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Old March 11, 2009, 01:31 PM   #651
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Radagast..

Thank you for the help.
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Old March 11, 2009, 05:02 PM   #652
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Bill Boucher: You have a Military & Police Model of 1905 4th change. These where manufactured between 1915 & 1942 in a serial number range 241704 to 1000000. The Standard Catalog of S&W notes that a special order of these guns was shipped to the Texas State Prison between 1927 & 1930 in the serial number range 500000 to 630000, which narrows your date range down a bit. The square butt is noted as being rare.
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Old March 12, 2009, 11:06 AM   #653
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RADAGAST- thanks for a quick helpful reply- bill
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Old March 12, 2009, 05:13 PM   #654
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dob

hi,
Inherited from my Dad, can I get the DOB? any idea of orig. value & as is value? I have the original grips too.
.38 special
3in barrel
6 shot
adj sights
Ivory grips
K157xxx



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Old March 12, 2009, 05:31 PM   #655
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It's a 4" (pre-Model 15), K-38 Combat Masterpiece.
(Revolver barrels are measured from the muzzle to the face of the cylinder)

Serial number dates it to 1952.

I would be hard pressed to put a value on it.
The gun, minus the engraving & ivory grips, would be in the $400 - $450 range in used excellent condition.

If the engraving was done by the factory, it would easily double or triple the value I would think.
(I don't think it is factory engraving, but I can't really see the detail clear enough. Appears to be a purple tint to the blue in the first picture, which indicates it was re-blued after engraving by someone other then S&W.)

You might want to request a S&W Factory Letter and see how the gun was shipped when new.

There is a $50.00 dollar charge for the service, but if it is factory engraved, it would be money well spent to prove it.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...ectionId=10504

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Old March 12, 2009, 05:34 PM   #656
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Wow, what a beauty. That would qualify for safe queen in my house.
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Old March 12, 2009, 05:53 PM   #657
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Thanks for the quik reply,
OOPs barrel length was typo on my part.
I know for sure the ingraving was done in Japan while he was in the Navy.

Thanks rswartsell, its the queen and a permanent resident in my safe as well
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Old March 14, 2009, 10:06 AM   #658
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a) 38 special
b) 4 inch
c) square
d) 6
e) adjustable
f) K664xxx
g) 15-2

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Old March 14, 2009, 10:40 AM   #659
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M 19 (no dash), factory nickle 4"...........K390XXX.


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Old March 14, 2009, 01:33 PM   #660
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Mr. Fox, your 15 "Masterpiece" is from 1966.

dogrunner, that "Combat Masterpiece" is from 1960.

boy, I'd love to see pictures of those fine older guns.
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Old March 14, 2009, 10:15 PM   #661
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First, thanks for running this thread...
This was not a good way to acquire a firearm, but my sister gave me her husband's revolver because he is deep into Alzheimers. The gun looks almost new but I think it's fairly old. The bluing is perfect, and I can see no signs of wear (but then I don't know what to look for). It came in the original box, with the factory waxed paper wrapper, and with a warranty dated April 15, 1955, under the top of the box. A little Googling tells me it's got the "lazy" ampersand in two places on the right side (standard ampersand on the left). I just got it and haven't fired it yet, but I'm looking forward to that.

a) .38 S&W Special
b) 4 inches
c) square
d) 6
e) fixed.
f) C7885xx
g) 10-5
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Old March 15, 2009, 06:46 AM   #662
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vwbabbler: The 10-5 was introduced in 1962, according to the Standard Catalog of S&W the serial number range C622700 to C810532 was used between 1963 & 1965. I would guess that the warranty card should read 1965, otherwise it is probably from a different gun.

The box is potentially worth a few dollars to a collector, especially if it one of the gold variety, the blue boxes are not worth as much.

I'm sorry to hear about your brother in law, that's a hard way to go.


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Old March 15, 2009, 09:10 AM   #663
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Thanks for the info. I think I'll have a gunsmith look at it before I take it to the range. Knowing my brother-in-law, it's possible the gun has never been fired. It came with an old box of cartridges, and they were all there, intact.
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Old March 15, 2009, 10:00 AM   #664
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I would guess that the warranty card should read 1965,
Just to clarify, it's a printed warranty, but not a card. It's on the box lid. This was how it was done from the '50s until some time in the late '60s, I believe. It is likely the original box.

VWbabbler if you go here:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=1430

It will give you the information you need to know to evaluate the gun yourself. If you know a gunsmith you, that's preferable, but in case that's not convenient, this resource should suffice.
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Old March 15, 2009, 10:52 AM   #665
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I had another look and it's the original box. The serial number, model number, etc, are all printed, by hand, on a label on the outside edge of the box. Turns out the warranty information is printed on the inside of the bottom of the box, not the lid. Thanks for that link, Oro. I'll check it out.
If the gun appears to be unfired, should I keep it that way?
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Old March 15, 2009, 11:48 AM   #666
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In 2006 the SCSW gave $500 as the value for a post war Miltary & Police as new in the box. There were literally millions made, so you won't get rich on the sale of it.
Personally I would shoot it, but only you can decide what value it has for you.

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Old March 15, 2009, 12:51 PM   #667
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Thanks, that settles it. I'll start with that box of 50 old cartridges.
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Old March 15, 2009, 08:42 PM   #668
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DOB please:

a) 38 special
b) 4 inch
c) round i think (can you confirm?)
d) 6
e) fixed
f) 12D71xx
g) 12-3

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Old March 15, 2009, 08:59 PM   #669
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DOB please?



a) 38 S & W Special Ctg & US Service Ctg
b) 4 inch
c) round
d) 6 Shot Cylinder
e) fixed
f) 9112
g) -


No Ejector Rod Lug under Barrel, Black HR Socks...



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Old March 15, 2009, 09:08 PM   #670
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mdf60: The Model 12 was introduced in 1952 as the .38 Military & Police Airweight. It is built on the K frame with an alloy frame. Early production had an alloy cylinder that was prone to cracking. The model 12 designation was introduced in 1957 and was made with both round and square butt frames. the 12-3 variant was introduced in 1977. Production ceased in 1986.

Model 12 variants made prior to the introduction of the 12-4 in 1984 have a slightly thinner frame than steel K frames, so non model 12 grips will not be a perfect fit.

Your gun falls in the serial number range for 1982, 9D44501-17D8900. This was the year that the pinned barrel was deleted. Common barrel lengths were two and four inches.
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Old March 15, 2009, 09:15 PM   #671
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Oyeboten: You have a .38 Military & Police 1st Model (Model of 1899 Army-Navy Revolver), manufactured from 1899 to 1902, in the serial number range 1-20975. In excellent condition the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $1200 in 2006. Your revolver is the earliest ancestor of today's model 10, model 64 and model 67 revolvers, it was the first swing out cylinder .38 special revolver. Pics would be appreciated by the gun nerds here, me included. :P
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Old March 15, 2009, 11:56 PM   #672
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Great thread! I was hoping I could get a dob on my late Father's S&W. Here are the specs:

.38 Special
4 inch barrel
Square butt grips (checkered wood)
6 shot
Fixed sights
Serial # 381029 (taken from butt and face of cylinder - no letters)

Thanks for any information you can provide!
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Old March 16, 2009, 12:22 AM   #673
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KVS: Your gun coould be one of two models. If it is has the Large N frame, most commonly associated with the .357 magnum and .44 magnum, then it is a pre-war .38/44 Heavy Duty. Introduced in 1930, this used the .44 Hand Ejector frame and was chambered in .38 special, designed for the .38 Super Police, a high velocity .38 Special, it was the predecessor to the .357 magnum. Manufactured in the .44 Hand Ejector serial number range from 35037 to 62335 between 1930 & 1941. If it is the Heavy Duty it will have a shroud for the extractor rod under the barrel.The Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value in excellent condition of $750 in 2006.

If it has a medium K frame then it is a .38 Military & Police Model of 1902 - 1st Change. The barrel should be marked .38 S&W Special CTG & US Service CTG with a round butt. There should be a locking lug for the extractor rod but the rod itself should not be shrouded. Serial number range was 33804-62449, manufactured between 1903 & 1904. In excellent condition the SCSW gave a value of $600 in 2006.
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Old March 16, 2009, 12:37 AM   #674
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Thanks for info Radagast! Would you happen to know where i could get the original round butt magna grips for this gun?
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Old March 16, 2009, 12:39 AM   #675
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Info on my "Nerd"

Hello Brian, can you help me with my "Nerd" (aka Pocket Protector):
a) caliber: .38 spl
b) bbl length: 1 7/8"
c) grips shape: round butt
d) number of shots/cylinder bores: 5 shots
e) type of sights: fixed ramp serrated front, kind of narrow. Groove cut in topstrap
f) serial number, and if there is a letter in front of or anywhere near the s/n on the bottom of the grip: 477251.
g) Model number if it is under the crane.
That number, if it is the s/n, should come from the butt of the grip (or under the barrel or face of the cylinder): On the crane - a 5 digit number with #S. and what looks sort of like a ? mark

Hope you can help,
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