VZ.58 Club: - Page 11

briang2ad · June 12, 2011, 05:07 PM

What you need to know is here:

http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/

CZ-USA stopped selling them a couple of years ago. The CP ones are true VZ-58s, Dtechniks - made from a real czech reciever, and real CHF chrome lined barrel. And... Czechpoint is a pleasure to deal with - the price IS the price - you pay nothing else - just go to your ffl and pick it up - period. It is a HIGH quality product with high quality finish. A European barrel and receiver are worth it. It is higher end AR quality (think Colt/Daniel Defense) with CFH barrel - think about what that costs in an AR - over $1000.

US parts are NOT a problem - either buy the $19 mags from CP, or buy AIM and change the followers and bases.

The difference between a Century and a Dtechnik are large. But, some have gotten decent guns from CAI. But, in my book, the Czech receiver made in the same factory as the Czech VZ and CHF barrel are worth the expense.

ifit · June 12, 2011, 05:12 PM

yes cz-usa has pulled the vz58 from their lineup. i have a cz usa vz bought from jg sales couple years back, with the deep gray finish. but others stated czechpoint is the way to go. now you should ask your self, do i want as close as an original vz58(czechpoint)? or the cheaper priced century vz2008?

Maverick223 · June 12, 2011, 07:29 PM

FWIW the VZ-2008s have garnered favorable reviews in the past year or so. I don't own one, so I can't say anything for certain, but I would take the chance on it if I didn't have the loot for the D-Technik. Personally I like the park'd finish better than the somewhat glossy finish on mine, but both are very durable. I do, however, prefer the safety selector and Czech barrel on the D-Technik.

Bohemus · June 20, 2011, 05:56 PM

Lets call it a good company:-)

Maverick223 · June 20, 2011, 07:29 PM

I called Classic Arms a couple days ago, and they informed me that the Vz.2008 was no longer being manufactured (I'm hoping that they meant that CAI just hadn't imported any lately...that much is true). Haven't done any research to confirm that statement, but that is somber news, as they apparently had most of kinks worked out of the carbine.

Anyone know anything about it?

EDIT: I have found a source confirming that Century said no more will be coming...but still no reputable sources.

Yeager · June 21, 2011, 01:56 AM

Old, old, old Century import D-tek single stack rifle. Just need to pick up some 30s and start work on milling out the magazine well.

North Eastern Arms · June 21, 2011, 08:39 AM

Here's a couple of my personal VZ bangers featuring a selection of Neit Arms & NEA upgrades.

Maverick223 · June 21, 2011, 09:53 AM

Welcome to the club, Yeager, that is an old one. Not to discourage you from converting it (which is definitely a worthwhile venture IMO), but don't forget that you also need to swap the bolt for a double stack one (Czechpoint should have what you need).

Welcome to THR and the Vz. club North Eastern Arms. It's great to have a vendor that specializes in Vz. parts and accessories (amongst other things).

Bennybone · June 22, 2011, 09:59 PM

I could see Century limiting production going forward and marketing the VZ2008 as a special edition or limited edition offering at 500 bucks. They would still sale at that price and would be a more profitable gun in that circumstance.

There might also be some shortages in kits (in good shape). Once those dry up them Century could sale the guns "naked" at 400 bucks...

Will await official word but something had to give, ANY gun at 350 dollars is a deal but while the getting was good on the VZ2008 it was a STEAL!

BB

Maverick223 · June 22, 2011, 10:23 PM

The original source escapes me, but the individual claimed that someone at CAI stated that they were permanently discontinued...add in the guy at classic that said the same and the claim is sounding plausible. That said, they could be one in the same and/or simply talking to the wrong monkey at CAI. I hope that's the case, as they seem to have corrected the flawed VZ-2k series with the new VZ-2008s.

Yeager · June 24, 2011, 04:27 AM

How hard is it to cut the single stack receiver to accept 30s anyway? I know about the bolt.

