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Old March 30, 2015, 10:12 PM   #1
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good luck waterproofing those new boots

A lot of us buy fall and winter hunting gear in the off season, so we have it ready to go at opening day, also to save a few bucks by not buying during peak demand. Especially a good pair of boots. I was ctually lookinf for some both for boots and my two kids baseball gloves.

There's going to be a kink this year, though. The favorite and time-tested method has been mink oil. Relatively inexpensive and it works extremely well. Better than anything else i have tried. Mink oil is off the market, at least for now. The whackos at Animal Liberation Front claim to have spiked containers at retailers with a cyanic acid and SC Johnson, who owns Kiwi brand, has pulled it from shelves in response. Two links below, first from Wall Street Journal, which may have content blocked if you don't subscribe and the second from the whacko website.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...14373428064280

https://animalliberationpressoffice....13/11/14/2539/
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Old March 30, 2015, 10:21 PM   #2
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Well, I for one gave up on trying to keep boots from leaking with grease when Gore-Tex was invented.

But it is still distressing to know products are being tampered with on the shelves..

A lot of people use mink oil for re-sizing lube in reloading, as well as in medical and cosmetic products.

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Old March 30, 2015, 11:05 PM   #3
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I still stick by my old ones:

bees wax, blackrock's, skidmore's...
I guess I worry more about dissuading water than proofing against it.

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Old March 30, 2015, 11:11 PM   #4
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I've been using Sno-seal for many years, it's less greasy.
Too bad the wackos have done this to the mink oil folks though.
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Old March 30, 2015, 11:28 PM   #5
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Plastiseam works pretty well on boot seams, if you can find any, and do it before you grease them up. Fills the thread holes and coats the exposed thread.
We use Hubbards on the rest of the shoe leather. Wearing gaiters can help a lot
(and keeps your pant legs from shredding).

Finding comfortable well made shoes and pac boots seem to be the biggest challenge. Cabelas seem to discontinue every pac boot that we really like. We have 2 pair of leather Meindls here that are probably the best made leather boots we've ever owned and one of them is also the most uncomfortable pair we've ever owned, like walking on wooden shoes. After 15 years the leather and soles are finally flexible enough to wear occasionally with a thick pair of proper insoles. OYE

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Old March 30, 2015, 11:46 PM   #6
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Wet?

L.L. Bean Maine Guide boots has a history of being good, and dry.
http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/50669...r-llbean-boots

And Muck Boots are the best I have ever worn for comfort and dry.
http://www.muckbootcompany.com/categ...FU4V7Aod1DAAiQ

Sometimes, you need to change it up from leather boots if you want dry feet.

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Old March 31, 2015, 12:14 AM   #7
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Wet?

L.L. Bean Maine Guide boots has a history of being good, and dry.

Looked at those l.l. bean they look comfortable. I need bob soles,though. I don't need the Muck boot style. Got that covered. Use the military Mouse and Bunny boots for extreme cold or real wet. Find them to be quite comfortable. Dump the water out and you are good to go.

The best pac boots we've ever owned were the plain old Cabelas snow pacs.
We've walked hundreds and hundreds of miles in them over the last 15 years. And wore several pairs out. One pair stashed yet. We don't like to get desperate. They seem to be discontinued, so we have to be on the lookout.
Use over the calf military sealskin socks in them. Feet dry always whether water or sweat. Thanks for the tips RC . OYE
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Old March 31, 2015, 01:54 AM   #8
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A lot of us buy fall and winter hunting gear in the off season, so we have it ready to go at opening day, also to save a few bucks by not buying during peak demand. Especially a good pair of boots. I was ctually lookinf for some both for boots and my two kids baseball gloves.

There's going to be a kink this year, though. The favorite and time-tested method has been mink oil. Relatively inexpensive and it works extremely well. Better than anything else i have tried. Mink oil is off the market, at least for now. The whackos at Animal Liberation Front claim to have spiked containers at retailers with a cyanic acid and SC Johnson, who owns Kiwi brand, has pulled it from shelves in response. Two links below, first from Wall Street Journal, which may have content blocked if you don't subscribe and the second from the whacko website.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...14373428064280

https://animalliberationpressoffice....13/11/14/2539/
Interesting. The story is 2 years old, though. Not a lot of mention of it. Regardless, Kiwi Mink Oil is available on Amazon, plus there are plenty of alternatives. I did read that SC Johnson had been planning on phasing out mink oil from their products at the time. The bunnyhuggers will claim any change as victory.
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Old March 31, 2015, 05:43 AM   #9
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AS mentioned, the article seems to be from 2013. Google Shopping shows Kiwi Mink Oil available from a few different sources currently. If you want it, its there. It may not bne quite as easy to find as it once was, but its not "gone" either

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Old March 31, 2015, 08:06 AM   #10
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Good to hear that Mink Oil is still available. It is one of those things that you go buy when you need it versus thinking about it..... oh my, got to have a supply of mink oil on hand just in case the world does a flip flop.

Those animal rights people are crazy. Elephants seems to be their thing these days.
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Old March 31, 2015, 09:27 AM   #11
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All my boots are either Gore Tex or pack boots from Schnee's.
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Old March 31, 2015, 10:32 AM   #12
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Well, I for one gave up on trying to keep boots from leaking with grease when Gore-Tex was invented.

Same here. With grease and oils, the same process that doesn't let water in, doesn't let sweat out. At the end of the day, you still have wet feet.
Back when there were none of the new fabric liners available, I found that Sno-Seal worked better than anything else. Waterproofed without over softening or breaking down the leather, causing premature cracks and splits. Animal oil products have also been known to rot leather and the stitching used to hold boots together. I also used Sno-seal on baseball gloves and hockey gloves with excellent results.
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Old March 31, 2015, 11:48 AM   #13
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another vote for Sno-Seal.
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Old March 31, 2015, 12:25 PM   #14
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We do mix up beeswax and pine tar (over the stove) when we run out of the Hubbards. If you want it more like Snowseal or Obenaufs use less pine tar. We usually need to soften the leather a bit so we use a bit more pine tar. We have used harness oil and beeswax as well.
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Old March 31, 2015, 01:29 PM   #15
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Mink oil is the best patch lube in cold weather for patched round balls. It stays soft in freezing temps.
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Old March 31, 2015, 01:59 PM   #16
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I guess its time to get some whale blubber.
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Old March 31, 2015, 02:13 PM   #17
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I do a lot of walking often in wet areas and in snow late season bird hunting. I have worn out lots of boots. My favorites are kangaroo skin with Goretex. I used mink oil, then Snoseal. But like others said, Goretex breaths and it doesn't collect dirt and dust. Pack boots and muck boots work ok for yard work but they are crappy for covering ground. You need quality boots for serious hunting in slick rough terrain and heavy grass.
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Old March 31, 2015, 03:46 PM   #18
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Mink oil has to be the worst waterproofing I've ever used. Didn't think anyone still used it anyway. Sno-Seal is far better and easily available. The Obenauf's stuff is even better, but a little harder to find.
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Old March 31, 2015, 09:03 PM   #19
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Well, I never used it for waterproofing as it really doesn't work. Goretex does. However, mink oil is a fantastic product for conditioning leather, boots or anything else. I've used it on dress boots. Getting some new Justins and don't have any mink oil, bummer.

Another GREAT product is Aussie leather conditioner. I don't know about watef proofing, but it is a great conditioner. I raced motorcycles for a lot of years. Road racing is rain or shine. That's why they make rain tires. Racing leathers get soaked through and dry stiff. This stuff brought 'em back to life big time, soft and supple.

http://www.amazon.com/Fiebing-AULC00...er+conditioner

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Old April 4, 2015, 08:17 AM   #20
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anhydrous lanolin. (sheep fat rendered down) I use it for dry cracked hands and feet, making bullet lube, case lube and waterproof leather. You can buy it at your local pharmacy or on ebay. Just make sure you by anhydrous. Normal lanolin is water based and doesn't work well. Most leather conditioners are made from this and they just add beeswax because its cheaper. the 100 percent stuff is better.
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Old April 5, 2015, 02:16 AM   #21
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So, now they're doing exactly what I've been fearing they would do more frequently.

Like RC, I stopped using the bee's wax, mink oil, silicone spray, and all the other water proofing products when GorTex hit the market.

I do however give my boots a light application of bee's wax one or twice per year, but that's just to keep the leather from drying and cracking. Speaking of, I have a pair of Cabela boots I bought in like 1999 that I've put like a gazillion miles on, and those boots are still 100% water proof, 800 grams Thinsulate, GorTex lined, they just need new soles. I bought a replacement pair last year, same exact model as the old one's. Wish I had known that the old one's were guaranteed for life before dropping the money on them. I called Cabela's up the next day, and they said send them in, they'll ship a new pair to me, NC.

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Old April 5, 2015, 07:00 AM   #22
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Readily available off of Amazon so this isn't relevant any longer.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_no...words=mink+oil
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