Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers - Page 39

Radagast · May 18, 2009, 05:54 AM

Cyclopesshooter:

C119xxx: 1948-51.

N768xxx: 1980.

C564xxx: 1961-62.

Radagast · May 18, 2009, 06:18 AM

Oyeboten: The other author is Charles Pate:

http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Handguns-W...2641424&sr=1-1

cyclopsshooter · May 18, 2009, 10:32 PM

one last one

a) .38 special
b) 3"
c) square butt
d) 6 shot
e) fixed
f) 2d77XXX
g) 10-5

thankyou for all the help

Radagast · May 19, 2009, 05:44 AM

Cyclopesshooter: 1977.

bannockburn · May 19, 2009, 08:02 AM

Model: 686 no dash

Serial: AFE 71XX

Barrel: 4"

I'm looking for the date it was made for estate valuation purposes. Thanks in advance for your help.

Radagast · May 19, 2009, 10:20 AM

Bannockburn: Between November 1984 & January 1985.

bannockburn · May 19, 2009, 11:29 AM

Thanks Radagast for the info; helps answer that question.

rjheff · May 19, 2009, 12:07 PM

629-1
4"
AFZ 89xx
Thanks

kanook · May 19, 2009, 12:09 PM

A) 38s&w B) 5" C) square D) 6 shots E) fixed F) V917XX , It has Canadian proofs on it. just wondering when it was made and if I should try to get it lettered. everything matches including the grips (I sure do wish this thing could talk)

--------next firearm A) 455 B) 6 3/8 C) square D) 6 shots E) fixed F) 615XX , this is a lend lease with british proofs, all matching

Revolver Ocelot · May 19, 2009, 12:52 PM

testing

Radagast · May 19, 2009, 08:10 PM

rjheff: Between November 1984 & January 1985.

kanook: Your first gun is a .38/200 British Service Revolver. Correct caliber is .38 S&W, some were bored out after WWII to accept .38 Special. With that serial number it should date to 1942. Personally I would invest the $50 in a factory letter just to satisfy my own curiosity.

Your second gun is a .455 Mark II Hand Ejector 2nd Model, manufactured between 1915 & 1917. These were manufactured for Canada (14,500) & England (59150).

the .455 wouldn't have been lend lease, as that was a WWII programme to allow the USA to resupply Britain. Your .38/200 may have been lend lease, or purchased by the British military purchasing commission or ordered directly by Canada.

kanook · May 20, 2009, 09:25 AM

thanks for the input. I wondred about the 455 and was told it was a lend lease, but I could never find the lend lease marks and the fact that it isn't marked us property I always thought that it wasn't. it does have the crossed flags on it (British?) not the C with arrow in it (Canadian). I guess that I will get both of them lettered.

rjheff · May 20, 2009, 10:03 AM

Radagast
Thanks

Radagast · May 20, 2009, 10:59 AM

kanook: Per the SCSW the crossed pennants are a Canadian marking.

kanook · May 20, 2009, 02:26 PM

holy crap

dude I love you. you have no Idea on how happy to know that makes me.

Oyeboten · May 21, 2009, 05:29 AM

Hi Radagast,

Smith & Wesson Model 58
.41 Magnum
Blue
4 inch Barrel
Square Butt
Serial Number N178XXX

Weren't these usually an "S" prefix?

Phil

**Brian Williams** · May 21, 2009, 09:07 AM

Oyeboten, they were in both S and N serial numbers, and I am envious of you I would love a 58.
I am not home so I don't have my book with me, but Radagast will be by soon.

Radagast · May 21, 2009, 09:59 AM

Oyeboten: The S series was implemented for N frames (not including the .45ACP Double Action Army) in 1946, and continued until 1970. The N series began to replace the S series in 1969 and continued until 1986.

Your model 58 .41 Magnum Military & Police should date to 1973, when the S1xxxxx series was used. Interestingly the SCSW says that the Model 58 was introduced in 1964 & discontinued in 1969, with 20,287 manufactured between 1964 & 1977. I can only assume that either a) it was still available on special order until 1977 or b) all the frames were manufactured prior to 1970 with later assembly or c) Supica & Nahass made a mistake. If they did I forgive them. :P

infomercialscams · May 22, 2009, 04:51 AM

I am been looking over and researching about the best type of bear defense gun/hiking/outdoor gun to purchase for the summer. I am planning to spend a lot of time in the forest doing hiking through trails and camping.

