Quantcast
Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers - Page 65 - THR
THR  

Go Back   THR > Tools and Technologies > Handguns: Revolvers

Welcome to THR
You are currently viewing our site as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have, access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!


If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit the help section.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old December 29, 2009, 08:51 PM   #1601
blevins
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 27, 2009
Posts: 2
Radagast, thanks so much on the info on the gun.

The trigger and hammer do have a shiny nickel finish, but the engravings on the gun appear to be original, as if it hasn't been plated after leaving the factory, but I certainly don't assume to know.

I wish I could take a pic, but my camera's on the fritz.

The entire number is---S 816642, if that helps to I.D. the original finish of the gun.

As before, thanks for all the help!!
blevins is offline  
Old December 30, 2009, 08:38 AM   #1602
Radagast
Contributing Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: Australia/OZ
Posts: 4,973
olskool:
In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave the following values:
As New In Box: $1200, Excellent Plus: $450, Excellent: $335, Very Good $250, Good $200, Fair $135. We'd need a hi res photos of both sides and info on whether the timing is correct to be able to categorize it.

JLBANTA:
Barrel length should be either 4 inches with a ramp front sight or 6 inches with a square cut front sight.
If a 6 inch barrel then it's a K22 Masterpiece (later the Model 17).
In 2006 the standard catalog of S&W gave the following values:
ANIB $750, Excellent $600, Very Good $425, Good $350, Fair $250, Poor $185.
If a 4 inch barrel then it's a K-22 Combat Masterpiece (later the Model 18)
In 2006 the standard catalog of S&W gave the following values:
ANIB $525, Excellent $435, Very Good $350, Good $285, Fair $235, Poor $135. Pre model 18s do seem to be going for a bit more than that lately.
Either way, your gun was made in 1954.

blevins:
The only way to be 100% sure is to get a factory letter from Roy Jinks the S&W historian at a cost of $50.00.
S&W color case hardened all their triggers until stainless steel guns became available, when flash chrome for these parts was introduced. color case hardening gave a straw color finish.
Per the Standard Catalog of S&W, post war production of the Military & Police began at S811120 in September 1945, so yours probably dates to late 1945 or early 1946. It has the old long hammer, which is often associated with a very nice double action trigger pull. The original grips would have been checkered walnut. If the grips are real mother of pearl with a S&W emblem inset then they are factory originals. Plastic grips would be aftermarket.
__________________
$25 a year to keep The High Road on line AND block adds? Bargain!
Become a contributing member today!
http://www.thehighroad.org/payments.php
Radagast is offline  
Old December 30, 2009, 09:15 AM   #1603
JLBANTA
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 22, 2009
Posts: 3
Radagast,
Thanks so much for the info on the .22. You are right, it is a 6" barrel and it does have a square cut sight. The condition is probably in the "good" area but where do I look for definitions of good and very good. Also, any info on the net on how to take care of guns. I know I am not suppose to do any restoration and I just want to presurve them.
Thanks again
JLBANTA is offline  
Old December 30, 2009, 11:09 AM   #1604
Radagast
Contributing Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: Australia/OZ
Posts: 4,973
JLBANTA:
http://www.armchairgunshow.com/Condition-NRA-Guns.htm
Jim Supica is one of the authors of the Standard Catalog of S&W, so read his version at that link.

Restoration is always a possibility, but may cost more than the gun is worth. Check out Fords: http://www.fordsguns.com/ S&W can also refinish guns, but they may not work on guns that old. Give them a call to find out.

