Not again.......! Feral Hog Control in East Texas - Page 9

Flyboy · June 29, 2009, 05:17 PM

Time spent hunting is not deducted from one's lifespan.

DAVIDSDIVAD · June 29, 2009, 05:19 PM

Fun to watch and read, but I bet it's super frustrating to live.

EDIT: I need to make a friend that'll let me hog hunt on his land, hahah.

308win · June 29, 2009, 07:14 PM

I suspect it is a "labor of love" at work here.

Flintknapper · June 29, 2009, 09:58 PM

LWYM425 wrote:

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how come the red light didn't startle him?

M20 Olight……250 lumens (on high power setting), but when used at mid power in combination with a “good” red filter…it does not generally startle them.

http://www.batteryjunction.com/premi...0-warrior.html

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how many hours a week do you spend attempting to preserve this land? (just wondering; seems very time consuming)

Never really kept track (I'm sure I don't want to know).

Flintknapper · June 30, 2009, 08:27 AM

paintballdude902 wrote:

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whats are the tactics for this one? bait and live trap?

Whenever there is a “lone” animal I will attempt to shoot that individual (circumstance permitting). If I were to trap the hog….it would mean much more work on my part.

I would have to put out more corn, monitor the hog on the game-cam, wait until it was comfortable going into the trap, etc…

Problem is: A group of sows has now joined in, so I am pretty much forced to go into “trap mode”.

Lightninstrike · June 30, 2009, 10:20 AM

Just trying to sort out the numbers so I can get a feel for the magnitude of the problem. I went through the thread beginning to end and tried to do a brief summary. Anyone feel free to correct errors I may have made.

May 17 - Trapped 17 hogs
June 2 - Snared alpha boar
June 6 - New bachelor group of 5 boars shows up
June 7 - New assorted group 15 + piglets and Spot shows up
June 17 - Trapped 3 of 5 bachelor group
June 19 - Scooby the coon trapped and released
June 21 - Killer rabbit of Caerbannog close call
June 23 - Lone (big muther) boar hooks up with Spot
June 27 - Shot the lone boar, Spot safe
June 29 - Another boar arrives and a group of sows joins (From assorted group of earlier?)

17 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 22 over a 6 week period and there is already another group needing attention. Playing with averages or extrapolation may not be a valid predictor of hog behavior, but any way you slice it this is a problem that could be as big as a hundred or more per year. Is this "normal" for this part of Texas nowadays?

SciFiJim · June 30, 2009, 11:01 AM

For Flintknapper or anyone else that knows. If you trap them (like on May17th) can they be redomesticated and used as breeding stock?

Flintknapper · June 30, 2009, 12:21 PM

SciFiJim wrote:

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If you trap them (like on May17th) can they be redomesticated and used as breeding stock?

Depends upon what you mean by "re-domesticated"... in terms of how long it would take and how successful you would be.

If you mean: Can they be tamed down and used for breeding, then yes....fairly quickly as well.

If you mean: Will they revert to a domestic state that results in physical characteristics consistent with commercial breeds. Yes, but it will take a long time..(many generations) and some amount of selective breeding would be required.

Domestic hogs are normally bred for maximum meat production. They usually display shorter hair, shorter legs, curled tail, floppy ears, waddles, a shorter snout and broader head.

Those physical characteristics would not be "attributes" in the wild...and are quickly lost (in as little as several generations). In other words, hogs will "revert" to a feral state much quicker than you can achieve the inverse with them.

Feral or truly "wild" hogs...are well adapted to their environment. They have ears that are large and erect for detecting danger. They have "the best nose in the business"...capable of detecting scent particles at a level of only a few "parts per million". The snout is longer (for rooting), the legs longer (for running/traveling), the hair longer (for protection), eyesight is better than most folks give them credit for.

IMO, they also form stronger social groups than do domestic hogs. Domestic hogs (like feral or wild hogs) are very intelligent, BUT their lives do not depend on it.

Feral hogs literally use all of their senses and intelligence to "make a living" every single day.

But, back to your question: Yes genetically speaking, domestic and feral hogs are no different. They are products of their environment and breeding. They are "pliable" with respect to what can be done to change their physical appearance (over time).

