Quantcast
Liberty Safe Problem - THR
THR  

Go Back   THR > Ammunition, Gear, and Firearm Help > Shooting Gear and Storage

Welcome to THR
You are currently viewing our site as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have, access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!


If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit the help section.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old November 15, 2008, 09:10 AM   #1
Mannlicher
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: North Central Florida and Miami Florida
Posts: 3,428
Liberty Safe Problem

I have a Liberty safe. I bought it about 5 years ago. The other day, when I went to open it, the safe suffered a major failure.
The S-G combination lock opened as it should have, but the lever that retracts the bolts failed. All it would do was spin around.

My safe company was able to open the safe. They laid it down on it's side, and hammered on it with a rubber mallet. That let the bolts drop inward, and the safe could be opened.
The problem was internal. The shaft that the lever turns is held to a plate with a collar. The collar is only friction tight, being held by a set screw that pulls the collar tight around the shaft. The set screw backed out, and would not hold the shaft tight enough to work.
The safe guys drilled the collar, and inserted an additional set screw that pushes into the shaft now.

Cost me $170 bucks to fix a poor design.
__________________
no Signature line
Mannlicher is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 09:26 AM   #2
Zebraranger
Member
 
 
Join Date: September 26, 2007
Location: Florida
Posts: 268
Wow, sorry you had to go through that. Honestly, I've really never given it any thought about my safe not working, untill your post. I just took it for granted that it will open every time. You said they turned the safe on its side to fix it. Was your guns in there when they did this Hope not.
__________________
THE ULTIMATE HANDGUN STORAGE SYSTEMS
http://www.manaboutracks.com/Pages/default.aspx
Zebraranger is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 09:44 AM   #3
Mannlicher
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: North Central Florida and Miami Florida
Posts: 3,428
The only guns inside this particular safe was a S&W 39-2 9mm, and a 9mm Marlin Camp carbine in a MuzzleLite BullPup stock.
Nothing was damaged, but it sure was annoying.
__________________
no Signature line
Mannlicher is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 10:36 AM   #4
jasper275
Member
 
 
Join Date: September 23, 2008
Posts: 49
I believe Liberty Safe is made in Communist China where there is no liberty. I avoided Chinese when I bought my safe for just this reason. I figure if all other products from China are cheaply constructed, wouldn't their safes be also? Then, from an existentialist viewpoint, I could never swallow Safe names like Liberty, Patriot, and undoubtedly others that trumpet concepts unknown in that totatlitarian distopia. Aren't the Chinese manufacturing a super aircraft carrier out of the profits of their exported safes?

Sorry to hear about your problems. I'd say obsess on origin of manufacture on all items purchased henceforth.
jasper275 is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 11:00 AM   #5
Cohibra45
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 15, 2008
Location: Melbourne, Florida
Posts: 156
"Made in USA
All Liberty and National Security safes 23 cubic feet and larger are made in the USA."

Directly from their website!!!!!!! American made and I really like mine. If I were the OP and had that problem, I would have contacted Liberty directly. Their safes carry a lifetime warranty!!!

"Liberty Safe and Security Products Warranty
Liberty Safe and Security Products warrants each new Liberty, National Security or Centurion safe or vault door will be free from defects in material and workmanship for the lifetime of the original owner excluding the lock.

If there is a defect in either materials or workmanship of the locking mechanism during your lifetime, we will fix it *free of charge. Liberty will also repair or replace your safe *free of charge if it is damaged during a fire, a break-in or break-in attempt during the lifetime of the original purchaser. There are no hidden expenses with Liberty's limited lifetime warranty, no charge for opening the damaged safe, no charge for freight, and if the safe needs to be replaced, no charge for the replacement safe in your home. When the unthinkable happens, you want to know that your safe is backed by a reputable company, and a warranty is only as good as the company behind it.

Liberty, National Security and Centurion mechanical locks will be repaired or replaced free of charge, including labor, for the first five years of ownership. After five years and for the life of the original owner, Liberty will replace the parts *free of charge. Electronic locks are covered for five years.

Liberty Safe and Security Products warrants the painted surface of the safe with a limited lifetime warranty.

Liberty Safe and Security Products warranty is transferrable.