General rule of thumb for guns is keep them dry, keep them oiled, clean after shooting. For more detailed questions start a new thread either in revolvers or in the gunsmithing sub forum.
__________________
$25 a year to keep The High Road on line AND block adds? Bargain!
Become a contributing member today!
http://www.thehighroad.org/payments.php
Radagast is offline  
Old December 30, 2009, 12:11 PM   #1605
vermel
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 28, 2009
Posts: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radagast View Post
Vermel:
If your gun is a break top (barrel swings down to load) with an exposed hammer then it is a S&W .38 Double Action 2nd model manufactured between 1880 & 1884. Caliber is .38 S&W (not .38 S&W Special) and should only be shot with black powder loads or equivalent substitutes. Try Old Western Scrounger for ammo. Modern ammo will wear it out faster due to the faster burn time and hence higher pressure than black powder.

If it is a break top with an internal hammer then it is a .38 Safety Hammerless 2nd Model manufactured between 1887 & 1990. Ammunition as above.

If it is a break top with an exposed hammer, no trigger guard and a spur trigger then it is a .38 Single Action 2nd Model manufactured between 1877 & 1891. Ammunition as above.

If the gun has a swing out cylinder then it is probably a .38 Regulation Police manufactured between 1917 & 1940. Caliber is .38 S&W, but modern smokeless ammunition can be used. Barrel length should be 4 inches from the forcing cone (cylinder end) to the muzzle. Regulation Police should be stamped on the barrels right side.

If the gun has a swing out cylinder and has .38 S&W SPL. marked on the right side of the barrel,with an exposed hammer is & steel frame it is a Chiefs Special from 1953 to 1955. Caliber is .38 S&W Special and any standard velocity load can be used. Barrel length should be 3 inches.
Thanks, Radagast. Mine must be a .38 Safety Hammerless 2nd model (1887-1990). I'll try Old Western Scrounger for ammo.
vermel is offline  
Old December 30, 2009, 12:16 PM   #1606
vermel
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 28, 2009
Posts: 7
Thanks, Radagast. Mine must be a .38 Safety Hammerless 2nd model (1887-1990) which fits the time frame with the lower serial number. I'll try Old Western Scrounger for ammo.
vermel is offline  
Old December 30, 2009, 12:44 PM   #1607
JLBANTA
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 22, 2009
Posts: 3
Radagast, Once again you have been most helpful. Many thanks. JLBANTA
JLBANTA is offline  
Old December 30, 2009, 02:51 PM   #1608
jad0110
Member
 
 
Join Date: February 28, 2006
Location: Somewhere between the Eastern Block states and Florida
Posts: 3,801
Here are a couple, I may buy one of them.

Both are Model 28-2s:

N517xxx

N110xxx
__________________
If at first you don't succeed, you're doing it wrong.
jad0110 is offline  
Old December 31, 2009, 03:46 AM   #1609
Radagast
Contributing Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: Australia/OZ
Posts: 4,973
jad0110:
N517xxx = 1978-1980.
N110xxx = 1973.
__________________
$25 a year to keep The High Road on line AND block adds? Bargain!
Become a contributing member today!
http://www.thehighroad.org/payments.php
Radagast is offline  
Old January 1, 2010, 05:26 PM   #1610
agg
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 23, 2009
Posts: 6
caliber
b) bbl length (from cylinder to muzzle)
c) grips shape (round or square)
d) number of shots/cylinder bores
e) type of sights.
f) serial number, and if there is a letter in front of or anywhere near the s/n on the bottom of the grip
g) Model number if it is under the crane.
That number, if it is the s/n, should come from the butt of the grip (or under the barrel or face of the cylinder).

barrel stamped 38 S&W special CTG
a. 38
b. 4"
c. square butt
d. 6 shot
e. fixed sight
f. Frame on bottom of butt is marked 50395 .... Under the barrel is stamped B 50395

Thank You
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1-01-10-122.jpg (583.5 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg 1-01-10-120.jpg (575.6 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg 1-01-10-115.jpg (576.3 KB, 7 views)

