VZ.58 Club: - Page 17

Bohemus · August 19, 2011, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maverick223

I suppose 20rnd mags would be one reason, but it certainly isn't worth the inferior reliability (7.62x39mm AR mags are notorious for poor reliability/build quality). I do see some utility in modifying AK magazines, but only if you are looking to use a drum (I have considered doing this myself, but don't know if the added ammo is worth the added weight).

I am still planning to work on building some 20rnd VZ-58 magazines (not modded AK mags), but just haven't found the time.

Well, the rifle was build and is used in CZ, 20 (3-5-10-15-20-30-40-75)rd mags are available here and cost less then any AK/AR mag. Only point i see is to show "Yes we can" which is actualy good - if there is reduction for 7,62 AR mags, there surely is reduction for .223 VZ to use stanag mags.

About the drum: its not as heavy as it looks like, but it makes sense only for full auto (no zombies so far, right?).

rocinante: Railed dust cover is approved by AČR and used in A-stan. There is clamp on the other side

Maverick223 · August 19, 2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by navajo

I mostly use 20s in the -15s. Most ammo comes in 20 boxes. Plus one does not have to reload 30 rounds per mag. It gets tiresome.

I'm right there with you on that, however I typically use stripper clips for AR mags, as well as the VZ, which, given the guide on the bolt, is even easier. I would give that a shot and see if that makes loading easier.

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Well, the rifle was build and is used in CZ, 20 (3-5-10-15-20-30-40-75)rd mags are available here and cost less then any AK/AR mag. Only point i see is to show "Yes we can" which is actualy good - if there is reduction for 7,62 AR mags, there surely is reduction for .223 VZ to use stanag mags.

About the drum: its not as heavy as it looks like, but it makes sense only for full auto (no zombies so far, right?).

I would love to get my hands on a 75rnd VZ magazine (it's a drum I imagine), but I am pretty near certain that the beast doesn't exist (in any significant number at least) within the confines of the US. Which is why I have considered converting the AK 75rnd drum (which is decent, but won't actuate the LRBHO, a handy feature on such a large magazine). WRT use, I haven't any real good reason to acquire/use one but it looks like a fun range accessory (the ease of loading is nice too), nothing more, nothing less. 30s, or if all goes well with my workshop experiment, 20rnd magazines will be used for any "serious" work, as well as hunting and most target shooting.

armoredman · August 20, 2011, 09:21 PM

Bohemus, if you can figure a way to get those into the US legally, you've got a market for the 5s for hunting, and the 75s. I'd like 2 5s and a 75 just for grins and giggles.

Maverick223 · August 20, 2011, 11:40 PM

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Bohemus, if you can figure a way to get those into the US legally, you've got a market for the 5s for hunting, and the 75s.

+1, I just don't know how easy/legal that would be. IIRC some other folks attempted something similar, and ended up loosing a shipment to customs.

armoredman · August 21, 2011, 12:06 AM

Yes, mine was about a 4 month wait for 1 20 round mag, heaven forfend I try to get in a 75 round drum, gah.

Bennybone · August 22, 2011, 10:54 PM

Now that the FAB handguard rails are naked, I had to find something to put up there.

I like the color GREEN

I plan to zero the laser at 50 yards and I have the optical scope at a 100 yards, now it is practice practice practice!

Maverick223 · August 22, 2011, 11:16 PM

Benny, I'd very much like to hear how the green monster does on your VZ. The reviews I have read weren't favorable (and, as you know, it isn't exactly cheap), but I like the low-slung nature of the laser and have thought about adding one to my M17 (which has a low-mounted scope and little room for accessories save for the top rail in front of said scope).

Bennybone · August 23, 2011, 09:02 AM

The reviews are pretty tough on this model, LaserLyte Kryptonite (K15) carbine laser, and I have read most of them as well.

I think alot of consumers EXPECT technologies/accessories to work without fail, out of the box, with little to no effort. "I spent 300 dollars on a laser and it won't hold zero"...

Well what they do is they get online, write a poor review and send the product back for a refund or sale it to the next Joe Blow.

Instead of looking for a solution to the problem or reading the manual.

In any case I aim to give it my best shot and put it through its paces and report back my findings.

If it works it will be the best fifty bucks I have spent in some time on gun related stuff.

If it doesn't....