I talked to Czech point about it and they stated that it was all but impossible to do without sophisticated machinery. But I've seen tons of single stack receiver rifles cut to accept 30s on the web.

Maverick223 · June 24, 2011, 09:39 AM

I'm with Czechpoint; personally I wouldn't attempt it without a milling machine, or at the very least a drill press, with a cross-sliding vice, and end-mills...and the experience to adequately run that equipment. If that isn't the case I would take it to a competent machinist or preferably a good gunsmith with experience fabricating weapons and/or performing severe modifications to existing firearms.

In short this booger is magnitudes more difficult to convert than your standard single-stack AK.

Yeager · June 25, 2011, 02:14 AM

Well I know there are no experienced smiths around me that could do the work, and I don't have any heavy tools.

So who out there is doing the work at the moment?

littlebubba · June 25, 2011, 10:35 PM

I just ordered this one:

I apologize if I missed it as I scanned through the thread pretty quickly but could someone point me to a good resource for buying replacement stocks for the VZ? I like the one it comes with but I may want to change it out; I also like the looks of the standard military furniture so I wouldn't mind having it in case I wanted a change. I Googled it but didn't come up with many results. Thanks.

Maverick223 · June 26, 2011, 12:45 AM

Welcome to the club, littlebubba. Czechpoint has folders, fixed wood composite, and a few other options.

littlebubba · June 26, 2011, 10:22 AM

That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!

Maverick223 · June 26, 2011, 02:40 PM

No problem; make sure and upload a photo of the rifle with its new furniture.

cbr954fz1 · June 27, 2011, 05:24 PM

i liked the way bennybone's vz 58 turned out w/zahal furniture now(israeli-weapons.com)....hello everyone, new to the site and my interest in building a vz58 has brought me here... are there any builders here? also my rifle building expirence is limited to fals and afew ar's, so kinda a neewbie to the vz..i do have 2 kits w/receivers, one is a 10rec and the other is the ORF...had them for afew years because the century vz for $400 seemed to be way to go but they're gone and i guess i'm back to building my kits..anyway just wanted to say hello.....cbr

Maverick223 · June 27, 2011, 06:20 PM

Welcome to THR and the club, CBR! I'm not much help, but if you have a specific question about the build I might be able to help a bit, otherwise I would direct any technical questions to fellow member nalioth (amongst others), as he has far more experience than I.

cbr954fz1 · June 27, 2011, 06:28 PM

man i love that long barrel on the vz!! where can i get one? north eastern arms? i mean if i was gonna keep the receiver as a 10rnd, i would want a long barrel..

..thanks for the welcome maverick not many vz forums...and happy to be here..cbr

Maverick223 · June 27, 2011, 06:36 PM

Here stateside, I'm not aware of any retailer that sells long barrels. In CAN, the length is restricted to 18in.+ IIRC, hence the longer bbl.

cbr954fz1 · June 27, 2011, 06:54 PM

but thats longer than 18''...thats a sniper barrel

cbr954fz1 · June 27, 2011, 06:57 PM

ok, my bad...he cut the frt sites and up it on the gas block...

cbr954fz1 · June 27, 2011, 07:01 PM

i kinda wandered what they would look like w/a longer barrel...

North Eastern Arms · June 28, 2011, 08:10 AM

It's a 18.5" barrel. I cut the FS down and installed a railed barrel clamp and railed AR stock adapter, this allows the mounting of AR BUIS sights.

