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Old June 6, 2009, 03:00 AM   #1
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range limit for the m1 garand?

what is the max range you could make a center mass shot with a standard m1 garand?

anyone ever heard of mentionable long range hits with the old m1?

farthest confirmed kills?

farthest successful hit on anything?

ive always heard that with an m1, if you could see it, you could shoot it.

not the m1c or m1d, just the plain old girl everyones grandpaw carried in the big one, or korea????????

(like this one)
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Old June 6, 2009, 03:08 AM   #2
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you are right on that

ive always heard that with an m1, if you could see it, you could shoot it.
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Old June 6, 2009, 03:24 AM   #3
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what is the max range you could make a center mass shot with a standard m1 garand?
How much ammo do you have? I'd say a couple miles is doable, if you have the time and the ammo. Wanna give it a try? I'll bring the time and you can bring the ammo.
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farthest successful hit on anything?
I am certain that you could make a confirmed kill of the ground for about 3.5mi., hitting something smaller than the Earth would be difficult though.

I think the Garand is good for about 800yds if the shooter is good enough, but this is just speculation.
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Old June 6, 2009, 03:27 AM   #4
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Records like that don't exist.
"...everyones grandpaw..." No. My Da served in W.W. II. Not with an M1 either.
"...certain that you could make a confirmed kill of the ground for about 3.5mi..." Don't be rediculous.
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Old June 6, 2009, 04:11 AM   #5
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"...everyones grandpaw..." No. My Da served in W.W. II. Not with an M1 either.

my apologies.

it was really just a figure of speech to describe that the m1 i had in mind was the standard issue variety, not the scoped one.

i was going to say "the m1 that everyone and their dog had during that era", but then i remembered that dogs were denied guns from 1941 to 1946, so that would have been false information too
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Old June 6, 2009, 04:31 AM   #6
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if I can see it, I can hit it. in the range thats 3-400 yds.

in combat I'd say 200 max.
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Old June 6, 2009, 12:33 PM   #7
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From a rest I can put a clip into a 10" circle at 200 yards using a simple rest with my stone stock Garand. I'm sure I could make somebody very uncomfortable well past that. Maybe 400+ yards.
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Old June 6, 2009, 01:06 PM   #8
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With correct aperture rear sight, they are regularly accurate out to 500 or 600 yards.

With the Winchester 'battle sight', I can do good hits at 300+ yards, but the hole is GIANT for any real accuracy.

With Good Optics and a REALLY Good Barrel, you can do the same ranges as a .308 Winchester round (7.62x51mm).
I have one that will do 800 Yards with optics and hand loads that stuns about everyone around...

The 'War years' barrels weren't what I'd call 'Super Accurate' and when you start to reach past 300 or 400 yards, the barrel comes in to play BIG TIME!

Get a good Krieger barrel or similar 'Match Grade' barrel and it will become a long range shooter VERY QUICKLY!

I've heard of shots at over 1,000 yards,
One story in particular of a sniper in Korea placed him making regular hits at 1,200 yards, and some hits at 1,500 yards, although there is no concrete information I could find to confirm that...
Still, I wouldn't doubt it, there were some super accurate National Match grade rifles sent over there to be used by 'Sharp Shooters' (over 76,000 in all).

In all, I like my M-1 Garands, but they are HEAVY and awkward to shoot compared to modern firearms...
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Old June 6, 2009, 01:14 PM   #9
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Old June 6, 2009, 01:30 PM   #10
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You can hit it, you just need a good scope to see the impacts.
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Old June 6, 2009, 02:23 PM   #11
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Old June 6, 2009, 03:36 PM   #12
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I know the sights go up to 1200 yds.
I think they have competitions with them out to 1000 yds...the 30/06 travels far...Sgt. Hathcock with a bolt 30/06 had a confirmed in Vietnam of over a mile I believe. I just got back from the range an at 540 yds was tagging a 9" iron triangle, open sights, Field Grade CMP. Greek ammo. That was today,an my witness with a spotting scope said when I wasn't hitting it as was darn close...asked him if he knew it was D-Day....."Ya...it is!" I asked if he had ever shot a Garand..."No"...would you like to.."YES!"....he has a M14, but had never shot a Garand...."WOW, this thing has more kick than my M1A."
He asked me about it....think he'll be
going to CMP...couldn't believe you could get them for 495.00 an they shot that good. I have faith that a well sighted in Garand, Knowing your ranges, knowing how to shoot if theres wind, a good shooter with open sights wouldn't have a problem hitting targets up to 1200 yds.
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Old June 6, 2009, 03:43 PM   #13
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If you couldn't hit a man at 1200 yards, you could most likely scare him back into his hole pretty quickly!
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Old June 6, 2009, 06:27 PM   #14
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I just had my SA Garand out Thursday to see what HXP67 ammo would do at 600yd. There was very little wind (for a change) but I have a hard time seeing the front sight with my presbyopic eyes so I string shots vertically. I leaked two shots into the 6 ring, one high and one low. The 8 shot group was 12" wide by 24" tall. The 10 ring on the 600 yd High Power target is 12" so, with practice, the right conditions and good eyes, the gun is capable of shooting clean. (It's a 2MOA gun at 200yds too.)

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Old June 6, 2009, 07:27 PM   #15
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When I was in boot at MCRD every one had to qualify at 500yds.
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Old June 6, 2009, 08:50 PM   #16
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"...certain that you could make a confirmed kill of the ground for about 3.5mi..." Don't be rediculous.
Uhh...i am pretty sure mav meant just random shooting, the .30-06 bullet can be lethal a bit farther than that...and it would be confirmed, the police would find a dead guy killed by a .30 caliber slug, and you just happened to be shooting in that direction...(as he said though, LOTS of ammo)
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Old June 6, 2009, 09:01 PM   #17
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The standard service rifle match was shot to 600 yards-- at paper targets, from a solid prone position. The Army considered the maximum effective range of the M1 (the range at which the average soldier could be expected to get 50% hits on a man-sized target in combat)to be 500 yards.
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Old June 6, 2009, 11:01 PM   #18
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I fired a stock CMP Service Grade Garand with LC M2 ball at the 600 yard NRA High Power target at a High Power practice night once. I was slung up tight and in a shooting jacket.

I'm not a particularly good rifle shot by competitive standards. I was able to keep most, but not all, of my shots in the scoring rings at 600 yards.

To be honest, I was actually impressed, as this was a stock GI rifle and stock GI ammo and was shot by me, and I'm not a NRA Master level shooter by any means.

So, yeah, combat hits at 500 or 600 yards would be doable for someone who was a "good shot" and if the target was visible long enough. It might not be a "first round" hit though and the target would be likely to vanish if the first round missed.
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Old June 6, 2009, 11:48 PM   #19
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The Army considered the maximum effective range of the M1 (the range at which the average soldier could be expected to get 50% hits on a man-sized target in combat)to be 500 yards.
But that was the Army.


Sorry, I just couldn't help it.
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Old June 6, 2009, 11:57 PM   #20
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i dont want to be standing and a 30-06 bullet flying my way at 2000 yards that's like a 9mm at point blank
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Old June 7, 2009, 12:13 AM   #21
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A .30-06 will easily kill at 1000 yards; "White Feather" used a Rem 700, Unertl scope, and match ammo, His record kill was actually made with a .50 M2 with his 10x scope mounted, taking single shots.
With GI sights, GI ammo, the .30-06 can hit man sized targets at better than 500 yards, it depends more on you than the firearm. Under combat stress 100 to 200 yards is probably max. range for the average shooter.
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Old June 7, 2009, 12:43 AM   #22
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I have a silhouette gong at 475 yards. It is always enjoyable to get someone who is really no more shooter than shooting the occasional deer to consistantly hit the gong. It does not take a lot of coaching to get that to happen with a service grade M-1 and ammo.
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Old June 7, 2009, 02:46 AM   #23
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I know the sights go up to 1200 yds.
I think they have competitions with them out to 1000 yds...the 30/06 travels far...Sgt. Hathcock with a bolt 30/06 had a confirmed in Vietnam of over a mile I believe.
61 Chalk sounds like a Ranger name!

Anyway, This is from Gunny Hathcock's own mouth,
Gunny Hathcock's best CONFIRMED kill was a hair over 1,200 yards, and it was with a .300 Win Mag in a 'Militarized' Winchester Model 70 with a Leatherwood ART 10X optic.

Unconfirmed kills at over 1,500 yards came later, but like I said (and he said),
"That's a "guestmate", since there weren't any reliable range finders back in those days,
And it wasn't like the north Vietnamese would let you measure it off!"

He later made shots at 1,000+ yards with an M-21 (National Match version of the M-14) with 10x Leatherwood ART optic on top.

He's also used Unertl optics and Leupold optics in both Viet Nam & Unnamed "Other Places"....
My guess would be Laos and Cambodia, & maybe Thailand, but who knows with the 'Cloke & Dagger' stuff that was going on back then...
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Second part,

I don't think there is a 'Boot' that can make reliable shots to 1,200 yards, but the rifle will certainly shoot that far!
Maximum range is like 1,800 yards, but I suspect the actual maximum distance is farther than that, some where around 1.25 to 1.5 miles for terminal ballistics...

Mine has Match grade barrel, 10X optics
(period specific Unertl scope and correct mount)
And it will bang out 24" groups at 1,000 yards all day long from rest,
And with good (modern) optics, you can get the groups down to about 15" with 'Good' ammo...

You will have to go with some bench grade handloads to get tighter groups than that,
And 15" groups at 1,000 yards will qualify you for Marine sniper today!

I'm not saying the CMP M-1's will do that by any means,
Many of the CMP rifles have CRAP for barrels, ill fitting bolts and all kinds of problems with the chambering/chambers,
but with good bolt, match grade barrel, and some other work to the rifle, it's good WAY out there!

If you want to take some of the kick out of yours, turn the gas down!
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Old June 7, 2009, 08:28 AM   #24
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I don't think there is a 'Boot' that can make reliable shots to 1,200 yards
Absolutely correct, but look at what we were issued. They certainly were not match grade rifles and definitely not new. We also spent more time cleaning than shooting in boot camp. and using those wonderful steel rods from the muzzle down. At 500yds and hitting the 24" red bull with service grade M1's was pretty damn good.
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Old June 7, 2009, 09:31 AM   #25
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Watched my grandpa do a 8 inch group at 400y with what is now my garand. COM it isn't on your average sized joe, but it still hurts to take one in the outside 1/8th of your body, and that is till pumpkin sized at that distance.
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