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Old September 29, 2011, 04:47 PM   #826
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Unfortunately we run across the mouth breathing hunters that will try to follow you home and see what you have and camp out in your yard and use your land like its free. If you find a friend that knows how to respect the land and the owner its a much different story.
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Old September 29, 2011, 05:04 PM   #827
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Typical of what I see as a landowner mindset: I'm over run with these, critters BUT I wont allow anyone to hunt on my land. My reaction to that is I hope they destroy every bit of land the land owner owns. Frank
Thats because it belongs to HIM. Its HIS and he can choose to let anyone he wants hunt on HIS land. IF he elects not to let people hunt on HIS land, then so be it. He OWNS it. Wishing someone ill because you are coveting what that person has is LOW ROAD...
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Old September 29, 2011, 07:00 PM   #828
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Funny how so many folks want something for free and are resentful when they can't get it. Generally speaking, the folks being overrun by hogs aren't asking for help, just noting a problem, like having weevils in the cotton.
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Old September 29, 2011, 07:11 PM   #829
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^^^ That's the result of the current gen-X "gimme" generation...
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Old September 29, 2011, 07:43 PM   #830
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And if they do, most often it is from freind and family, OR professional hunters
both are preferred to towny Tommy and his crew of jackasses shooting the place up and trashing it.

Hey Rori, how bout I come over to your house, your office or where ever you get your money, and get drunk, shoot the place up and leave you a pile of trash to pick up...
cause that's what you just wished for.

Funny thing is, people who are nice, and respectful and have established a trusted relationship with the property owner, often get invited to hunt said property

Also it depends on the state laws, someplaces will allow an owner depredation rights or permit to be extend to immediate family, others to 'authorized agents' and some places control those agents to be state licensed PROFESSIONAL hunters.
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Old September 30, 2011, 12:13 AM   #831
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great thread

Thanks Flintknaper for the great thread. I am a weekend warrior hog hunter and your insight is very much appreciated. I am really excited to get out there much more once this blasted drought/ heat ends. Once I can do some shredding so I can see what I"m shooting at I will be out there as much as I can. Keep up the good work.

PS this thread isn't about weather or not we should allow people other than land owners to hunt. This thread is about the tracking, hunting, and eradication of an invasive species, The question of weather or not we land owners should let other hunters onto MY (not yours) land is for another thread.

Thanks and have a great hunt
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Old September 30, 2011, 10:50 AM   #832
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this thread isn't about weather or not we should allow people other than land owners to hunt. This thread is about the tracking, hunting, and eradication of an invasive species, The question of weather or not we land owners should let other hunters onto MY (not yours) land is for another thread.
Correct...and I think most of us understand that. Occasionally... there will be a dissenter come through and post something unrelated to the topic at hand, but I am not upset by their unsolicited opinions.

As I have stated previously, this thread is here for anyone to participate in, it is not MY personal "sticky" or a venue by which to "brag" of my successes.

The Administration/Mods have graciously chosen to leave the thread in place for over two years now. In that time....I have tried to relate/share some of my experiences concerning Feral Hogs. The purpose of which is to help others that might just be getting started.

The thread has NEVER been touted as a "tutorial" (not by me), but if someone can glean something useful from it, then I am satisfied.

Lastly, although I do often share the "story" of a hunt, it is not done with the intent to glorify myself, make claims of hunting prowess or to showcase what is simply a necessary task on the Ranch.

If there is some degree of entertainment to be had, I don't see that as a bad thing, but my primary purpose is to share information with others, nothing else. I am NOT the teacher, just one of the students here, we all learn from another.

So, all view points are welcome here....provided they are germane to the topic of the thread. That is for the Mod's to decide, not me.

Again, Thank You... to the Mod's and Administration for allowing this thread to continue. I hope it will continue to be to the benefit of others and that it never becomes "locked" for getting off track or from Low Road infighting.

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Old September 30, 2011, 11:43 AM   #833
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I have read every post in this thread and not once did I detect any hint of glory-seeking. I have enjoyed reading about your missions against the feral invaders and I hope the narrative continues unabated. Thank you for this thread.
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Old September 30, 2011, 11:57 AM   #834
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Nope, no glory seeking spotted by myself, either. Seems to me like Flint's just a man with a big-bore AR (warms my heart, as I am too), an intense dislike for feral hogs, and a whole hell of a lot of determination to bring the fight to 'em.

Wether he started with it or not, it's obvious by this point in the thread that he's acquired an incredible amount of knowledge and skill in his chosen cause.

Flint, I salute you, sir. Now, let's get back to the bidness of nasty feral hog busting!