June 12, 2011, 07:29 PM	#253
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	FWIW the VZ-2008s have garnered favorable reviews in the past year or so. I don't own one, so I can't say anything for certain, but I would take the chance on it if I didn't have the loot for the D-Technik. Personally I like the park'd finish better than the somewhat glossy finish on mine, but both are very durable. I do, however, prefer the safety selector and Czech barrel on the D-Technik. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

June 20, 2011, 07:29 PM	#255
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	I called Classic Arms a couple days ago, and they informed me that the Vz.2008 was no longer being manufactured (I'm hoping that they meant that CAI just hadn't imported any lately...that much is true). Haven't done any research to confirm that statement, but that is somber news, as they apparently had most of kinks worked out of the carbine. Anyone know anything about it? EDIT: I have found a source confirming that Century said no more will be coming...but still no reputable sources. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Last edited by Maverick223; June 20, 2011 at 07:54 PM. Reason: Edit

June 21, 2011, 08:39 AM	#257
North Eastern Arms Member Join Date: June 21, 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7	Here's a couple of my personal VZ bangers featuring a selection of Neit Arms & NEA upgrades. __________________ Dave McFaul North Eastern Arms - NEA Follow us on Facebook Member - NRA Business Alliance

June 21, 2011, 09:53 AM	#258
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	Welcome to the club, Yeager, that is an old one. Not to discourage you from converting it (which is definitely a worthwhile venture IMO), but don't forget that you also need to swap the bolt for a double stack one (Czechpoint should have what you need). Welcome to THR and the Vz. club North Eastern Arms. It's great to have a vendor that specializes in Vz. parts and accessories (amongst other things). __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

June 22, 2011, 10:23 PM	#260
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	The original source escapes me, but the individual claimed that someone at CAI stated that they were permanently discontinued...add in the guy at classic that said the same and the claim is sounding plausible. That said, they could be one in the same and/or simply talking to the wrong monkey at CAI. I hope that's the case, as they seem to have corrected the flawed VZ-2k series with the new VZ-2008s. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

June 12, 2011, 05:07 PM	#251
briang2ad Member Join Date: September 3, 2005 Posts: 658	What you need to know is here: http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/ CZ-USA stopped selling them a couple of years ago. The CP ones are true VZ-58s, Dtechniks - made from a real czech reciever, and real CHF chrome lined barrel. And... Czechpoint is a pleasure to deal with - the price IS the price - you pay nothing else - just go to your ffl and pick it up - period. It is a HIGH quality product with high quality finish. A European barrel and receiver are worth it. It is higher end AR quality (think Colt/Daniel Defense) with CFH barrel - think about what that costs in an AR - over $1000. US parts are NOT a problem - either buy the $19 mags from CP, or buy AIM and change the followers and bases. The difference between a Century and a Dtechnik are large. But, some have gotten decent guns from CAI. But, in my book, the Czech receiver made in the same factory as the Czech VZ and CHF barrel are worth the expense.

June 12, 2011, 05:12 PM	#252
ifit Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 735	yes cz-usa has pulled the vz58 from their lineup. i have a cz usa vz bought from jg sales couple years back, with the deep gray finish. but others stated czechpoint is the way to go. now you should ask your self, do i want as close as an original vz58(czechpoint)? or the cheaper priced century vz2008?

June 21, 2011, 01:56 AM	#256
Yeager member Join Date: June 19, 2006 Posts: 81	Old, old, old Century import D-tek single stack rifle. Just need to pick up some 30s and start work on milling out the magazine well.

June 22, 2011, 09:59 PM	#259
Bennybone Member Join Date: December 9, 2010 Posts: 57	I could see Century limiting production going forward and marketing the VZ2008 as a special edition or limited edition offering at 500 bucks. They would still sale at that price and would be a more profitable gun in that circumstance. There might also be some shortages in kits (in good shape). Once those dry up them Century could sale the guns "naked" at 400 bucks... Will await official word but something had to give, ANY gun at 350 dollars is a deal but while the getting was good on the VZ2008 it was a STEAL! BB

June 24, 2011, 04:27 AM	#261
Yeager member Join Date: June 19, 2006 Posts: 81	How hard is it to cut the single stack receiver to accept 30s anyway? I know about the bolt. I talked to Czech point about it and they stated that it was all but impossible to do without sophisticated machinery. But I've seen tons of single stack receiver rifles cut to accept 30s on the web.

June 24, 2011, 09:39 AM	#262
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	I'm with Czechpoint; personally I wouldn't attempt it without a milling machine, or at the very least a drill press, with a cross-sliding vice, and end-mills...and the experience to adequately run that equipment. If that isn't the case I would take it to a competent machinist or preferably a good gunsmith with experience fabricating weapons and/or performing severe modifications to existing firearms. In short this booger is magnitudes more difficult to convert than your standard single-stack AK. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

June 25, 2011, 02:14 AM	#263
Yeager member Join Date: June 19, 2006 Posts: 81	Well I know there are no experienced smiths around me that could do the work, and I don't have any heavy tools. So who out there is doing the work at the moment?

June 25, 2011, 10:35 PM	#264
littlebubba Member Join Date: June 1, 2011 Location: So. Indiana Posts: 31	I just ordered this one: I apologize if I missed it as I scanned through the thread pretty quickly but could someone point me to a good resource for buying replacement stocks for the VZ? I like the one it comes with but I may want to change it out; I also like the looks of the standard military furniture so I wouldn't mind having it in case I wanted a change. I Googled it but didn't come up with many results. Thanks.

June 26, 2011, 12:45 AM	#265
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	Welcome to the club, littlebubba. Czechpoint has folders, fixed wood composite, and a few other options. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

June 26, 2011, 10:22 AM	#266
littlebubba Member Join Date: June 1, 2011 Location: So. Indiana Posts: 31	That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!

June 26, 2011, 02:40 PM	#267
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	No problem; make sure and upload a photo of the rifle with its new furniture. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

June 27, 2011, 05:24 PM	#268
cbr954fz1 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Location: palm bay Posts: 32	i liked the way bennybone's vz 58 turned out w/zahal furniture now(israeli-weapons.com)....hello everyone, new to the site and my interest in building a vz58 has brought me here... are there any builders here? also my rifle building expirence is limited to fals and afew ar's, so kinda a neewbie to the vz..i do have 2 kits w/receivers, one is a 10rec and the other is the ORF...had them for afew years because the century vz for $400 seemed to be way to go but they're gone and i guess i'm back to building my kits..anyway just wanted to say hello.....cbr

June 27, 2011, 06:20 PM	#269
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	Welcome to THR and the club, CBR! I'm not much help, but if you have a specific question about the build I might be able to help a bit, otherwise I would direct any technical questions to fellow member nalioth (amongst others), as he has far more experience than I. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

June 27, 2011, 06:28 PM	#270
cbr954fz1 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Location: palm bay Posts: 32	man i love that long barrel on the vz!! where can i get one? north eastern arms? i mean if i was gonna keep the receiver as a 10rnd, i would want a long barrel....thanks for the welcome maverick not many vz forums...and happy to be here..cbr

June 27, 2011, 06:36 PM	#271
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: 28078 Posts: 11,091	Here stateside, I'm not aware of any retailer that sells long barrels. In CAN, the length is restricted to 18in.+ IIRC, hence the longer bbl. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

June 27, 2011, 06:54 PM	#272
cbr954fz1 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Location: palm bay Posts: 32	but thats longer than 18''...thats a sniper barrel

June 27, 2011, 06:57 PM	#273
cbr954fz1 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Location: palm bay Posts: 32	ok, my bad...he cut the frt sites and up it on the gas block...

June 27, 2011, 07:01 PM	#274
cbr954fz1 Member Join Date: June 27, 2011 Location: palm bay Posts: 32	i kinda wandered what they would look like w/a longer barrel...

June 28, 2011, 08:10 AM	#275
North Eastern Arms Member Join Date: June 21, 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7	It's a 18.5" barrel. I cut the FS down and installed a railed barrel clamp and railed AR stock adapter, this allows the mounting of AR BUIS sights. __________________ Dave McFaul North Eastern Arms - NEA Follow us on Facebook Member - NRA Business Alliance