Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers - Page 52

rcmodel · September 25, 2009, 06:23 PM

No, not a Model of 1905 4th. change.
Those were last made in 1942.

Yours is a modern Model 10-7 M&P tapered barrel, made in 1979.
The Model 10-7 change was first made in 1977 and moved the cylinder gas ring from the yoke to the cylinder to prevent binding.

The 10-8 change was also done in 1977, and involved the same change as the 10-7, only on the heavy barrel model 10.

Your pearl grips are almost certainly aftermarket replacements.
The gun came with checkered diamond style walnut grips.

rc

crazyfire · September 25, 2009, 06:32 PM

Alrighty then....thanks for the info. MY grandfather just gave it too me. Is it worth collecting or is it just another gun? Im not getting rid of it I just wanted to know. Thanks alot

content · September 25, 2009, 11:09 PM

Hello friends and neighbors // Thanks for info. Radagast
Thats 100% more then I could find out or seller could tell me.

TMann · September 26, 2009, 08:38 PM

Hello! I just purchased a 442 from a local gun shop and the gun shop guy told me that this was one of the older 442s that was not supposed to take +P ammo. Could you confirm that information?

a) .38
b) 1 7/8"
c) round
d) 5
e) fixed
f) SN: BPN13xx. Also it says "057" on the crane itself.
g) "Mod 442" (no dashes or other numbers)

Thanks!
TMann

Radagast · September 26, 2009, 09:48 PM

crazyfire: It's not a collectible rare gun, the 10-7 was made from 1977 to 1988, with over a million fixed sight K frame guns made during that period. A large portion would have been the model 10. Its a fine shooter though.

Radagast · September 26, 2009, 09:53 PM

TMann: Your 442 was made between December 1993 & January 1994. The 442 was introduced in 1993.
In 1996 the 442-1 began production with the change to the J magnum frame and was rated for .38 +P.
On the positive side, the original 442 is slightly smaller than the 442-1, which counts when trying to conceal a firearm.

TMann · September 26, 2009, 10:43 PM

Hi Radagast. Thanks a ton. You folks are an amazing source of information.

TMann

PA4476 · September 27, 2009, 07:17 PM

How about a nickel S&W airweight round butt 38 , 2" bbl, mod 37... ser # AYP09XX

Thanks in advance
PA

Radagast · September 27, 2009, 08:11 PM

PA4476: Between January 1986 (AHCxxxx) & July 1987 (AVBxxxx).

PA4476 · September 27, 2009, 08:22 PM

Thankyou very much.

alecj · September 28, 2009, 01:24 PM

I have a question about a pistol I bought in 1965

a) 38 S&W Spl
b) 1 7/8"
c) sq (?)
d) 5
e) fixed
f) 378313
g) Mod. 38

All Mod 38's I have seen seem to refer to a bodyguard version with concealed hammer. Mine is outside. What is the correct reference to this model? Do you have any idea of source of a manual (thrown away due to youthful indescretion? Any guess of value?

rcmodel · September 28, 2009, 01:37 PM

If you have a Model 38 you have an Airweight Bodyguard.
It is a round butt.

The hammer is visable but shielded by the frame so it can't get snagged, but you can still cock it for SA if you want to. As on all Model 38 & Model 49 Bodyguards.

Your pre-J prefex serial number indicates it was made between 1962 (295,000) and 1969 (786,544).
I would guess about 1964-65 probably.

Owners Manual request or download:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...&content=13015

rc

alecj · September 28, 2009, 01:52 PM

Thank you very much for the help. This is a Great Thread!

Alec

alecj · September 28, 2009, 02:14 PM

Having found no pics of a bodyguard Mod38 that looks like min - I don't have a shrouded hammer, I have carfully examined my pistol frame and have decided that Model no is 36, not t38. That's why all the pics I found of chief's specials looked like mine. Does my serial no corresponded with a Chief's Special?

Sorry to be a paid but those number are so small that a 6 can easily look like an 8.

Ian's Dad · September 30, 2009, 07:16 AM

mostly looking for dates and approximate values... visited my dad yesterday and he showed me these in his safe and didn't even know what they were.

Stainless Model 64-3
3" barrell
7D73854

Model 19-3 Nickel Finish
4" barrell
2K67024

thanks for any insight.. i'm especially wondering if the model 19 in nickel is rare.

Radagast · October 1, 2009, 09:53 AM

alecj:
The serial ranges for the model 36 and model 38 are the same, so the date doesn't change.

Ian's Dad:
Your Model 64-3 was made in 1981, your Model 19-3 was made in 1972

Ian's Dad · October 1, 2009, 01:12 PM

thanks as always!

lions · October 2, 2009, 05:20 PM

a. 357 mag
b. 4" bbl
c. square butt
d. 6 shot
e. adj. sights
f. ser. # N7617xx
g. Mod. 27-2

Thanks

rcmodel · October 2, 2009, 05:39 PM

1980

rc

lions · October 2, 2009, 05:40 PM

Thank you sir!

halfded · October 2, 2009, 06:27 PM

I bought this as "new" but the lack of a lock has me wondering.