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Old September 30, 2011, 10:08 PM   #835
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Typical of what I see as a landowner mindset: I'm over run with these, critters BUT I wont allow anyone to hunt on my land. My reaction to that is I hope they destroy every bit of land the land owner owns. Frank
Careful junior, karma has a way of payin you back for your ill thoughts towards others.
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Old September 30, 2011, 10:58 PM   #836
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So, Flint
Hypothetical (kinda, cause I know half the posters here would love to get some trigger time on your feral hogs)

If you happen to know someone with a hog problem, how to you go about getting permission (in Texas under Texas laws) to hunt their land. What is the courtesy involved.
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Old October 1, 2011, 01:08 AM   #837
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Flint when do you get most of your kills, morning or evening? I have more time to spend up in the stand or watching trails in the evening after work but it seems that no mater what it is I am doing in the morning, if I am out there, then I will get at least a shot at a hog.
They seem extra dumb in the morning, my last kill was while I was standing on top of the feeder filling it with corn at about 7 in the morning. A sounder ( of about 10-12 hogs) wandered out of the brush while I was noisily dumping bags of corn into the feeder, fortunately I still had my 30-30 slung over my shoulder .
Are they getting used to evening hunting pressure (5pm-11pm) and now eating mostly in the morning, Thusly the odd day that I show up to fill the feeder, shred, or whatever they are hanging around because they don't expect me to be there at that time? And If this is the case I would be really tempted to start changing up my hunt schedule just for this.

Thanks for any advice.
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Old October 1, 2011, 05:30 PM   #838
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So, Flint
Hypothetical (kinda, cause I know half the posters here would love to get some trigger time on your feral hogs)
Yes, I get “offers” all the time…. that range from polite, sincere, respectful hunters, to the “If you’ll just let me and my buddies come to your place ONE weekend, we will end your hog problem”!

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If you happen to know someone with a hog problem, how do you go about getting permission (in Texas under Texas laws) to hunt their land. What is the courtesy involved.
Shadow before answering your question…I would like to point out some important distinctions that make Hunting in Texas (whether you are from the State or not) different and possibly more difficult than other States.

1. Depending upon what source you believe, something between 87-95% of all land in Texas is privately owned. Very little public land for ANY use, let alone hunting.

2. The heritage and pride of land ownership in Texas is without equal anywhere else in the U.S.

3. Hunting is deeply rooted in the rural culture here (as in other States) BUT…”property lines” and access to the land are taken much more seriously!

Now, to address your question(s):

As concerns Texas Hunting/Fishing/Game laws…you can consult the link provided below.

I can summarize what is required for an out of State hunter to pursue Feral Hogs (and other exotic or non- game species) if you like.

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publicat..._2010_2011.pdf

Gaining “permission” to hunt someone’s property (versus paying for a hunt someplace), can take place in different forms.

1. You befriend and gain the trust of a landowner/agent.

2. You befriend and gain the trust of someone who has a hunting “lease” and they invite you as a guest.

3. You marry into a family that has a land holding, then keep yourself in “good favor” and you’ll probably have a place to hunt.

4. You “trade” a hunt (something you can offer in exchange for a hog hunt).

5. You possess a Silver Tongue, are able to sell “ice cubes to Eskimos” and “Locusts to Farmers”. You take that ability and a friendly smile… go door to door until you find a landowner willing to let you hunt.
No small task in these litigious times.

Seriously, methods 1, 2&3 are your best bets. The days of easily gaining access to private lands hunting (no matter how bad the depredation is) have been gone for at least 10 years.

Unless you have a lot of time to devote to contacting people and gaining their confidence (hard to do from out of State), then finding a place with a hog problem and getting permission to hunt it will be elusive at best.

IF you do find such a place….”Courtesies” are simple and straight forward.

Just be yourself (sincere and genuine), you don’t need to put your nose up anyone’s butt.

Do not offer monetary “courtesies”… it will only cause offense. If you want to “buy” a hunt they are for sale all over the State.

Ask the landowner if there are specific restrictions he/she may have about where and when you hunt/camp/travel.

Please remember you came here to “hunt” not PARTY, bring your manners with you, if you wouldn’t “do it” at home in front of your family DON’T do it here!

ALWAYS leave the land as good as (or better than) you found it, NO TRASH left behind, no vehicular traffic off of established roads, trails (unless permission has been given).

Leave gates as you found them (If you open one…. CLOSE IT when you go through).

Report any sick/injured livestock to the landowner/ranch manager, also any damage you might happen to notice (fences, buildings, equipment) this helps build rapport.

If time permits, try to find something you can do to “lend a hand” during your visit.

There are still land owners willing to let someone who is sincere, honest, trustworthy and SAFE onto their land (on occasion). And I believe that no small number of dedicated hunters meet those standards.

The task then becomes finding/meeting a landowner and PROVING yourself.

Most landowners don’t really need the “help”, any hogs you take will amount to a small fraction of the population. Any promises that “you and your buddies will eradicate them” will be met with rolling eyes and an immediate understanding by the landowner…. that you don’t know your butt from page 8.

Just keep the relationship one of appreciation (on your part) for being allowed to hunt the land, (you are a guest). NEVER let the privilege dissolve into anything hinting that you are “doing them a favor”.

Do all that…and you might find someplace to hunt, it might be once…it might be for a lifetime.

Most folks (these days)….find it more expedient to buy a Hog Hunt at one of places that offer such.
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Old October 1, 2011, 05:37 PM   #839
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Old October 1, 2011, 07:46 PM   #840
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+1 Flint. Shadow if you want to hunt a place split your time 50/50 run a chainsaw, shredder, or just be helpful around the place and the other half hunt. And you will have a place to hunt for life. The hardest part isn't the work but finding a landowner not jaded by so called "hunters" that come out and trash the place.

On to the actual hunt. I put out another feeder today on the other side of the property. It is much closer to the sometimes creek on the "back 40" and much closer to the huge old pecan grove that follows the creek. next weekend I will cut a path through the brambles and put up a stand where I can watch the main trails into the pecan grove. There is a big old boar or sow that lives down in there. I only see the tracks every once in a while but now that i have started working down there too I will have to put a camera and see if I can pattern the big one.

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Old October 1, 2011, 07:46 PM   #841
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Flint when do you get most of your kills, morning or evening? I have more time to spend up in the stand or watching trails in the evening after work but it seems that no matter what it is I am doing in the morning, if I am out there, then I will get at least a shot at a hog.
Personally, I get more shots in the morning (or daytime), but that is owing primarily to the fact that I hunt them more during the Winter months than in the Summer.

Generally speaking, (undisturbed) hogs will move most when the temperature is most to their liking.

In the hot months…it is cooler at night than in daytime…so it follows that most movement will be after dark.

In the Winter months…I see hogs more around mid-morning… and then again just before dark, but you might see them any time of day. My game cam pics indicate that in the cooler months they will “move” (either to feed, water or travel)…about every 4 hours unless the weather is severe.

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They seem extra dumb in the morning, my last kill was while I was standing on top of the feeder filling it with corn at about 7 in the morning. A sounder ( of about 10-12 hogs) wandered out of the brush while I was noisily dumping bags of corn into the feeder, fortunately I still had my 30-30 slung over my shoulder.
Except for the first few days of life…I’m not sure there is ever a time when hogs are truly “dumb”, but certainly…. hogs are less attentive when not pressured and I sometimes see them do things that appear careless.

I would submit that events like yours are the exception, else… we wouldn’t have so many hogs. Actually, I’ve had more experiences like that with deer than anything else.

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Are they getting used to evening hunting pressure (5pm-11pm) and now eating mostly in the morning,
They will “adjust” to hunting pressure… no doubt about that, but it might be a combination of things I.E. (no hunting pressure in morning and cooler temps in morning). Other times…they just change things up for no apparent reason! I think that’s largely a “female” thing.



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Thusly the odd day that I show up to fill the feeder, shred, or whatever they are hanging around because they don't expect me to be there at that time? And If this is the case I would be really tempted to start changing up my hunt schedule just for this.
Yup, I think you hit it right on the head, they simply weren’t expecting you (hogs pattern US too).


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Old October 1, 2011, 07:59 PM   #842
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+1 Flint. Shadow if you want to hunt a place split your time 50/50 run a chainsaw, shredder, or just be helpful around the place and the other half hunt. And you will have a place to hunt for life. The hardest part isn't the work but finding a landowner not jaded by so called "hunters" that come out and trash the place.

On to the actual hunt. I put out another feeder today on the other side of the property. It is much closer to the sometimes creek on the "back 40" and much closer to the huge old pecan grove that follows the creek. next weekend I will cut a path through the brambles and put up a stand where I can watch the main trails into the pecan grove. There is a big old boar or sow that lives down in there. I only see the tracks every once in a while but now that i have started working down there too I will have to put a camera and see if I can pattern the big one.

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Old October 1, 2011, 08:55 PM   #843
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Flint, I could 'take care' of your hog problem, It would probably take at least a week set up, and another for the initial sweep (or more depending how it was done, and if you were chasing the hogs off to your neighbors or driving them into pens/kill zones) about 500 to a thousand people (20 people per acre/day)

And many thousands in supplies, building materials and salaries, lots of fences, mud pits from vehicles, encampments, crowding. And at the end of the last day, your place would be 'hog free'....

And I'd even offer a guarantee, it'd stay that way until SUNSET...

Or you just keep at it whack-a-hog, and figure it's less damaging in the long run
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Old October 1, 2011, 09:11 PM   #844
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Shadow +1.

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Oh, hell no, only SQUAD (or similar element, since it's civi, we'll just call it 'team') would carry, with maybe a designated gunner per a team

This is like a OLD fashion english hunt (kinda)
The whole place is fenced in, and progressive lines of 'beaters' who's job is to make EVERY thing larger than a mouse run the other way, on the far side, you have funnels with 50m shoots and gates, you run a sounder in, drop the gates, gun them down from kill stations (with limited range of fire) drag out the pork, and do it again, letting the wild life through

Point is 1 out of 5 MAY be armed, the rest are there to do grunt labor (erect fences, literally beat the bushed)
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On a related note...

+1 Oklahoma....

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The Oklahoma Agriculture Department has created a new directory of hunters and trappers to help farmers and ranchers rid themselves of the out-of-control feral pig population.

A spokeswoman for the Ag Department says since the wild hogs have migrated into every one of the 77 counties in the state, the director can be used in the war against the wild critters. The wild pigs multiple on average every four months so the State Ag department's encouraging landowners to make use of the directory.
There is a form to fill out. Land owners can contact the Ag Dept. and they will forward the contact info for registered hog hunters...

Although the AG Dept does no screening. So you, as a land owner, might end up with a Bubba at your door....

Neato.
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Old October 20, 2011, 09:09 PM   #847
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How bright should a tactical flashlight be for night hog hunting?

I'm looking for a small flashlight that I can mount under my AR-10 for use on hogs at night. I don't have a 'tactical' hand guard with rails, so I plan to attach it via the bayonet mount using a KZ 3-Slot Bayonet Lug Mount. http://www.botachtactical.com/kz3balugmo.html

So it needs to be fairly small, and I'd really like to have a remote on/off switch or button although I could do without that if necessary. Mainly, it just needs to be about 1" in diameter (so I can mount it to a weaver rail) and fit under the barrel ahead of the fore grip.

Question: How bright does it need to be? Many lights that appear to be physically suitable spec their brightness in lumens, but I don't have a good feel for those units. I see numbers that range from a low of around 100 lumens up to 250 lumens. Is that sufficient? I'd like something that would allow me to see a hog through my scope at 50-60 yards. Obviously it needs to be fairy well focused. What lumen number should I be seeking?
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This is what I use, but there are other good alternatives out there.

http://www.batteryjunction.com/premi...0-warrior.html

200-250 lumens will be good for about 150 to 200 yds. (Depending upon atmospheric conditions), how good your scope is AND what the background is.

300+ lumens will take you out to 250+ yards. Most shots on hogs at night (most places) will occur less than 150 yds. (many times under 100 yds.), just depends upon where you hunt and your ability to get closer.

I actually use a Red LED light most of the time (out to 100 yds.), though I have the tactical light listed above mounted at all times.

I have a scope, a laser , a tactical light (and usually a RED light) on my rifle when hog hunting (at night) and though you might think it would look like a Christmas Tree (with stuff hanging all over it), I’ve been careful to mount them “high and tight”…so they don’t interfere with the fore-grip or using the rifle.





You could easily do the same thing. Of course, the fewer lights the better.

If you expect your shots to be consistently under 75 yards, then a decent light of 100-125 lumens would handle it easily. If fact, you'll probably find that a white light of that intensity will spook them (they either freeze or run...you never know). Some lights (the one I listed) have different "modes" you can select...I.E. intensity levels, etc.
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Old October 21, 2011, 04:48 AM   #849
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Flintknapper every time i see that rifle in this thread I get the uncontrollable urge to get one like it.

Thanks again for sharing your trials and tribulations with the hogs.
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+1 on the awesomeness of Flint's rifle The other way of going about it would be to put lights on a feeder if you can in your area. Here in Texas anything goes when it comes to shooting hogs so my blind overlooks my feeder that is lit at night by one of these with the solar panel attachment.

https://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/TopNavCatalogSearch?Ntt=moonshine&Ntk=All&langId=-1&storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&N=0&krypto=iCh8P1m15tXJnSJzzSyPFw%3D%3D[/URL]

I don't have an AR so it was lots easier, and cheaper to set this up and use my bolt/ lever guns

just a thought
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