing pin bushing, locking up the gun. Under the recall S&W will pay shipping both ways and install a new firing pin and bushing.
If the gun has been modified under the recall there will be an M stamped near the Model 686 marking under the cylinder yoke. If not marked then give S&W a call and they will send you a shipping label.
If the rear sight is fixed (groove in the back strap) then the gun is a Model 681 Distinguished Service Magnum Stainless. The adjustable rear sight is black with a white outline around the rear notch. The Model 681 is also subject to the recall.
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Old June 22, 2013, 04:01 PM   #5035
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Wow, thank you very much for the quick response, it is stamped M686-1.

Thanks for the info.
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Old June 22, 2013, 04:33 PM   #5036
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The info is much appreciated. Thank you for taking time to do this for me and everyone.
These Smith's are sweet!
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Old June 23, 2013, 05:50 AM   #5037
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if it is stamped Model M686-1 then it has been modified and you are good to go.
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Old June 23, 2013, 10:54 AM   #5038
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I am interested in the heritage of my 686-2, 4", serial bar6735
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Old June 23, 2013, 03:36 PM   #5039
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a) 32
b) ?
c) ?how can i tell?
d) 6
e)permanent
f) 54424 by apple n at butt 33312
g) it says 32 Winchester OTG
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Old June 23, 2013, 08:20 PM   #5040
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Thanks Radagast, really appreciate the time you take with everyone.
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Old June 23, 2013, 09:11 PM   #5041
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My father's store gun

I believe it to be a model 1905, my father, his dad and his grandfather all had mom and pop grocery stores until finally, in the 1970's, the neighborhood just got too dangerous. Every morning, my dad ate breakfast, strapped this sidearm on, and drove to pick up my grandfather and uncle to go to work. It was always kept in his closet, with the other guns, and of course, his closet was off limits, and we understood the punishment for disobeying that rule! Serial # 535123
Nickel plated, 5 inch barrel,, 38 special, i inherited this firearm after my father passed away, it shoots better than i do! Thank you for any info
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Old June 23, 2013, 10:58 PM   #5042
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G'dale Mike:
Your dads gun is a .38 Military & Police Model of 1905 4th Change manufactured circa 1927. Guns in the 500000 to 6240000 range shipped between 1927 & 1932. With the onset of the Great Depression in 1928 shipments would have slowed dramatically, so I think its safe to call your gun a 1927 build, with a slight chance of 1928.
It predates the internal hammer block safety introduced in WWII after a fatality with a dropped gun. Treat it as a five shooter, leaving the chamber under the hammer empty.
Personally I would avoid PlusP and jacketed ammo in this old gun even though the cylinder is heat treated and it should be safe. All of the guns with replacement barrels that have been posted in this thread came from the 1920s or earlier, my guess is that in the 30s they refined the steel or the heat treatment process.

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Its actually '32 Winchester CTG' CTG being an abbreviation of Cartridge. The actual caliber is .32-20.
If the number on the butt is 33312 then that is the serial number, and it is a .32-20 Hand Ejector Mode of 1905 1st Change manufactured in 1909.
If the number on the butt is 54424 then you have a .32-20 Hand Ejector Model of 1905 3rd Change manufactured between 1909 & 1915 in the serial range 45201 to 65700. Assuming a fairly constant rate of production, 1911 seems likely.
Barrel length is measured from the forcing cone in front of the cylinder to the muzzle.
Finish would be blued (may appear black) or nickel (looks like stainless).
Generally for that model the square butt had timber grips and the round butt black hard rubber.
1st Change, 3rd Change refer to the first and second minor design changes to the Model of 1905, which was a major design change from the Model of 1902.
Your gun lacks a heat treated cylinder. Modern lead only ammunition is loaded to be safe in it. Jacketed ammunition is probably old and loaded to rifle only pressures. Rifle only rounds can bulge the barrel, so stick to lead ammo.
It also predates the internal hammer block safety introduced in WWII after a fatality with a dropped gun. Treat it as a five shooter, leaving the chamber under the hammer empty.

JoelSteinbach;
Your Model 686-2 Distinguished Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in 1988.
The 686 & its L frame were designed as a replacement for the Model 66 K frame. Both are medium framed guns, the L frame has a slightly larger cylinder window, cylinder, top strap and forcing cone. This helps reduce the chance of the gun developing cylinder end shake and cracking the forcing cone, which was a known issue with the K frame when shot with lightweight .357 Magnums. The -2 indicates a design change that handled the only real issue effecting reliability that the 686 had, an oversize firing pin bushing.
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Old June 24, 2013, 05:58 PM   #5043
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Old June 24, 2013, 09:55 PM   #5044
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Radagast

Thank you fior the info. This handgun has an esteemed place in my safe and infrequently has some very old wadcutters run through it. Thank u again for the historical service you provide
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Old June 27, 2013, 06:48 PM   #5045
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Hi yer Radagast,
Got a new/recycled PM? Kevski has a biiig job ahead of him.

Can you please give me a little info on this Triple Lock, please?
.455
6"
Square
6 shot
fixed sight
#2098

On second thoughts - I checked back to when I queried my friends Grandad's service .455 & this one came off the assembly line about 30 revolvers earlier...

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Old June 27, 2013, 07:56 PM   #5046
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Two Triple Locks? I'm jealous!
Now you need to apply the Peter M. Eick method of collecting .38/44 Heavy Duties to Triple Locks and try and get the 29 in between. :P
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Old June 28, 2013, 03:47 AM   #5047
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38 special 1 7/8in round 5 shoot fixed sights model 637 che1980
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Old June 28, 2013, 04:49 AM   #5048
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Your Model 637 Chiefs Special Airweight Stainless was manufactured in late 2003 or early 2004. Guns in the CHExxxx range shipped in February 2004.
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Old June 28, 2013, 03:54 PM   #5049
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Pre 27

Just acquired at LGS .357 3 3/4 inch S&W S. 110xxx Nickel looks original but cant r/o redo.
90% condition In present state
Front sight has red insert ....anyhow bought under $700 tight with super slick action.

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Old June 29, 2013, 01:02 AM   #5050
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S110xxx means an N frame .357 magnum manufactured in 1954 or 1955. Serial range for those years was S103000 to S139999.
AFAIK the red ramp was not introduced until the late 1960s, so it may have been re-barreled or sent back to the factory to have an insert fitted.

If the barrel is marked Highway Patrolman then it is a Pre-Model 28 and was re-finished as these were a blued gun.

If it not marked Highway Patrolman then it is a Pre-Model 27, or the post war successor to the original Registered Magnum. These did come as Nickel.
Barrel length will be 3.5 inches or 4 inches. A 3.5 inch barrel will have the muzzle almost flush with the end of the ejector rod shroud, the 4 inch barrel will have the muzzle just over half an inch past the shroud.
a 3.5 inch barrel is definitely a Pre-Model 27 (Model numbers were introduced in 1957). If a Pre-Model 27 then you paid a good price. If the top strap is checkered then its a Pre-Model 27, refinished or not. If no checkering then its a Pre-Model 28.
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