Last edited by agg; January 1, 2010 at 05:27 PM. Reason: Thank You
agg is offline  
Old January 1, 2010, 07:16 PM   #1611
Radagast
Contributing Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: Australia/OZ
Posts: 4,973
agg:
You have a .38/44 Heavy Duty manufactured between 1930 and 1941. Someone has cut down the barrel and installed what appears to be a cut down post war Patridge front sight & base. The original front sight would have been a half moon without a base and the original barrel length was probably 5 inches. 4 & 6.5 inch barrels were made, yours is probably 3.5 inches.
There would be minimal value to a collector due to the modifications, so treat it as a shooter.
__________________
$25 a year to keep The High Road on line AND block adds? Bargain!
Become a contributing member today!
http://www.thehighroad.org/payments.php
Radagast is offline  
Old January 1, 2010, 09:55 PM   #1612
agg
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 23, 2009
Posts: 6
Thanks that is great

This was suppose to be one of my grandfathers service guns. He was a cop back in 1950 to early 1960. Could this explain why the barrel was cut down and modified... I have his old belt hoster for this gun. It fits the short barrel and was suppose to be police issue...
agg is offline  
Old January 2, 2010, 02:58 PM   #1613
silverking
Member
 
 
Join Date: November 4, 2006
Location: S.E. Michigan
Posts: 267
Need birthdates for two:

cal. 357mag
bbl 6"
6 shot
red ramp fixed front sight
adjustable rear sight
square butt
mod 686-3
ser# BNY04xx
stainless

cal. 357mag
bbl 6"
6 shot
red ramp front sight
adjustable rear sight
square butt
mod 19-5
Ser# AUB60xx
blue

Thanks--appreciate the information
Bill
__________________
Happily surviving retirement
silverking is offline  
Old January 2, 2010, 03:37 PM   #1614
zephyr89
Member
 
 
Join Date: June 26, 2009
Posts: 17
My old 38

a) caliber: .38 special
b) barrel length: 4 inches
c) grips shape: square butt, wood grips.
d) number of shots: 6
e) type of sights: notch & post. front notch from the side bears resemblance to a door stop wedge. probably a 10-15 degree angle.
f) Model number:10-6.

2 additional questions.


Can this revolver shoot +P or +P+ cartridges? It has probably had less than 1,000 shots put through it.

Appraisal? It has 95% blue and wood is in VG condition. Rifling is strong.
zephyr89 is offline  
Old January 2, 2010, 11:20 PM   #1615
Radagast
Contributing Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: Australia/OZ
Posts: 4,973
zephyr89:
Your 10-6 was manufactured in 1976-1977. It should be fine to use with .38 special plus P ammunition, which is limited to 10% more than standard pressures. Plus P Plus has not limit and may be at .357 magnum pressures. As such it should not be used except in guns chambered for .357 magnum. In 2006 the Standard Catalog of S&W gave a value of $275 in excellent condition.

silverking:
BNY04xx dates to around March 1993, the Standard Catalog of S&W records BNWxxxx in that month.
AUB60xx dates to between January 1986 (AHCxxxx) & July 1987 (AVBxxxx).
__________________
$25 a year to keep The High Road on line AND block adds? Bargain!
Become a contributing member today!
http://www.thehighroad.org/payments.php
Radagast is offline  
Old January 2, 2010, 11:25 PM   #1616
Radagast
Contributing Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: Australia/OZ
Posts: 4,973
agg:
3.5 inch barrels were an option on the .357 Magnum (Model 27) built on the same frame, the holster may have been a standard item to fit that. As to why it was cut down we will never know. He may have wanted a concealable gun or the barrel may have been bulged by a bad round and cut back behind the bulge. Or it may have been an evidence gun that had been crudely cut off, so he salvaged it and had the new sight fitted. Lots of room for speculation, at best you can contact S&W and pay $50 for a factory letter from their historian Roy Jinks, who will tell you when it left the factory, where it was shipped to and what specification it had at the time.
__________________
$25 a year to keep The High Road on line AND block adds? Bargain!
Become a contributing member today!
http://www.thehighroad.org/payments.php
Radagast is offline  
Old January 3, 2010, 05:39 AM   #1617
zephyr89
Member
 