Want to buy a laser

Maverick223 · August 23, 2011, 11:28 AM

You paid $50.00USD for that laser?!? Where on earth did you get it? I have only seen them available for $200+. For that price I'd definitely give it a go too.

Bennybone · August 23, 2011, 11:42 AM

Paid 50.00 cash at the Dallas Gun Show last weekend.

At the time of purchase I tested it and it worked great. By the time I got to the truck and went to use it in the parking garage it wouldn't turn on. I figured I left it on...

Went to the store bought fresh batts, plugged them in and NOTHING

Got to thinking about electronics, they either work or don't, and figured a wire or contact must be loose inside. So I give it a few whacks on the housing and presto laser on. A few more whacks and laser off.

Again, some reviewers have reported this "problem" of intermitent failure or loss of laser during recoil.

I got it home and tore it open and studied it carefully.

I noticed that the windage and elevation adjustment screws are opposed by fixed springs providing counter pressure to the laser assembly within the housing. The laser assembly was resting against the housing, so I ajusted the windage and elevation screws to "center" the assembly within the housing. Pieced it back together and WALLAH! Constant bright green power.

Mounted it on my gun and zeroed it using my scope, the turns are not like a scope with clicks and measured adjustments. In fact it took very little adjustment to get it to zero. Also the manual states that when setting the zero to ensure you end on a clockwise rotation, I believe they have constucted an internal lock to set the screw...

It is my assumption that some users out there are not taking the time to open the housing up and go through the process as I explained and hence they are experiencing some issues with the devices.

I am on the lookout for these at all future gunshows as I think they are worth 50 bucks for sure.

BB

Maverick223 · August 23, 2011, 02:26 PM

If you find another and don't find a need for it lemme know...for $50 or so I'll give it a shot. If necessary, I wouldn't even mind adding a couple drops of blue Loc-Tite to keep it in position.

Nolan_l · August 30, 2011, 05:31 PM

I am looking at getting a vz but cannot find them locally. Any help or links would be great. Used seems cheaper if people are not jacking the price up on those that don't know better. Thanks!

Maverick223 · September 1, 2011, 12:19 AM

[U]Nolan_l/U], welcome to the forum and the VZ club. I bought my D.Technik from TGI a while ago, but rather doubt that they have any available at this point. Czechpoint is the current supplier/importer (TGI was the original, followed by CZ-USA IIRC). If you're interested in a CAI build, I'm not sure who has VZ-2k8s, but I will check to see if more have been imported (despite rumors to the contrary, CAI has decided to produce more last I heard) when I return from a short trip. If I were you Classic Arms would be the first retailer that I would contact.

Bohemus · September 2, 2011, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maverick223

+1, I just don't know how easy/legal that would be. IIRC some other folks attempted something similar, and ended up loosing a shipment to customs.

Umm, how about to make a trip to Europe? You can bring me an Eotech:-)

balance 740 · September 2, 2011, 04:11 PM

Not sure if I should post this on this thread or start another one, but here goes...

I bought my VZ-58 about four years ago. It is a D-Technik rifle that came in a CZ box with one mag. I'm not a rifle guy, but when I wanted a rifle a few years ago, this one had all the features I was looking for in a rifle. So far, I've only got about 1k rounds through it since the nearest rifle range is about 45 minutes away, and they do not allow ammunition with steel casings, which is the cheap stuff I would prefer to shoot. I only shoot this rifle about once a year, if that. If I feel like shooting, normally I choose to spend my money on ammo for my pistols since they are more likely to be used if anyone ever forces me to use a weapon.

Anyway, I noticed something on my VZ-58 a little while ago when I was looking it over and I want to make sure this is normal for these rifles. I took a few pics.

On the image above, if you look to the left of the gas piston, you can see that there is a section on the corner of the reciever that is peening due to the bolt carrier slamming into the reciever when going into battery. If I run my finger across this area, it feels sharp.

More than likely it is due to this raised section on the bolt carrier to the side of where the gas piston pushes on it, that is impacting the reciever when slamming home.

Do you guys have similar imprints in that area on your rifles?

I'm thinking of taking the rifle back to the shop where I bought it from, since the gunsmith there is pretty good, and he has helped me out before on other issues with some other pistols, but I thought I'd ask for some opinions here first on how you guys would approach this situation.

P.S.- I don't shoot with that much grease on the rails, I just put a glob on the rails whenever I'm done cleaning the rifle before storing it.

ifit · September 2, 2011, 06:45 PM

balance, nice cz-vz no kiddin you rarely shoot it judgin by the pics. wow 4 yrs. ago very low serial #

got mine 9/2008
thanks for sharin the pics, and got me wondering about mine and sure enough got the same thing, pics of my cz-vz

as you can tell i have put allot of rounds through it

Maverick223 · September 2, 2011, 06:46 PM

Nolan_l: Seem to be plenty of VZ.58s, but I have had very little luck finding a VZ-2008 if that is what you're looking for, but there are a few on Gunbroker. If that is the route you plan to take, and you don't mind waiting a bit, I would probably hold off till the next imports come in from CAI and use the saved money for ammo.

Bohemus: That's a mighty long "drive" for a magazine.

balance 740: Mine shows no signs of peening, nor does it have a sharp edge at the location you describe after firing a few thousand rounds. I surmise that the carrier's machining is slightly off. Personally I would probably just file the front of the carrier (at the ridge) to accommodate the front of the receiver and provide adequate clearance, but it probably won't hurt anything if you leave it be either (unless, or course, you run your finger down the sharp edge).

Maverick223 · September 2, 2011, 09:09 PM

For those interested, I attached a photo from the centerfire match. For 100yds, prone, using stock irons (using the .310cal. V-Max bullets) I thought the booger performed pretty darn good (and I was almost certainly the limiting factor).

balance 740 · September 3, 2011, 09:39 AM

Thanks guys.

I'm thinking of just filing it down or letting the gunsmith do it. I don't know if it would get worse, or just stop all together, but it is going to take a while for me to find out at the rate that it gets shot.

I should have also said that this little thing is not stopping me from liking this rifle. There is less recoil in the VZ than my friends AK, and it is easier to shoot for me than my AR.

Just reading this thread makes me want to go out and shoot it.

My serial number is 58016**

Maverick223 · September 3, 2011, 12:01 PM

^FWIW mine came off the line about 1k after yours.

armoredman · September 3, 2011, 01:01 PM

I just looked at mine, same mark, I don't think it will ever hurt anything, the areas are very thick solid steel.

ifit · September 3, 2011, 05:23 PM

maverick, thats some nice grouping using irons, might give it a try sometime.
balance, like amoredman said should not hurt anything, as i had more thank 1k rounds through my rifle and no problems. surprised on your serial# thought it will be lower, mine is 009**. i wonder whats the total count of cz-usa vzs they had in their inventory, just curious.

Maverick223 · September 3, 2011, 06:13 PM

Thanks for the kind words, ifit. That is not a typical group for me in any way, but I believe it represents the rifle's practical capability pretty fair (actually I'm certain it can do better with someone with better eyesight).

Bennybone · November 21, 2011, 12:53 PM

Happy Holidays all !

What is the latest with everyones VZ's? I have been itchin to take Dad's out for some shooting but have been too busy with hunting hogs and deer.

BB

Quick Shot xMLx · November 21, 2011, 05:28 PM

Been wanting a VZ58 for the longest now. Definitely getting the Czechpoint Sporter in January(a post-Christmas gift to myself lol).

August 20, 2011, 09:21 PM	#403
armoredman Member Join Date: November 19, 2003 Location: proud to be in AZ Posts: 14,977	Bohemus, if you can figure a way to get those into the US legally, you've got a market for the 5s for hunting, and the 75s. I'd like 2 5s and a 75 just for grins and giggles. __________________ If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous? http://czfirearms.us/ The original CZ Forum, new address.

August 21, 2011, 12:06 AM	#405
armoredman Member Join Date: November 19, 2003 Location: proud to be in AZ Posts: 14,977	Yes, mine was about a 4 month wait for 1 20 round mag, heaven forfend I try to get in a 75 round drum, gah. __________________ If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous? http://czfirearms.us/ The original CZ Forum, new address.

August 22, 2011, 11:16 PM	#407
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 11,076	Benny, I'd very much like to hear how the green monster does on your VZ. The reviews I have read weren't favorable (and, as you know, it isn't exactly cheap), but I like the low-slung nature of the laser and have thought about adding one to my M17 (which has a low-mounted scope and little room for accessories save for the top rail in front of said scope). __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

August 23, 2011, 11:28 AM	#409
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 11,076	You paid $50.00USD for that laser?!? Where on earth did you get it? I have only seen them available for $200+. For that price I'd definitely give it a go too. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

August 23, 2011, 02:26 PM	#411
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 11,076	If you find another and don't find a need for it lemme know...for $50 or so I'll give it a shot. If necessary, I wouldn't even mind adding a couple drops of blue Loc-Tite to keep it in position. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

August 22, 2011, 10:54 PM	#406
Bennybone Member Join Date: December 9, 2010 Posts: 57	Now that the FAB handguard rails are naked, I had to find something to put up there. I like the color GREEN I plan to zero the laser at 50 yards and I have the optical scope at a 100 yards, now it is practice practice practice!

August 23, 2011, 09:02 AM	#408
Bennybone Member Join Date: December 9, 2010 Posts: 57	The reviews are pretty tough on this model, LaserLyte Kryptonite (K15) carbine laser, and I have read most of them as well. I think alot of consumers EXPECT technologies/accessories to work without fail, out of the box, with little to no effort. "I spent 300 dollars on a laser and it won't hold zero"... Well what they do is they get online, write a poor review and send the product back for a refund or sale it to the next Joe Blow. Instead of looking for a solution to the problem or reading the manual. In any case I aim to give it my best shot and put it through its paces and report back my findings. If it works it will be the best fifty bucks I have spent in some time on gun related stuff. If it doesn't.... Want to buy a laser

August 23, 2011, 11:42 AM	#410
Bennybone Member Join Date: December 9, 2010 Posts: 57	Paid 50.00 cash at the Dallas Gun Show last weekend. At the time of purchase I tested it and it worked great. By the time I got to the truck and went to use it in the parking garage it wouldn't turn on. I figured I left it on... Went to the store bought fresh batts, plugged them in and NOTHING Got to thinking about electronics, they either work or don't, and figured a wire or contact must be loose inside. So I give it a few whacks on the housing and presto laser on. A few more whacks and laser off. Again, some reviewers have reported this "problem" of intermitent failure or loss of laser during recoil. I got it home and tore it open and studied it carefully. I noticed that the windage and elevation adjustment screws are opposed by fixed springs providing counter pressure to the laser assembly within the housing. The laser assembly was resting against the housing, so I ajusted the windage and elevation screws to "center" the assembly within the housing. Pieced it back together and WALLAH! Constant bright green power. Mounted it on my gun and zeroed it using my scope, the turns are not like a scope with clicks and measured adjustments. In fact it took very little adjustment to get it to zero. Also the manual states that when setting the zero to ensure you end on a clockwise rotation, I believe they have constucted an internal lock to set the screw... It is my assumption that some users out there are not taking the time to open the housing up and go through the process as I explained and hence they are experiencing some issues with the devices. I am on the lookout for these at all future gunshows as I think they are worth 50 bucks for sure. BB

August 30, 2011, 05:31 PM	#412
Nolan_l Member Join Date: August 30, 2011 Posts: 3	I am looking at getting a vz but cannot find them locally. Any help or links would be great. Used seems cheaper if people are not jacking the price up on those that don't know better. Thanks!

September 1, 2011, 12:19 AM	#413
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 11,076	[U]Nolan_l/U], welcome to the forum and the VZ club. I bought my D.Technik from TGI a while ago, but rather doubt that they have any available at this point. Czechpoint is the current supplier/importer (TGI was the original, followed by CZ-USA IIRC). If you're interested in a CAI build, I'm not sure who has VZ-2k8s, but I will check to see if more have been imported (despite rumors to the contrary, CAI has decided to produce more last I heard) when I return from a short trip. If I were you Classic Arms would be the first retailer that I would contact. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

September 2, 2011, 04:11 PM	#415
balance 740 Member Join Date: February 3, 2011 Posts: 201	Not sure if I should post this on this thread or start another one, but here goes... I bought my VZ-58 about four years ago. It is a D-Technik rifle that came in a CZ box with one mag. I'm not a rifle guy, but when I wanted a rifle a few years ago, this one had all the features I was looking for in a rifle. So far, I've only got about 1k rounds through it since the nearest rifle range is about 45 minutes away, and they do not allow ammunition with steel casings, which is the cheap stuff I would prefer to shoot. I only shoot this rifle about once a year, if that. If I feel like shooting, normally I choose to spend my money on ammo for my pistols since they are more likely to be used if anyone ever forces me to use a weapon. Anyway, I noticed something on my VZ-58 a little while ago when I was looking it over and I want to make sure this is normal for these rifles. I took a few pics. On the image above, if you look to the left of the gas piston, you can see that there is a section on the corner of the reciever that is peening due to the bolt carrier slamming into the reciever when going into battery. If I run my finger across this area, it feels sharp. More than likely it is due to this raised section on the bolt carrier to the side of where the gas piston pushes on it, that is impacting the reciever when slamming home. Do you guys have similar imprints in that area on your rifles? I'm thinking of taking the rifle back to the shop where I bought it from, since the gunsmith there is pretty good, and he has helped me out before on other issues with some other pistols, but I thought I'd ask for some opinions here first on how you guys would approach this situation. P.S.- I don't shoot with that much grease on the rails, I just put a glob on the rails whenever I'm done cleaning the rifle before storing it.

September 2, 2011, 06:45 PM	#416
ifit Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 720	balance, nice cz-vz no kiddin you rarely shoot it judgin by the pics. wow 4 yrs. ago very low serial # got mine 9/2008 thanks for sharin the pics, and got me wondering about mine and sure enough got the same thing, pics of my cz-vz as you can tell i have put allot of rounds through it

September 2, 2011, 06:46 PM	#417
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 11,076	Nolan_l: Seem to be plenty of VZ.58s, but I have had very little luck finding a VZ-2008 if that is what you're looking for, but there are a few on Gunbroker. If that is the route you plan to take, and you don't mind waiting a bit, I would probably hold off till the next imports come in from CAI and use the saved money for ammo. Bohemus: That's a mighty long "drive" for a magazine. balance 740: Mine shows no signs of peening, nor does it have a sharp edge at the location you describe after firing a few thousand rounds. I surmise that the carrier's machining is slightly off. Personally I would probably just file the front of the carrier (at the ridge) to accommodate the front of the receiver and provide adequate clearance, but it probably won't hurt anything if you leave it be either (unless, or course, you run your finger down the sharp edge). __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

September 2, 2011, 09:09 PM	#418
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 11,076	For those interested, I attached a photo from the centerfire match. For 100yds, prone, using stock irons (using the .310cal. V-Max bullets) I thought the booger performed pretty darn good (and I was almost certainly the limiting factor). __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

September 3, 2011, 09:39 AM	#419
balance 740 Member Join Date: February 3, 2011 Posts: 201	Thanks guys. I'm thinking of just filing it down or letting the gunsmith do it. I don't know if it would get worse, or just stop all together, but it is going to take a while for me to find out at the rate that it gets shot. I should have also said that this little thing is not stopping me from liking this rifle. There is less recoil in the VZ than my friends AK, and it is easier to shoot for me than my AR. Just reading this thread makes me want to go out and shoot it. My serial number is 58016**

September 3, 2011, 12:01 PM	#420
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 11,076	^FWIW mine came off the line about 1k after yours. __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

September 3, 2011, 01:01 PM	#421
armoredman Member Join Date: November 19, 2003 Location: proud to be in AZ Posts: 14,977	I just looked at mine, same mark, I don't think it will ever hurt anything, the areas are very thick solid steel. __________________ If total government control equals safety, why are prisons so dangerous? http://czfirearms.us/ The original CZ Forum, new address.

September 3, 2011, 05:23 PM	#422
ifit Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 720	maverick, thats some nice grouping using irons, might give it a try sometime. balance, like amoredman said should not hurt anything, as i had more thank 1k rounds through my rifle and no problems. surprised on your serial# thought it will be lower, mine is 009**. i wonder whats the total count of cz-usa vzs they had in their inventory, just curious.

September 3, 2011, 06:13 PM	#423
Maverick223 Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 11,076	Thanks for the kind words, ifit. That is not a typical group for me in any way, but I believe it represents the rifle's practical capability pretty fair (actually I'm certain it can do better with someone with better eyesight). __________________ Join us in the Rimfire Match! If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. - Ronald Reagan ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

November 21, 2011, 12:53 PM	#424
Bennybone Member Join Date: December 9, 2010 Posts: 57	Happy Holidays all ! What is the latest with everyones VZ's? I have been itchin to take Dad's out for some shooting but have been too busy with hunting hogs and deer. BB

November 21, 2011, 05:28 PM	#425
Quick Shot xMLx Member Join Date: November 5, 2011 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 145	Been wanting a VZ58 for the longest now. Definitely getting the Czechpoint Sporter in January(a post-Christmas gift to myself lol).