~z · June 30, 2009, 02:45 PM

Lightnin, As for “normal for Texas” I’d say about so in areas with a pig problem. If you have the things they like (food & shelter) and not too much pressure you can have a considerable number of pigs in a fairly small area. E TX is pig country, hence the name Piney Wood Rooters. I have been leisurely trapping and hunting for a few farmers and am well on my way to a 100 pig year and I have not been actively trapping since late March. We have a surplus of pigs, I imagine if Mr Flint is kind enough to keep this going till he grows tired of it you may see a 100+ pig year
~z

Flintknapper · June 30, 2009, 04:52 PM

Yes, 100 pigs in a year from this property is very "doable". I really haven't been concentrating on them this year either.

A person needs to take out roughly 70% of the population each year...just to stay even.

Obviously...that isn't happening.

We have been fairly "lax" on them so far. But, some years they really piss me off and I go after them like I was avenging "Old Yeller".

Edit: "Lightnin's" tally above is correct...except it does not include 7 other animals we shot from late December through February. The actual number is "29" to date (6-30-09). It could easily be 50 if I hadn't saved back the first big sounder to attract boars.

But, its not about numbers for me. This all "old hat" and I do not post here claiming any "hunting prowess". I am simply trying to provide some information that may be helpful to others.

Hopefully, all understand...that I am NOT an expert and that much of what I post is "area specific". Still, if anyone can glean something that will aid their success...then I am happy for it. I truly dislike these animals.

Flint.

DAVIDSDIVAD · June 30, 2009, 05:06 PM

I think that a trapping method that had selectivity for hogs needs to be developed.

I think a biologist familiar with the species would be very helpful

paintballdude902 · July 1, 2009, 01:14 AM

have you though about using a pit fall?

what about punji sticks?

just put big signs up cover up the holes and put corn on top lol

i just did some rough figures in my head with all the pigs sofar you have gotten pictures of your total is close to 50 good god

can pigs jump?

id say do a 3 foot fence around the property with barbed wire burried under it to stop diggers

the deer will still get past it no problem

but.... the fence would be expensive and you would have to check the lines about once a week

41 Mag · July 1, 2009, 11:28 PM

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can pigs jump?

id say do a 3 foot fence around the property with barbed wire burried under it to stop diggers

the deer will still get past it no problem

but.... the fence would be expensive and you would have to check the lines about once a week

Depending on how bad a hog wants to get somewhere, any fence short of concrete is pretty much at their mercy.

This was a brand new pen we set up around a protein feeder. It took less than two days for them to wreck the whole sha bang.
http://s49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ting%20-%2007/

KenWP · July 1, 2009, 11:51 PM

I have seen a big boar and a sow take a 4 foot fence with out touching the top. They are more nimble then people think.

paintballdude902 · July 2, 2009, 12:55 AM

alright 6fft reenforced concrete wall with razor wire on top

Flintknapper · July 2, 2009, 10:51 AM

KenWP wrote:

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I have seen a big boar and a sow take a 4 foot fence with out touching the top. They are more nimble then people think.

Absolutely!

How high a hog can jump depends on the individual, but most hogs can clear 3' without really straining.

I use 5' panels on my traps for just that reason.

Some hogs will "climb" also.

paintballdude902 · July 2, 2009, 11:54 AM

that is insane

here the hogs we have are so fat they have problems walking.........but then again they are raised for meat

rodngun · July 3, 2009, 11:37 AM

The more hogs the better...Sorry landowner...dont mean that to harm your place or livestock and fields...I just mean

70/30...70 percent deer -30 percent hog...MMMMMMMmmmm

Flintknapper · July 4, 2009, 08:56 AM

Got a 600lb hog on my game-camera yesterday.

“BushHog”

juk · July 5, 2009, 03:01 AM

good luck trapping that one with a wire fence or snare! Since you would have to shoot it, what caliber would you use to penetrate its armor?

308win · July 5, 2009, 07:58 AM

We had one of those move onto our farm. It must have been a litter mate of yours because it would also follow the tractor and chew up anything in front of it.

Flintknapper · July 5, 2009, 08:06 AM

juk

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good luck trapping that one with a wire fence or snare! Since you would have to shoot it, what caliber would you use to penetrate its armor?

Coincidentally, I just got my long awaited custom "upper" in Friday. It is .458 SOCOM and there is tungsten cored "solid" available for it.

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Speer/...fleBullets.asp

I have a couple of more small parts to gather for my lower, then I need to get my scope mount ordered and I'll throw it all together and post pics.

It is intended to be dedicated "hog gun". No more Mr. Nice-guy.

Flint

Lightninstrike · July 5, 2009, 06:51 PM

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Coincidentally, I just got my long awaited custom "upper" in Friday. It is .458 SOCOM and there is tungsten cored "solid" available for it.

http://www.gunaccessories.com/Speer/...fleBullets.asp

I think I see where you are coming from Flint. A round like that will get really good penetration. Maybe like so:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC8AE...eature=related

Just a thought.

Flintknapper · July 5, 2009, 09:10 PM

Just kidding, but I am tempted sometimes. Pesky hogs!

TAB · July 5, 2009, 10:45 PM

one question....

when drawing those arrows...

did you make "pew, pew" sounds or where they "bang, bang"?

.

June 29, 2009, 05:17 PM	#201
Flyboy Member Join Date: April 19, 2004 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 1,894	Time spent hunting is not deducted from one's lifespan. __________________ Be cruel. Make someone think.

June 29, 2009, 07:14 PM	#203
308win Member Join Date: June 23, 2003 Location: Ohio - The Heart of it All Posts: 2,883	I suspect it is a "labor of love" at work here. __________________ "Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington "I just do what the little voices tell me." Me "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved." Unknown Lobbyist (n): Person with a masters degree in bribery. B.C. (Hart) "I didn't lose it I just forgot where I put it." My Wife "Never corner anything that you know is meaner than you." Unknown

June 30, 2009, 10:20 AM	#206
Lightninstrike Member Join Date: December 1, 2008 Location: Eastern Kansas Posts: 417	Just trying to sort out the numbers so I can get a feel for the magnitude of the problem. I went through the thread beginning to end and tried to do a brief summary. Anyone feel free to correct errors I may have made. May 17 - Trapped 17 hogs June 2 - Snared alpha boar June 6 - New bachelor group of 5 boars shows up June 7 - New assorted group 15 + piglets and Spot shows up June 17 - Trapped 3 of 5 bachelor group June 19 - Scooby the coon trapped and released June 21 - Killer rabbit of Caerbannog close call June 23 - Lone (big muther) boar hooks up with Spot June 27 - Shot the lone boar, Spot safe June 29 - Another boar arrives and a group of sows joins (From assorted group of earlier?) 17 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 22 over a 6 week period and there is already another group needing attention. Playing with averages or extrapolation may not be a valid predictor of hog behavior, but any way you slice it this is a problem that could be as big as a hundred or more per year. Is this "normal" for this part of Texas nowadays? __________________ NRA Life Member, KSRA Member The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. -Thomas Jefferson

June 30, 2009, 11:01 AM	#207
SciFiJim Member Join Date: March 6, 2006 Location: Central California - the red part of a blue state Posts: 187	For Flintknapper or anyone else that knows. If you trap them (like on May17th) can they be redomesticated and used as breeding stock? __________________ The process is the hobby!

June 30, 2009, 04:52 PM	#210
Flintknapper Member Join Date: May 11, 2006 Location: Deep East Texas Posts: 1,444	Yes, 100 pigs in a year from this property is very "doable". I really haven't been concentrating on them this year either. A person needs to take out roughly 70% of the population each year...just to stay even. Obviously...that isn't happening. We have been fairly "lax" on them so far. But, some years they really piss me off and I go after them like I was avenging "Old Yeller". Edit: "Lightnin's" tally above is correct...except it does not include 7 other animals we shot from late December through February. The actual number is "29" to date (6-30-09). It could easily be 50 if I hadn't saved back the first big sounder to attract boars. But, its not about numbers for me. This all "old hat" and I do not post here claiming any "hunting prowess". I am simply trying to provide some information that may be helpful to others. Hopefully, all understand...that I am NOT an expert and that much of what I post is "area specific". Still, if anyone can glean something that will aid their success...then I am happy for it. I truly dislike these animals. Flint. Last edited by Flintknapper; June 30, 2009 at 05:05 PM.

June 29, 2009, 05:19 PM	#202
DAVIDSDIVAD member Join Date: November 18, 2007 Location: Coast of Texas Posts: 1,457	Fun to watch and read, but I bet it's super frustrating to live. EDIT: I need to make a friend that'll let me hog hunt on his land, hahah.

June 30, 2009, 02:45 PM	#209
~z Member Join Date: August 19, 2005 Location: High plains of Texas Posts: 813	Lightnin, As for “normal for Texas” I’d say about so in areas with a pig problem. If you have the things they like (food & shelter) and not too much pressure you can have a considerable number of pigs in a fairly small area. E TX is pig country, hence the name Piney Wood Rooters. I have been leisurely trapping and hunting for a few farmers and am well on my way to a 100 pig year and I have not been actively trapping since late March. We have a surplus of pigs, I imagine if Mr Flint is kind enough to keep this going till he grows tired of it you may see a 100+ pig year ~z

June 30, 2009, 05:06 PM	#211
DAVIDSDIVAD member Join Date: November 18, 2007 Location: Coast of Texas Posts: 1,457	I think that a trapping method that had selectivity for hogs needs to be developed. I think a biologist familiar with the species would be very helpful

July 1, 2009, 01:14 AM	#212
paintballdude902 Member Join Date: June 30, 2007 Location: eastern NC is home but florida is base Posts: 2,724	have you though about using a pit fall? what about punji sticks? just put big signs up cover up the holes and put corn on top lol i just did some rough figures in my head with all the pigs sofar you have gotten pictures of your total is close to 50 good god can pigs jump? id say do a 3 foot fence around the property with barbed wire burried under it to stop diggers the deer will still get past it no problem but.... the fence would be expensive and you would have to check the lines about once a week __________________ I'm willing to die trying to keep them; Are you willing to die trying to take them? The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.-Eleanor Roosevelt

July 1, 2009, 11:51 PM	#214
KenWP member Join Date: February 21, 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 389	I have seen a big boar and a sow take a 4 foot fence with out touching the top. They are more nimble then people think.

July 2, 2009, 12:55 AM	#215
paintballdude902 Member Join Date: June 30, 2007 Location: eastern NC is home but florida is base Posts: 2,724	alright 6fft reenforced concrete wall with razor wire on top __________________ I'm willing to die trying to keep them; Are you willing to die trying to take them? The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.-Eleanor Roosevelt

July 2, 2009, 11:54 AM	#217
paintballdude902 Member Join Date: June 30, 2007 Location: eastern NC is home but florida is base Posts: 2,724	that is insane here the hogs we have are so fat they have problems walking.........but then again they are raised for meat __________________ I'm willing to die trying to keep them; Are you willing to die trying to take them? The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.-Eleanor Roosevelt

July 3, 2009, 11:37 AM	#218
rodngun Registration in progress Join Date: September 4, 2006 Posts: 29	The more hogs the better...Sorry landowner...dont mean that to harm your place or livestock and fields...I just mean 70/30...70 percent deer -30 percent hog...MMMMMMMmmmm

July 4, 2009, 08:56 AM	#219
Flintknapper Member Join Date: May 11, 2006 Location: Deep East Texas Posts: 1,444	Got a 600lb hog on my game-camera yesterday. “BushHog”

July 5, 2009, 03:01 AM	#220
juk Member Join Date: June 22, 2008 Location: Alabammy Posts: 751	good luck trapping that one with a wire fence or snare! Since you would have to shoot it, what caliber would you use to penetrate its armor? __________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil"

July 5, 2009, 07:58 AM	#221
308win Member Join Date: June 23, 2003 Location: Ohio - The Heart of it All Posts: 2,883	We had one of those move onto our farm. It must have been a litter mate of yours because it would also follow the tractor and chew up anything in front of it. __________________ "Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington "I just do what the little voices tell me." Me "I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved." Unknown Lobbyist (n): Person with a masters degree in bribery. B.C. (Hart) "I didn't lose it I just forgot where I put it." My Wife "Never corner anything that you know is meaner than you." Unknown

July 5, 2009, 09:10 PM	#224
Flintknapper Member Join Date: May 11, 2006 Location: Deep East Texas Posts: 1,444	Just kidding, but I am tempted sometimes. Pesky hogs!

July 5, 2009, 10:45 PM	#225
TAB Member Join Date: December 18, 2007 Posts: 2,477	one question.... when drawing those arrows... did you make "pew, pew" sounds or where they "bang, bang"? .