 
Join Date: June 26, 2009
Posts: 17
thanks a lot radagast!!! You da man!
__________________
Guns, making life's problems go away since 1400 AD.
zephyr89 is offline  
Old January 3, 2010, 05:53 AM   #1618
DRYHUMOR
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 6, 2008
Posts: 1,801
Radagast, thanks for the info, I just got back to this thread. Here's a pic, still unfired..... subject to change soon
Attached Images
File Type: jpg smith.jpg (150.4 KB, 16 views)
__________________
"Until the day of his death, no man can be sure of his courage"
DRYHUMOR is offline  
Old January 5, 2010, 03:28 PM   #1619
buckhead
Member
 
 
Join Date: November 20, 2009
Posts: 11
Cal 38
Barrel 3.5"
Grip Round
5 shot flip open
fixed sights
Serial # 3350 then looks like someone else stamped lightly #399 upside down.
buckhead is offline  
Old January 5, 2010, 03:32 PM   #1620
AirplaneDoc
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 26, 2007
Location: Midwest
Posts: 351
Ok I will play as well

Cal 357 Mag
Barrel 6"
Model 686
Serial AAD 61XX
Square
Fixed

Thanks

AD
AirplaneDoc is offline  
Old January 5, 2010, 03:49 PM   #1621
buckhead
Member
 
 
Join Date: November 20, 2009
Posts: 11
Cal 38
Barrel 3.5"
Grip Round
5 shot flip open
fixed sights
Serial # 3350 then looks like someone else stamped lightly #399 upside down.
buckhead is offline  
Old January 5, 2010, 08:41 PM   #1622
doc540
Member
 
 
Join Date: November 12, 2007
Location: Southeast Texas
Posts: 2,491
this popped up in the local classifieds today for not much money

caliber
b) bbl length (from cylinder to muzzle) 2"
c) grips shape (round or square) - square? (my 1972 J frame stocks don't fit it)
d) number of shots/cylinder bores - 5 shot
e) type of sights - fixed
f) serial number, and if there is a letter in front of or anywhere near the s/n on the bottom of the grip - 486777
g) Model number if it is under the crane - Model 36
That number, if it is the s/n, should come from the butt of the grip (or under the barrel or face of the cylinder).

DOB?

purty little thang, ain't it?
__________________
Shooting more, typing less

Last edited by doc540; January 5, 2010 at 09:34 PM.
doc540 is offline  
Old January 5, 2010, 09:56 PM   #1623
dicty2004
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 12, 2008
Location: MO
Posts: 27
Just picked up my 10-5 today. There are two numbers, 1) at crane 15291; 2) at the butt of grip C793521.

Last edited by dicty2004; January 5, 2010 at 11:31 PM. Reason: typo
dicty2004 is offline  
Old January 5, 2010, 10:04 PM   #1624
kyarcher
Member
 
 
Join Date: April 19, 2004
Location: Ky
Posts: 162
SW Model 19-4 3 pin Serial # 56K36XX........Thanks, Bob
__________________
~America~ Born July 4th,1776- Died, Election Day 2008
kyarcher is offline  
Old January 6, 2010, 07:48 PM   #1625
Jonah71
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 4, 2009
Location: Central Missouri near Whiteman A.F.B.
Posts: 1,223
Maybe you can give me a little more info on a recent purchase. Sorry I can't do pics yet on this pc...but the gun is a S&W Mod 14 .38 spec. 4" barrel. serial # K3387xx. Was told on another site that it was made in 1958. Pretty sure the guy knows his stuff but just asking. I ended up paying just over $400 for it. Thanks. If I can dig myself outa the snow in the morning, I'll try again to post a pic.
Jonah71 is offline  
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation by vB Optimise.
This site, its contents, Shooting Reviews, and its contents are Copyright (c) 2010-2013 Firearms Forum, Inc.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages.