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Old December 29, 2008, 09:35 PM   #351
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anything made in china
wore out a s+w .41 mag in 2 years
bought a taurus 5 years ago, got a 3 point this year.
.41 mag rules!
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Old December 29, 2008, 09:43 PM   #352
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Nothing more from FEG, thank you very much. I carried a FEG PMK380 concealed for years, and the damned mainspring was so strong, and the double action trigger pull so heavy, that I was basically the only one who could shoot the thing. I even developed this funky one-handed draw and hammer-cock with a round in chamber. Finally I'd had enough, and traded up to a Beretta 92FS for concealed carry. Bigger, but a lot easier.

I also got out of Taurus. Had a perfectly good 431, and a 94 I couldn't get to shoot accurately. Just no need to settle for less than a Smith or Colt. Traded the 431 even for a 1911-dated Colt Officer's Model Target .38 with 7.5 inch barrel and original grips, in fact.

Oh, no more Rugers for me after some of Bill Ruger's anti-gun screeds; even got rid of the 10/22.
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Old December 29, 2008, 10:12 PM   #353
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most likely a ruger centerfire rifle of any kind. I was ruined on them when my mark II went from 1" groups to 10" groups in a day.
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Old December 29, 2008, 11:16 PM   #354
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Bailey, I think you have read far, far too much into my OPINION of 1911-style guns.

I clearly blame irresponsible gun-handlers for negligent discharges. I simply stated that I personally found 1911-style guns difficult to decock and that I dislike the grip safety configuration. Another poster said they never, ever decocked their 1911, so I assume they store it cocked, which in addition to being just plain odd, would be overly taxing on the springs, I would think. A decocker or similar device is unnecessary if a handgun can be simply and effectively decocked via letting the hammer down with one's thumb, as with a single-action revolver (possibly the safest handgun one can own, and it has no safety mechanism whatsoever, outside of the half-cock notch on the hammer) and I find that the 1911's grip safety makes the gun difficult for me to decock in the normal fashion (easing the hammer down manually with the thumb).

In my opinion, there are safer and better designs than the 1911 and that is all I said. As for the "cocked and locked" issue, I would never, ever rely solely on the safety on ANY firearm, be it a 1911, a Marlin 60 or a Crosman Powermaster. They are mechanical. Mechanical things fail, it is a law of nature. I certainly would not trust my life or the lives of others to any firearms safety device or feature. Responsibility is far more reliable than any mechanism. Would you carry a single-action revolver cocked if it had a safety (like the Heritage Rough Rider)? After all, that would be cocked and locked, as well. Safe? I think not. I certainly do not carry my single-action revolvers in such a manner and never would.

Currently I do not own any autoloading pistols and do not plan on owning any others in the future as I have found revolvers to be far more reliable. And if you check back a ways on this thread, you will find many others that either do not like, or do not trust 1911-style weapons.

As far as insulting people, they need to grow a thicker skin if they feel insulted by my opinion. I called no one stupid, but stated that a particular course of action to be foolish in my opinion. You may feel that carrying a revolver is stupid, and I do not care as that is your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to it.

Please remember what they say opinions are like . . .
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Old December 29, 2008, 11:38 PM   #355
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Old December 30, 2008, 12:14 AM   #356
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Um, wow, is there anything left? You guys have made me not want to buy another firearm period.
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Old December 30, 2008, 05:19 AM   #357
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Taurus or Glock
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Old December 30, 2008, 08:30 PM   #358
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I don't "hate" any gun. But there are several I would never buy.

Any "used" gun, unless I know the owner. I wouldn't buy a used car either, unless I know the owner.
Any Taurus
Any 1911, the reliable ones are too pricey
Ruger LCP,
Springfield XD(M), one was enough
any "saturday night special" cheap gun

I have Glocks, CZ's, Bersa's, a Ruger and like all of them, but If I was going to be stranded in a jungle, covered in mud, chased by an enemy, with no food or water, I'd choose the Glock, strictly because I think they are more durable than any others. Just google Glock torture test if in doubt.
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:44 PM   #359
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Enos Presley wrote:
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I called no one stupid, but stated that a particular course of action to be foolish in my opinion.
Sorry, Enos...I thought you meant that those who carried "cocked and locked" - as in a 1911 style pistol - had reached the zenith of stupidity when you wrote:

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I also think carrying "cocked and locked" is IMHO, the acme of stupidity.
...whatever.

And if you think using the thumb of your shooting hand to decock a 1911 pistol is the proper and/or the only accepted way of doing it, well, then all I can say is you probably have no business carrying a 1911. Personally, I'd recommend grasping the gun with your strong hand with a shooting grip, finger off the trigger and outside the trigger guard. Point the pistol in a safe direction. Grasp the hammer firmly between the thumb and index finger of your weak hand and pull the trigger while easing the hammer down with the thumb and index finger of your weak hand. Doing it your way makes manipulation of the grip safety, hammer and trigger very awkward and doesn't give you near the control of the gun as the two-handed method.

And by the way: leaving the hammer cocked isn't going to hurt the mainspring any more than leaving magazines loaded is going to hurt the magazine springs.

Seems to me Ruger lost a lawsuit over the safety features - or lack thereof - of their single action revolvers and have been offering a free modification ever since. I would argue your point that single action revolvers are the safest design. Most who've carried them in the past even made a habit of carrying the hammer down on an empty chamber for fear the gun would discharge if dropped or if the hammer were struck hard enough. Despite your contention that single action revolvers are "possibly the safest handgun one can own" and have no safety mechanisms other than a half-cock notch I'd have to say you don't know much about single action revolvers. Ever heard of a transfer bar safety? They're very common on revolvers, both single and double action. Personally, with few exceptions, I think most modern handguns - revolver or auto - are equally safe.

I never wrote that carrying a revolver for defense was stupid. Not even close. As a matter of fact, I have often carried revolvers for defense, even as a backup for many years as a cop.

Yeah...I know what they say about opinions. I also know some opinions are more informed than others.
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Old December 30, 2008, 09:48 PM   #360
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A 28 caliber carbon fiber pistol made in China.

I got a kick out of that in the "Dark Knight".

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Old December 30, 2008, 09:51 PM   #361
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How could a movie with such a HUGE budget - the epitome of a BIG production - screw up something like that? Are they really THAT ignorant of guns?
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Old December 30, 2008, 11:00 PM   #362
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S&W. I had a Sigma, damn thing was a piece of crap. NO ONE could get the damn thing to shoot the target in the same spot twice. But it was a gift, so I kept it until I got re-married. Should have left that POS with my EX. A-Hole sold my SKS while I ws deployed without asking.

I would NEVER buy a High Point. Or a Kel-Tec, although I know folks who swear by them.

I would never buy a pocket pistol, either.
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Old December 30, 2008, 11:03 PM   #363
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Jennings

Never buy a jennings. Just take my word for it.

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Old December 30, 2008, 11:18 PM   #364
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Any N frame with less then four inches

Why deal with this issue
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Old December 30, 2008, 11:56 PM   #365
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I doubt I'll ever buy anything SIG. Fat grips and fat prices is all I've seen. Beautiful, maybe, but to me a gun is a tool and reliability, much less, durability, comes much, much cheaper than a SIG.
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Old December 31, 2008, 05:08 PM   #366
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I can't think of a gun I would never buy. I have an H&K, I love it. Its jammed a couple times, but all in all its great. I like Glocks, I've had them jam too. Maybe I just have bad luck, but any semi-auto I've ever done a lot of shooting with has had some sort of malfunction. Including S&W, Taurus, Sig, Para, Springfield. Tap tap rack usually does the trick. I've never, personally, had a malfunction with a revolver. I'm sure I will as some point though.

To me it comes down to what is most comfortable for the individual shooter. I have yet to handle a gun that is 100% reliable. Just my personal experience.
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Old December 31, 2008, 09:02 PM   #367
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It's that I have seen, many times, the trigger of a 1911 pulled on an "empty" chamber (that the person handling the gun claims to have just checked) with the mag removed, and the result being a hole in a wall, floor, or ceiling, but thankfully never a person.
Poor Enos... I feel sorry for you. Oh, the trauma. How fortunate for the rest of us that troll caves have such sturdy walls and ceilings able to stop such negligently discharged rounds.

By the way, how many IS "many times"? Just curious.
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Old December 31, 2008, 09:13 PM   #368
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I just can't get into striker-fired handguns, all the manufacturers seem to be going this way but I want to see a hammer.
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Old December 31, 2008, 09:34 PM   #369
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Enos Presley,

I've owned and carried 1911s for three decades going into a fourth and I have never de-cocked one with a round in the chamber. If I want to store it, I will safely and completely unload it, then lower the hammer on an empty chamber.

I carry cocked and locked and I forgive you for referring to the practice as "acme of stupidity". I simply put it down to what appears to be your lack of training and experience with the weapon system in question.

As to reliability of revolvers over semi autos all I can tell you is this: The only handgun malfunction I've experienced in my lifetime,that totally put the gun out of action was with my beloved S&W model 65 .357 revolver. A broken tiny spring locked the gun up solid as a rock. Trigger wouldn't pull, hammer wouldn't cock, cylinder wouldn't open. Gun had to go back to S&W. Any malfunction I've experienced with a semi auto pistol has been correctable on the spot and I was able to get the gun running again. That said, I love revolvers and that S&W M-65 is still on my list of guns I am willing to bet my life on.

I completely agree with your decision to leave the 1911 to others and stay with revolvers. They will serve you well.

Respectfully,

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Old December 31, 2008, 10:51 PM   #370
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So, what's wrong with 1911's again?
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Old December 31, 2008, 10:58 PM   #371
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I can't figure out why anyone would EVER de-cock a 1911. It CAN be done safely, of course, two-handed, but WHY?
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Old December 31, 2008, 11:47 PM   #372
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Old January 1, 2009, 11:27 AM   #373
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Boy you asked a good question. Here I am down on page 15. I won't buy any more Berettas. They make some nice weapons, but I don't like the way they treat their customers.
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Old January 1, 2009, 04:23 PM   #374
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Never buy any single shot or double, bolt, pump, lever, straight pull, semi auto, revolving, muzzleloading anything in any caliber built by anyone ever!!!! All guns are junk!!!!!!!!! Now, what am I gonna do with all those guns of mine??

Seriously, I think all manufacturers have problems, be they engineering or QA. Everyone makes a klunker once in a while. Yep, some guns are junk right out of the box... my vote?? Norinco.
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Old March 29, 2009, 12:52 AM   #375
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well...I bought a used jennings model 9 once when I was younger...on a whim...and it was the worst pos I ever have fired, thats when it actually worked. I bought a couple hi points out of curiousity, a 9MM and a 45ACP, and they are like Caddilacs compared to the Jennings, and actually, the Hi Point pistols have worked flawlessly for me, nice shooting economy guns.
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