Model 10-5, by the way.

38 special
2" barrel
square butt
6 shot
fixed sights
D688436

Radagast · October 2, 2009, 08:03 PM

halfded: 1974-1975.

halfded · October 2, 2009, 08:08 PM

So there's a high probability that it's used? plus p safe?

Radagast · October 3, 2009, 03:03 AM

Guns that have been bought and never fired are quite common. If it shows a drag line on the cylinder then the action has been cycled, but it may not have been shot. These are commonly referred to as 'As New In Box".

S&W don't recommend PlusP ammo in any gun made prior to 1957. Yours should be fine. Constant use will show accelerated wear over time, but I doubt you will shoot it enough for it to become a problem.

10mm+P · October 3, 2009, 01:14 PM

Hello and thank you for this Thread!

Mod 66-4
Serial # BSY3xxx
6 shot
2-1/2" barrel
Round butt
Adj. rear sight w/red insert on front sight ramp
Under the grips are more numbers:
L side =A25362
R side =21268 and 294
Inside on the cylinder "crane", the 294 is stamped again

Any info is greatly appreciated!

September 25, 2009, 06:23 PM	#1276
rcmodel Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Eastern KS Posts: 41,899	No, not a Model of 1905 4th. change. Those were last made in 1942. Yours is a modern Model 10-7 M&P tapered barrel, made in 1979. The Model 10-7 change was first made in 1977 and moved the cylinder gas ring from the yoke to the cylinder to prevent binding. The 10-8 change was also done in 1977, and involved the same change as the 10-7, only on the heavy barrel model 10. Your pearl grips are almost certainly aftermarket replacements. The gun came with checkered diamond style walnut grips. rc __________________ Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Or all your primers in a glass jar!

September 26, 2009, 09:48 PM	#1280
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,422	crazyfire: It's not a collectible rare gun, the 10-7 was made from 1977 to 1988, with over a million fixed sight K frame guns made during that period. A large portion would have been the model 10. Its a fine shooter though. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 26, 2009, 09:53 PM	#1281
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,422	TMann: Your 442 was made between December 1993 & January 1994. The 442 was introduced in 1993. In 1996 the 442-1 began production with the change to the J magnum frame and was rated for .38 +P. On the positive side, the original 442 is slightly smaller than the 442-1, which counts when trying to conceal a firearm. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 27, 2009, 08:11 PM	#1284
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,422	PA4476: Between January 1986 (AHCxxxx) & July 1987 (AVBxxxx). __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

September 28, 2009, 01:37 PM	#1287
rcmodel Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Eastern KS Posts: 41,899	If you have a Model 38 you have an Airweight Bodyguard. It is a round butt. The hammer is visable but shielded by the frame so it can't get snagged, but you can still cock it for SA if you want to. As on all Model 38 & Model 49 Bodyguards. Your pre-J prefex serial number indicates it was made between 1962 (295,000) and 1969 (786,544). I would guess about 1964-65 probably. Owners Manual request or download: http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...&content=13015 rc __________________ Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Or all your primers in a glass jar! Last edited by rcmodel; September 28, 2009 at 01:44 PM.

September 25, 2009, 06:32 PM	#1277
crazyfire Member Join Date: September 25, 2009 Posts: 2	Alrighty then....thanks for the info. MY grandfather just gave it too me. Is it worth collecting or is it just another gun? Im not getting rid of it I just wanted to know. Thanks alot

September 25, 2009, 11:09 PM	#1278
content Member Join Date: July 27, 2009 Location: South Carolina, born in Valley Forge Pa. Posts: 1,747	Hello friends and neighbors // Thanks for info. Radagast Thats 100% more then I could find out or seller could tell me.

September 26, 2009, 08:38 PM	#1279
TMann Member Join Date: May 16, 2007 Location: Washington State, U.S.A. Posts: 228	Hello! I just purchased a 442 from a local gun shop and the gun shop guy told me that this was one of the older 442s that was not supposed to take +P ammo. Could you confirm that information? a) .38 b) 1 7/8" c) round d) 5 e) fixed f) SN: BPN13xx. Also it says "057" on the crane itself. g) "Mod 442" (no dashes or other numbers) Thanks! TMann

September 26, 2009, 10:43 PM	#1282
TMann Member Join Date: May 16, 2007 Location: Washington State, U.S.A. Posts: 228	Hi Radagast. Thanks a ton. You folks are an amazing source of information. TMann

September 27, 2009, 07:17 PM	#1283
PA4476 member Join Date: November 27, 2008 Posts: 269	How about a nickel S&W airweight round butt 38 , 2" bbl, mod 37... ser # AYP09XX Thanks in advance PA

September 27, 2009, 08:22 PM	#1285
PA4476 member Join Date: November 27, 2008 Posts: 269	Thankyou very much.