See written warranty for complete details."

Another quote from their website...Please don't spread 'rumors' about things you don't know!!!
Cohibra45 is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 11:18 AM   #6
MAKster
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 8, 2006
Posts: 1,965
In this case you are lucky you hadn't bolted your safe to the floor.
MAKster is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 01:16 PM   #7
a1abdj
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 21, 2005
Location: St. Charles, MO (St. Louis)
Posts: 1,988
This is not an unheard of problem, even with some of the other manufacturers.

Believe it or not, many of the Chinese safes being imported are built better than some of the US made stuff. This is mainly because the US built stuff has had many corners cut in order to drop the price.

This isn't a result of cheap Chinese competition, but rather cheap gun owners. We field countless calls from guys with $20,000 gun collections who only want to spend $500 on a safe. These companies are only building what the consumers are willing to pay for, and as a result, quality suffers.

Then again, safes are mechanical objects. Even the good ones break sometimes, that's just the way it is.

I'm glad it wasn't full of guns and/or bolted as it would have resulted in having to drill a hole in a visable area. I'm also glad they were able to open it easily. I do warranty work for Liberty, and they do stand behind their product.
__________________
Safe Sales, Service, & Delivery
Commercial - Residential - Gun Safes
www.zykansafe.com
a1abdj is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 02:20 PM   #8
mljdeckard
Member
 
 
Join Date: June 5, 2006
Location: In a part of Utah that resembles Tattooine.
Posts: 12,652
The Chinese build things to whatever spec we tell them to.

As for them building a 'supercarrier', there's a big difference between having a huge flat top, and having the aircraft, technology, and support to use it to project globally. (Not to mention prevent us from broadsiding it with four torpedoes anytime we feel like it.)

I would have called Liberty, if they do indeed have a lifetime warranty.
__________________
"I'm not saying we should kill all the stupid people. I'm just saying that we should remove all the warning labels and let the problem work itself out."
mljdeckard is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 03:53 PM   #9
Mannlicher
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 24, 2002
Location: North Central Florida and Miami Florida
Posts: 3,428
a1abdj
Quote:
This is not an unheard of problem, even with some of the other manufacturers.

Believe it or not, many of the Chinese safes being imported are built better than some of the US made stuff. This is mainly because the US built stuff has had many corners cut in order to drop the price.

This isn't a result of cheap Chinese competition, but rather cheap gun owners. We field countless calls from guys with $20,000 gun collections who only want to spend $500 on a safe. These companies are only building what the consumers are willing to pay for, and as a result, quality suffers.

Then again, safes are mechanical objects. Even the good ones break sometimes, that's just the way it is.

I'm glad it wasn't full of guns and/or bolted as it would have resulted in having to drill a hole in a visable area. I'm also glad they were able to open it easily. I do warranty work for Liberty, and they do stand behind their product.

the only 'stand behind' they demonstrated to my locksmith, (who also does warranty work for Liberty), was an emailed set of photographs that show the interior behind the panel. They demurred in absorbing the cost of the repair.
As a further note, their photographs show a rod going from the pivot plate up to the top locking bolt, and being threaded into that bolt.
In my safe, that was absent and instead, a piece of flat scrap metal was WELDED to the top bolt, and then welded to the pivot plate.
I am selling the safe for what I can get out of it, and buying another Canon or Ft Knox.
__________________
no Signature line
Mannlicher is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 04:25 PM   #10
MAKster
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 8, 2006
Posts: 1,965
If you look behind the door panel, the locking mechanism of most gun safes is a real letdown. I think most people are expecting to see an elaborate series of giant gears and full length bolts like you see in bank vaults.
MAKster is offline  
Old November 15, 2008, 04:46 PM   #11
a1abdj
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 21, 2005
Location: St. Charles, MO (St. Louis)
Posts: 1,988
I think you should push the issue with them. Just like a number of other industries, the first response is often a no, hoping that you will just go away. I have had calls that required less than 2 minutes of my attention, where the safe owner could have corrected the issue themselves. By complaining loudly enough, the manufacturer paid me to go out.