Radagast · May 22, 2009, 05:32 AM

infomerchialscams: I suggest you start a new thread to discuss your question, or use the search function as the topic gets done to death every other week. This thread is for researching the date of manufacture of old S&W revolvers.

MMCSRET · May 23, 2009, 01:39 PM

Help on DOB of Model 57-1 s/n N929XXX
Model 10-6 s/n D878XXX
Thank you for the service!!!!

Radagast · May 24, 2009, 02:33 AM

MMCSRET:
Your 57-1was made between 1982 & 1986, probably closer to 1986, the highest N series number listed in the Standard Catalog of S&W was N97xxxx in 1986.

Your 10-6 was made between 1976 & 1977, probably early in 1976 as the serial number range for that year starts at D870001.

MMCSRET · May 24, 2009, 09:47 AM

Radagast: Thank you!!!!

cbt5020 · May 24, 2009, 08:38 PM

Model 19-5
Serial # ABL 8XXX
98-99%
pics found here! http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=452079

Thanks in advance!
Caleb

Radagast · May 25, 2009, 12:46 AM

cbt5020: Most likely January 1983, possibly February. The 19-5 was made from 1982 to 1988.

May 18, 2009, 05:54 AM	#951
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	Cyclopesshooter: C119xxx: 1948-51. N768xxx: 1980. C564xxx: 1961-62. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 18, 2009, 06:18 AM	#952
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	Oyeboten: The other author is Charles Pate: http://www.amazon.com/U-S-Handguns-W...2641424&sr=1-1 __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 18, 2009, 10:32 PM	#953
cyclopsshooter Member Join Date: May 13, 2009 Location: The Shadow Knows... Posts: 2,189	one last one a) .38 special b) 3" c) square butt d) 6 shot e) fixed f) 2d77XXX g) 10-5 thankyou for all the help __________________ The republic is not dead, it just needs its split ends trimmed.

May 19, 2009, 05:44 AM	#954
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	Cyclopesshooter: 1977. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 19, 2009, 08:02 AM	#955
bannockburn Member Join Date: April 24, 2007 Posts: 4,990	Model: 686 no dash Serial: AFE 71XX Barrel: 4" I'm looking for the date it was made for estate valuation purposes. Thanks in advance for your help. __________________ "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age."-Obi Wan Kenobi

May 19, 2009, 10:20 AM	#956
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	Bannockburn: Between November 1984 & January 1985. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 19, 2009, 11:29 AM	#957
bannockburn Member Join Date: April 24, 2007 Posts: 4,990	Thanks Radagast for the info; helps answer that question. __________________ "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age."-Obi Wan Kenobi

May 19, 2009, 12:07 PM	#958
rjheff Member Join Date: April 17, 2009 Location: SW PA Posts: 23	629-1 4" AFZ 89xx Thanks

May 19, 2009, 12:09 PM	#959
kanook Member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Posts: 1,775	A) 38s&w B) 5" C) square D) 6 shots E) fixed F) V917XX , It has Canadian proofs on it. just wondering when it was made and if I should try to get it lettered. everything matches including the grips (I sure do wish this thing could talk) --------next firearm A) 455 B) 6 3/8 C) square D) 6 shots E) fixed F) 615XX , this is a lend lease with british proofs, all matching __________________ Ruger Old Army Club ... #3 Last edited by kanook; May 19, 2009 at 12:11 PM. Reason: I know victory and 1917

May 19, 2009, 12:52 PM	#960
Revolver Ocelot Member Join Date: December 4, 2006 Posts: 1,203	testing __________________ Six bullets. More than enough to kill anything that moves. Got a 3" Ruger Speed Six you'd like to sell? PM me

May 19, 2009, 08:10 PM	#961
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	rjheff: Between November 1984 & January 1985. kanook: Your first gun is a .38/200 British Service Revolver. Correct caliber is .38 S&W, some were bored out after WWII to accept .38 Special. With that serial number it should date to 1942. Personally I would invest the $50 in a factory letter just to satisfy my own curiosity. Your second gun is a .455 Mark II Hand Ejector 2nd Model, manufactured between 1915 & 1917. These were manufactured for Canada (14,500) & England (59150). the .455 wouldn't have been lend lease, as that was a WWII programme to allow the USA to resupply Britain. Your .38/200 may have been lend lease, or purchased by the British military purchasing commission or ordered directly by Canada. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 20, 2009, 09:25 AM	#962
kanook Member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Posts: 1,775	thanks for the input. I wondred about the 455 and was told it was a lend lease, but I could never find the lend lease marks and the fact that it isn't marked us property I always thought that it wasn't. it does have the crossed flags on it (British?) not the C with arrow in it (Canadian). I guess that I will get both of them lettered. __________________ Ruger Old Army Club ... #3

May 20, 2009, 10:03 AM	#963
rjheff Member Join Date: April 17, 2009 Location: SW PA Posts: 23	Radagast Thanks

May 20, 2009, 10:59 AM	#964
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	kanook: Per the SCSW the crossed pennants are a Canadian marking. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 20, 2009, 02:26 PM	#965
kanook Member Join Date: February 27, 2009 Posts: 1,775	holy crap dude I love you. you have no Idea on how happy to know that makes me. __________________ Ruger Old Army Club ... #3

May 21, 2009, 05:29 AM	#966
Oyeboten Member Join Date: March 23, 2008 Posts: 3,696	Hi Radagast, Smith & Wesson Model 58 .41 Magnum Blue 4 inch Barrel Square Butt Serial Number N178XXX Weren't these usually an "S" prefix? Phil

May 21, 2009, 09:07 AM	#967
Brian Williams Moderator Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: Phnom Penh, Cambodia Posts: 9,360	Oyeboten, they were in both S and N serial numbers, and I am envious of you I would love a 58. I am not home so I don't have my book with me, but Radagast will be by soon. __________________ Watch out for the Stobor A teacher can never truly teach unless they are still learning themselves.

May 21, 2009, 09:59 AM	#968
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	Oyeboten: The S series was implemented for N frames (not including the .45ACP Double Action Army) in 1946, and continued until 1970. The N series began to replace the S series in 1969 and continued until 1986. Your model 58 .41 Magnum Military & Police should date to 1973, when the S1xxxxx series was used. Interestingly the SCSW says that the Model 58 was introduced in 1964 & discontinued in 1969, with 20,287 manufactured between 1964 & 1977. I can only assume that either a) it was still available on special order until 1977 or b) all the frames were manufactured prior to 1970 with later assembly or c) Supica & Nahass made a mistake. If they did I forgive them. :P __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 22, 2009, 04:51 AM	#969
infomercialscams Member Join Date: May 22, 2009 Posts: 1	I am been looking over and researching about the best type of bear defense gun/hiking/outdoor gun to purchase for the summer. I am planning to spend a lot of time in the forest doing hiking through trails and camping. __________________ DEAN GRAZIOSI REVIEW RATINGS

May 22, 2009, 05:32 AM	#970
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	infomerchialscams: I suggest you start a new thread to discuss your question, or use the search function as the topic gets done to death every other week. This thread is for researching the date of manufacture of old S&W revolvers. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 23, 2009, 01:39 PM	#971
MMCSRET Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: North Central Montana, across the Wide Missouri Posts: 2,935	Help on DOB of Model 57-1 s/n N929XXX Model 10-6 s/n D878XXX Thank you for the service!!!!

May 24, 2009, 02:33 AM	#972
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	MMCSRET: Your 57-1was made between 1982 & 1986, probably closer to 1986, the highest N series number listed in the Standard Catalog of S&W was N97xxxx in 1986. Your 10-6 was made between 1976 & 1977, probably early in 1976 as the serial number range for that year starts at D870001. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

May 24, 2009, 09:47 AM	#973
MMCSRET Member Join Date: February 18, 2008 Location: North Central Montana, across the Wide Missouri Posts: 2,935	Radagast: Thank you!!!!

May 24, 2009, 08:38 PM	#974
cbt5020 Member Join Date: May 24, 2009 Posts: 3	model 19-5 Model 19-5 Serial # ABL 8XXX 98-99% pics found here! http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=452079 Thanks in advance! Caleb

May 25, 2009, 12:46 AM	#975
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,373	cbt5020: Most likely January 1983, possibly February. The 19-5 was made from 1982 to 1988. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy