What's your "never buy" gun?

[B yond]

I will never buy a defensive weapon with a grip safety.

I read a report and several articles about a police officer who shot and killed a suspect after his hands were severely cut (we're talking to the bone), and he was barely able to pull the trigger. The perp was trying to get the rifle out of the officers cruiser at the time. That officer would be dead right now if he'd had to work a grip safety to make his weapon go boom. Wal-mart parking lots...dangerous places.

I wouldn't mind a tricked out 1911 for a target shooter/competition gun, but I'd never carry one.

No XDs until they ditch the grip safety. No Uzis (don't like the firing from open breach anyway).

Oh, and I'd never buy a weapon with that mod that makes it inoperable unless the shooter is wearing a special magnetized ring. No thank you.

I must say I love my Ruger, my Hi-Point, my NAA mini, My AR-7, and my H&R even though they all get bashed on threads like this.

[B yond]

Any wheel gun.....I just think their outdated. (But they are good choices for the elderly and anyone weak handed etc..etc..)

Or anyone who wants to shoot wadcutters, wants to load their own without worrying about cycling the action, wants to shoot shot shells, or wants to be able to shoot more than one shot underwater.

[cliffy]

Why hedge regarding a few bucks, when you'll likely own it forever or trade-in swiftly a lesser Semi-Auto caliber? Kimber is King for the hard-earned dollars spent. .45 ACP because NOTHING else compares for semi-auto PROWESS. Surely a .454 Casull rules the roost powerwise, but a semi-auto .454? If James Bond had access to a decent .45 ACP, he wouldn't have played life-or-death games with a Walther PPK .380 mini-pistola. 9mm Parabellum is the very LEAST amount of power that could consistantly save your life. You'll note I mentioned MINIMAL amount of power and ONLY with proper bullets and maximum handloads. People under the influence of certain drugs appear to have super-human, if short-lived, strength. Set them immediately straight with a sturdy, convincing .45 ACP offering. If one expects a handgun to protect one's self, don't play seriously deadly games with your life. cliffy

[Scott7891]

hunting/civilian/target style firearms- they all look the same, they dont seem to me to have the durability, longevity, and history of military-style firearms, and i dont hunt or enter in shooting competitions

AR's-too unreliable and underpowered for my taste unless it is an AR with a gas piston and fires 6.8 SPC then you might convince me otherwise. like someone already said im an AK man.

H&K pistols- others stated that quite eloquently plus I hear they are unreliable for the cost

Glocks- didnt like the feel of it, ugly, grips too thick, way overrated

Tec-9-POS from Sweden. Its already obvious how bad it is.

thats all i can think of now

[franx1911a]

I think its kind of funny how almost every major (and minor) brand has been named. On the list of disdain, I owned an older Taurus PT92 in the early 90's, truly regret selling it. It was extremely accurate, beautiful trigger, truly regretted having to part with it. I purchased a new replacement last year.... what a POS !!! I don't know about the Hi Point pistols, but I have a 9mm and .40 carbine, and love them both, no FTF problems in over 800 rounds each now. I owned a 3rd Gen Glock 22 that I couldn't get rid of fast enough, ugly, brutal to shoot. I have several Springfield 1911's that I hope to take to the afterlife with me. Had a Colt 1911 that even a couple trips back to Colt couldn't make right. And now I have recently become a Sig Snob and while having one P220 that I couldn't re-sell fast enough, I have another along with two P245's that I must fight my wife for both carry and range time. I have hated S&W for years, but recently shot a friends Model 19, just an old gun that has never been "worked".... truly a Gem! The bottom line is I am starting to think that aside from individual preference, personal "fit" to the gun, etc that it almost depends more on the day of the week and if the QC guy was hungover, than the brand of the gun.
Sorry for rambling on and on and on and on and on....

[nwilliams]

I am ashamed to say that I purchased a Vulcan Arms V94 a few years ago

NEVER AGAIN !!!

I had the POS about three months and had to send it back for repairs about two weeks after I bought it. After I got it back a month later I spent another month trying to sell it. All in all I put about 400 rounds through it and I don't think it ever got through one full mag without jamming. Without a doubt the biggest POS gun I have ever owned. I wish I had been a member of the online firearms community back then before I bought it, then maybe I would have done the proper research first and avoided making a huge financial mistake. At least I learned my lesson, now I do research before I buy.

[gvnwst]

.408 cheytac intervention. why buy a overrated, not so great anyhow piece of crap? one that the price is marked up $6,000 higher than it should be. the barrett model 99 in
.416 can do everything better in a rifle 1/3 the price.

[tinygnat219]

Taurus: Any of their Revolvers, Auto pistols, or rifles. Junk Pure junk.

H&K: For various reasons including high-prices, spotty quality, and attitude.

NAA Mini-Revolvers: For uses other than plinking. Why people want a single action, small-triggered, 5 shot rimfire revolver as a self-defense weapon I will never understand.

[loneviking]

Quote:
Any wheel gun.....I just think their outdated. (But they are good choices for the elderly and anyone weak handed etc..etc..)

Or anyone who wants to shoot wadcutters, wants to load their own without worrying about cycling the action, wants to shoot shot shells, or wants to be able to shoot more than one shot underwater.

Or wants to shoot a gun that truly has some power to it---like the .357, 44 spcl, 44 mag and 45 long Colt..etc.

Or doesn't want to have to learn the 'tap,rack, bang' drill because they want a gun that doesn't fail to feed, nor fail to eject but goes 'bang!' every time they pull the trigger.

[Blofeld]

Davis-Cobra-Raven pistols, had a Davis blow up on me.

Kel Tec P11, if you have to polish anything to make it work out of the box, re-think the purchase.

[CoreyI35]

I don't get the HK "because they hate me" references. What am I missing?

[PotatoJudge]

Corey:
http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/20...d-we-hate-you/

[Leif Runenritzer]

Any rifle that fits the legal definition of a pistol.

Nor would i ever buy anything that profited Heckler and Cough. Assuming i were made of money, would i buy a PTR 91F? Yes, it's American-made. Would i buy a used HK91? Yes, it's discontinued. A used USP? No, because someone else will buy it, possibly instead of buying one new.

[Rifleman 173]

I will never again own another Ruger Mini-14 carbine in .223 caliber. Those things are just not stable enough for good accuracy. As you shoot them, the point of impact changes with every round as it gets warmer. There is no point of aim equals point of impact for long with one of them.

[novaDAK]

Anything Ruger. Awful history, fugly nasty guns. They may work, but so do the Hi-Points and the old P-series Rugers have the same blockiness, cheapness, and weight.

no sane person would ever put Hi-Point and Ruger on the same level. Hi-points can't compare to Rugers at all.

As for this thread, I'd have to say I'll never buy a Taurus or Rossi in the future ever again. I bought a Taurus revolver on a whim but then started reading the horror stories about their customer service. Sold the gun at a 50 dollar loss a week later. I don't have the time, patience, nor money to deal with their customer service if I ever needed it.

[possum_128]

Sig, CZ's, don't care for them, goods guns I know, just don't like them.

[jahwarrior]

i will never buy a Jennings, Jimenez, or Lorcin. i will never again buy a Cobra/Davis. i will never buy a Glock.

[Shear_stress]

I've found that a lot of my "never guns" lose that distinction the instant I find one for sale at a discount.

That said, there are lot of guns that I shy away from: plastic-framed pistols (a pistol with a frame that doesn't require machining and finishing shouldn't be sold at the same price as one that does), and 11.5" barrel rifles with 4.5" muzzle extensions (just pay for the tax stamp already!)

[Gator]

Norinco and Polytech.

Those are really the only ones I can think of that I wouldn't touch at any price, even if they were free. Anything else I'd at least try.

[JR47]

I'd have to add Kimber to that list. 1911.com has a love-hate relationship going on for Kimber. It seems that most of them need a trip back, but "they'll fix it." Like the P11, if it needs to be buffed before it's reliable, count me out.

[anymanusa]

why all the hate for Rugers? I have a P345 and I think it's pretty damn slick. Looks to be very well engineered, has bullet in chamber indicator, very comfortable to hold... etc. What's wrong with a Ruger?

On the op's question, Glocks. They are like Berkinstock sandals. They are designed for your hands (or feet in the case of the sandals) to conform to them, not for them to fit you. If that wasn't clear, let me just state: the rake angle on the handle of a Glock is horrible off. Point one in front of you and your wrist has to kink uncomfortably to hold it straight.

I also don't ever care to own any pump action, or lever action, or double barrel anything.

Anything Ruger. Awful history, fugly nasty guns. They may work, but so do the Hi-Points and the old P-series Rugers have the same blockiness, cheapness, and weight.

Are you off your meds (no offence intended)? This gun is beautiful, and handles very well too. I just don't see what all the hate is for Rugers.

[ljnowell]

why all the hate for Rugers? I have a P345 and I think it's pretty damn slick. Looks to be very well engineered, has bullet in chamber indicator, very comfortable to hold... etc. What's wrong with a Ruger?

On the op's question, Glocks. They are like Berkinstock sandals. They are designed for your hands (or feet in the case of the sandals) to conform to them, not for them to fit you. If that wasn't clear, let me just state: the rake angle on the handle of a Glock is horrible off. Point one in front of you and your wrist has to kink uncomfortably to hold it straight.

I also don't ever care to own any pump action, or lever action, or double barrel anything.


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Anything Ruger. Awful history, fugly nasty guns. They may work, but so do the Hi-Points and the old P-series Rugers have the same blockiness, cheapness, and weight.

Are you off your meds (no offence intended)? This gun is beautiful, and handles very well too. I just don't see what all the hate is for Rugers.

oh the irony. You slam someone for not liking rugers, then bash glock because of your personal preferences. Thats funny.

[anymanusa]

oh the irony. You slam someone for not liking rugers, then bash glock because of your personal preferences. Thats funny.

I think you're making it something it isn't. I said Glocks are uncomfortable to hold without kinking your wrist

Glocks--ugly, feel bad in my hand

Glocks - Cant stand the way they feel in my had

and I know a lot of people who say the same thing. What I don't know is why people on this thread say that they don't like Rugers. The Rugers were described as 'aweful nasty and bad history' ~paraphrased guns.

I'm asking for some real explanation of why the Ruger isn't right for some of these people. Not an 'I think it sucks' answer.

I read this on the other page, and it also made no sense to me whatsoever. Anyone care to dumb this down so I can understand it?

Engineers that don't understand the fundamental concept of tolerance stack are why.

tolerance stack are why??? WTH?

[anymanusa]

Look at the difference in rake angle. Granted you can find a Ruger with that same bad angle if you look hard enough, but I don't know if you can find a Glock with the good angle without incurring additional cost.

Sorry if this is off topic or on a tangeant, I'll stop now.

[RustyShackelford]

I'd avoid the following brands/models;
Kahr, Kel-Tec, High Point, Davis, Auto-Ord, Bersa, Daewoo, Ivry Johnson, Star, Patriot Arms.
I may think of a few more later on.

Rusty S