September 28, 2009, 01:24 PM	#1286
alecj Member Join Date: September 28, 2009 Posts: 3	I have a question about a pistol I bought in 1965 a) 38 S&W Spl b) 1 7/8" c) sq (?) d) 5 e) fixed f) 378313 g) Mod. 38 All Mod 38's I have seen seem to refer to a bodyguard version with concealed hammer. Mine is outside. What is the correct reference to this model? Do you have any idea of source of a manual (thrown away due to youthful indescretion? Any guess of value?

September 28, 2009, 01:52 PM	#1288
alecj Member Join Date: September 28, 2009 Posts: 3	Thank you very much for the help. This is a Great Thread! Alec

September 28, 2009, 02:14 PM	#1289
alecj Member Join Date: September 28, 2009 Posts: 3	Having found no pics of a bodyguard Mod38 that looks like min - I don't have a shrouded hammer, I have carfully examined my pistol frame and have decided that Model no is 36, not t38. That's why all the pics I found of chief's specials looked like mine. Does my serial no corresponded with a Chief's Special? Sorry to be a paid but those number are so small that a 6 can easily look like an 8. Last edited by alecj; September 28, 2009 at 02:32 PM.

September 30, 2009, 07:16 AM	#1290
Ian's Dad Member Join Date: July 24, 2009 Posts: 131	two i need some information on mostly looking for dates and approximate values... visited my dad yesterday and he showed me these in his safe and didn't even know what they were. Stainless Model 64-3 3" barrell 7D73854 Model 19-3 Nickel Finish 4" barrell 2K67024 thanks for any insight.. i'm especially wondering if the model 19 in nickel is rare.

October 1, 2009, 09:53 AM	#1291
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,422	alecj: The serial ranges for the model 36 and model 38 are the same, so the date doesn't change. Ian's Dad: Your Model 64-3 was made in 1981, your Model 19-3 was made in 1972 __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

October 1, 2009, 01:12 PM	#1292
Ian's Dad Member Join Date: July 24, 2009 Posts: 131	thanks a ton` thanks as always!

October 2, 2009, 05:20 PM	#1293
lions Member Join Date: April 30, 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,204	a. 357 mag b. 4" bbl c. square butt d. 6 shot e. adj. sights f. ser. # N7617xx g. Mod. 27-2 Thanks __________________ Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. -Ayn Rand

October 2, 2009, 05:39 PM	#1294
rcmodel Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Eastern KS Posts: 41,899	1980 rc __________________ Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Or all your primers in a glass jar!

October 2, 2009, 05:40 PM	#1295
lions Member Join Date: April 30, 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 1,204	Thank you sir! __________________ Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. -Ayn Rand

October 2, 2009, 06:27 PM	#1296
halfded Member Join Date: February 5, 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 820	I bought this as "new" but the lack of a lock has me wondering. Model 10-5, by the way. 38 special 2" barrel square butt 6 shot fixed sights D688436 __________________ Looking for single empty casings to collect! PM me with what you've got! R.I.P. Captain Phil Harris.

October 2, 2009, 08:03 PM	#1297
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,422	halfded: 1974-1975. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

October 2, 2009, 08:08 PM	#1298
halfded Member Join Date: February 5, 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 820	So there's a high probability that it's used? plus p safe? __________________ Looking for single empty casings to collect! PM me with what you've got! R.I.P. Captain Phil Harris.

October 3, 2009, 03:03 AM	#1299
Radagast Member Join Date: December 24, 2002 Posts: 3,422	Guns that have been bought and never fired are quite common. If it shows a drag line on the cylinder then the action has been cycled, but it may not have been shot. These are commonly referred to as 'As New In Box". S&W don't recommend PlusP ammo in any gun made prior to 1957. Yours should be fine. Constant use will show accelerated wear over time, but I doubt you will shoot it enough for it to become a problem. __________________ If you're 6'4" 360, with the scraggly beard wearing a kilt, I think you can leave the guns at home. Just throw on your tartan, grab the nearest sledgehammer, and chase the bad guy down on foot while yelling "REMEMBER WILLIAM WALLACE!!!" If he stops before he hits the state line, splatter him - MGshaggy

October 3, 2009, 01:14 PM	#1300
10mm+P Member Join Date: October 3, 2009 Posts: 2	Hello and thank you for this Thread! Mod 66-4 Serial # BSY3xxx 6 shot 2-1/2" barrel Round butt Adj. rear sight w/red insert on front sight ramp Under the grips are more numbers: L side =A25362 R side =21268 and 294 Inside on the cylinder "crane", the 294 is stamped again Any info is greatly appreciated!