A quick funny story about Liberty. I got a call from them for a lock failure on a display safe at Cabela's. It was their top of the line safe, equal to the Presidential, with ball bearing hardplate. The Liberty rep said he would fax me the information I needed in order to drill.

The fax was a copy of a page out of a book written by an independant safe tech. Apparently us safe guys know more about Libery safes than the guys at Liberty.

Although I'm not impressed with much of what Cannon sells, Fort Knox does make some nice safes.

I took a older Fort Knox in on trade a few years ago. Somebody attempted to break into the safe by turning the handle too hard, and similar to your Liberty, the handle would no longer open the door. Another safe tech had already drilled the safe to get it open.

All I had to do was replace a 20 cent roll pin which was designed to sheer if the handle was forced. Sounds simple, right? Everything inside of that door was welded in. Nothing came out through normal disassembly. It took me about 2 hours to grind out the welds on the parts I needed to remove, 30 seconds to replace the 20 cent roll pin, and another 2 hours to weld and grind everything back together.

If I had been working on your Liberty, I would have repaired it slightly differently. I would have drilled a hole through the collar and the spindle, and inserted one of those roll pins. It is stout enough to operate the boltwork, but will sheer under too much pressure.
__________________
Safe Sales, Service, & Delivery
Commercial - Residential - Gun Safes
www.zykansafe.com
a1abdj is offline  
Old October 14, 2009, 02:45 PM   #12
Sawyer Bar
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 14, 2009
Posts: 29
Liberty Sucks

Bought high end safe and it wouldn'y open. Opening day of buck season came and went and no customer help. The season is almost over and no help. I live out in the sticks so they won't help.

Don't purchase their safes because their customer service is horrible. A gey from Sacrmaneto said he was coming up and would call so I took a few days off work and he didn't show. Imagine that!
Sawyer Bar is offline  
Old October 14, 2009, 03:04 PM   #13
GoWolfpack
Member
 
 
Join Date: May 13, 2009
Posts: 497
Stuff breaks. Call, complain, repeat until warranty is honored.

The way some people think, if something breaks, it's a bad design. Lots of things break, especially stuff we don't ever think about, like the mechanism behind the door panel of our safe.


Quote:
As for them building a 'supercarrier', there's a big difference between having a huge flat top, and having the aircraft, technology, and support to use it to project globally. (Not to mention prevent us from broadsiding it with four torpedoes anytime we feel like it.)
Reading that could just be the highlight of my day.
GoWolfpack is offline  
Old October 14, 2009, 03:05 PM   #14
damien
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 5, 2007
Location: Northern IL, USA
Posts: 1,212
Thinking of buying a safe. Willing to spend a good deal, need a big one. If not Liberty, then who?

Edit: Think I will read this: http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=408858 first. Couldn't find it and then I realized it might be on the "mirrorish" site.

Last edited by damien; October 14, 2009 at 03:10 PM.
damien is offline  
Old October 14, 2009, 04:35 PM   #15
RainDodger
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 20, 2009
Location: Great Northwest
Posts: 1,505
What about American Security (AmSec) safes? Anybody have experience with them?
RainDodger is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 12:36 AM   #16
Squatch87
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 23, 2015
Posts: 1
Batteries!

I've have a Liberty Centurion Safe with an Amsec digital lock. I went to unlock and it would not engage (the keypad was fully functional ...red lights and beeps). I assumed that this ruled out any battery issues. I shook the safe, pounded the door, rocked the safe for hours with no luck. Decided to try replacing the batteries. I used some off-brand ones that I have as smoke detector spares- that didn't fix it. Finally, I replaced those cheaper batteries with Duracell batteries and it opened right up!
Squatch87 is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 01:15 PM   #17
Tommygunn
Member
 
 
Join Date: June 14, 2006
Location: Morgan County, Alabama
Posts: 4,287
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasper275 View Post
I believe Liberty Safe is made in Communist China where there is no liberty. I avoided Chinese when I bought my safe for just this reason. I figure if all other products from China are cheaply constructed, wouldn't their safes be also? Then, from an existentialist viewpoint, I could never swallow Safe names like Liberty, Patriot, and undoubtedly others that trumpet concepts unknown in that totatlitarian distopia. Aren't the Chinese manufacturing a super aircraft carrier out of the profits of their exported safes?
Sorry to hear about your problems. I'd say obsess on origin of manufacture on all items purchased henceforth.
From other profit sources as well.
Perhaps the carrier will have to be turned on its side and whacked with a mallet to make it work, too.
__________________
"History is littered with wars which everybody knew would never happen." ~~ British Parliamentarian Enoch Powell.
Tommygunn is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 01:25 PM   #18
Steve H
Member
 
 
Join Date: November 10, 2006
Location: Southern Utah
Posts: 1,326
I have two safes. Liberty, 25 cu.ft. bought in 1996 and a American Security 25 cu.ft. bought around 1992. Both have functioned perfectly.
__________________
NRA Member
RMEF Member

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
Steve H is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 06:56 PM   #19
old lady new shooter
Member
 
 
Join Date: April 26, 2015
Posts: 942
Quote:
Originally Posted by RainDodger View Post
What about American Security (AmSec) safes? Anybody have experience with them?
AmSec (the small ones) were specifically mentioned as not good in the youtube analysis video by Mark Tobias. I just watched the whole thing again yesterday in addition to the one from DefCon, to finally make a decision. I went with Ft. Knox. Very sad that FAS 1 is not California DOJ approved, I don't understand how DOJ even make their list but what can I do.
old lady new shooter is online now  
Old December 23, 2015, 08:42 PM   #20
Sulaco
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 21, 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 738
I spent a lot of time researcbing safes and bought a Sturdy safe. I couldn't be happier and strongly recommend them every chance I get.
Sulaco is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 08:58 PM   #21
ShooterMcGavin
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 12, 2007
Posts: 630
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sulaco View Post
I spent a lot of time researcbing safes and bought a Sturdy safe. I couldn't be happier and strongly recommend them every chance I get.
I don't know if I can support that recommendation... I mean, it says "turd" right in the title
__________________
"The U.S. Supreme Court broadly and unequivocally held that requiring licensing or registration of any constitutional right is itself unconstitutional."
--Follett vs. Town of McCormick, S.C., 321 U.S. 573 [1944]
ShooterMcGavin is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 09:20 PM   #22
Sulaco
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 21, 2003
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 738
So you don't think Sturdy makes a good safe? Compared to what?
Sulaco is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 09:32 PM   #23
200Apples
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 6, 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 785
.
That was a turd joke, son.


I was looking at Sturdy Safes but found a great price on a demonstrator American Security.


:-)
__________________
"My prediction is that the [Ruger Gunsite] Scout will only be available for a couple of years at most. After the internet accolades die down, the three or four people out there who actually want one will buy theirs, sales will then plummet, and the Scout will eventually go away." - Anonymous THR user, January, 2011
200Apples is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 11:27 PM   #24
JTHunter
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 25, 2010
Location: Southwestern Illinois
Posts: 1,165
One of the things that nobody has mentioned (unless I missed it) was the plastic dials/keypads on the electronic safes. I have personally heard of 6 cases where the owners had a house fire and the dial melted off, leaving a very large "anchor"! The safe had to be cut/torched to get it open, destroying them. In the larger two, the contents were still in fair to good condition, but the other 4 were less than 15 cu. ft. in volume and had major damage to the contents.

I bought a non-gun safe from a used safe company in St. Louis (a1abdj - I'm sure you know the one - "B") that has a mechanical mechanism and is a steel & cement laminate. Its weight makes bolting down unnecessary as well. The bolt handle is held on the outside with a single Allen bolt that makes it easily removed and hidden if I'm gone for any length of time.
__________________
“Crime is to be expected since humans are never perfect. But the failure of Justice may be more damaging to Society than the crime itself.” - - Clarence Darrow
JTHunter is offline  
Old December 23, 2015, 11:57 PM   #25
paradox998
Member
 
 
Join Date: April 28, 2007
Posts: 376
If you want "bulletproof" boltwork, go with a Sturdy safe. I purchased one after looking carefully at how the bolts were attached and supported. Shiny bolts often are attached with one screw in many RSC "safes".
paradox998 is offline  
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
This site, its contents, Shooting Reviews, and its contents are Copyright (c) 2010-2013 Firearms Forum, Inc.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages.