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Old November 26, 2013, 04:59 PM   #901
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+1, tell us more.

All I could find in a brief search was these (which are 30s that are pinned to hold 5rnds), are these the magazines that you are referring to, lone-wolf?
Man, I forgot I posted here. Yea, those are the ones I was referring to. I figured if they're up north here, they would of been in the States.
They don't have many good reviews.

The vz2008 is supposed to arrive in Canada soon, but the 18.5" barrel version for Canada is supposed to be up around $900
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Old November 30, 2013, 10:28 PM   #902
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Yes I load the 7.62x39, and the v max bullet is available. This new Winchester round is a totally different type of round, the bullet is designed to split into two pieces. It does look interesting and a break from the norm. Id love to see some ballistic gel tests of it. I'm all for any new developments in the caliber. Its usually the 7.62x51 and 5.56 that get all the new technology, maybe they are starting to see just how many folks choose the 7.62x39 round for home defense and police work. I hope many more follow.
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Old November 30, 2013, 11:10 PM   #903
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I noticed that the V-max is available again, it went away for a while, so they either discontinued it and decided to bring it back or only make seasonal runs. Either way performance has been good.

While I haven't tried the PDX in 7.62x39mm I was utterly unimpressed with it's performance in several pistols, so I'm a bit turned off by the product (and I like most Winchester/Olin ammunition so I'm not biased). That said it doesn't indicate that the performance will be similar in this cartridge, so perhaps I should give it a try. Perhaps I misunderstood the mechanics of the construction I don't believe that it's actually designed to split into multiple projectiles though, I believe that it operates much like a Nosler Partition or similar which has a bulkhead or thicker jacket partway down the shank that limits expansion and promotes deeper penetration (but is hopefully a weaker design so it will expand properly in softer targets). In other words it might fragment and shed some mass but won't form two distinct projectiles after initial impact.

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Old December 10, 2013, 07:56 AM   #904
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Old December 10, 2013, 11:23 AM   #905
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I like that, simple and rugged looking. Metal or polymer?
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Old December 10, 2013, 12:17 PM   #906
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I do too; I'm betting on polymer due to the beefy cross-section and slightly different finish from the folding mech. (notice that the spacer block that attaches it to the receiver appears to be the same finish as the stock, so I believe that is polymer as well). I think it would be mighty heavy if it were Al. and modern polymer construction is more than strong enough for the task

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Old December 10, 2013, 03:46 PM   #907
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Thanks guys, yes stock is all polymer and the 2 adapters are aluminum from storm werkz
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Old December 11, 2013, 02:58 AM   #908
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I read the Winchester site a bit further and see I misunderstood the way the bullet works, the forward core is soft and the rear core is bonded to the jacket. It's supposed to dump energy fast and retain weight. I have used the PDX1 in 12 gauge and it is a segmenting slug that splits into 3 pieces upon entry, so I was thinking along that line. The .410 is the one that impressed me the most, it has 3 copper disks with BB size shot mixed in, sort of like the old "roll of dimes" round. It hits hard, and grouped well in my pump gun. I used one on a leftover Halloween pumpkin behind wet newspaper and it literally just exploded it. I haven't used any of their pistol ammo. I try to keep up on new defensive rounds like the 7.62x39, because I don't like to use my own loads for self defense. I have it on good authority that a lawyer will try to prove you loaded some kind of hot "super killer" bullet and will try to show premeditated intent to kill with it. Self defense being the way it is now days (just look at the Trayvan Martin case), I don't want to give them anything to use against me. I use my handloads for hunting, target, and to store up for SHTF scenarios. I use good commercial "defensive ammo" for self defense in all my firearms.
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Old December 11, 2013, 03:01 AM   #909
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Hey ifit, is that the number 3 stock adapter or the number 4? And where did you get the stock itself? I haven't seen that one.
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Old December 11, 2013, 10:00 PM   #910
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Coalbed, it's the stock adapter #3(straight), as for the stock it's from Tromix
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Old December 11, 2013, 11:56 PM   #911
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So they did a 308 prototype at one time; was there ever a belt-fed conversion tried on the VZ? The accessible bolt carrier would seem to make it a pretty straightforward conversion

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Old December 12, 2013, 02:53 PM   #912
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There was .223 variant in 1970, even bullpup prototype, but ive nevere heard of belt/fed.
There was magazine/beltfed vz.52/57 though..
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Old December 12, 2013, 08:40 PM   #913
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Strange, it seems so "easy" ()

-Top cover attaches pivots on front trunnion block, replaces dust cover and latches at takedown hole
-Feed tray sits atop receiver alongside the magwell, is held in place against it by closed top cover
-Feed pawl and arm mount on the top cover above the bolt
-Bolt has a cam pin sticking up the top to engage the feed arm (or use the bolt handle )
-When feeding, guide arms in the top cover tilt down to guide the round into the breech (I think the Goryunov works like this)
-Bolt face machined upside down (okay, that may or may not be easy)
-RPD belts/drum for simplicity/availability

With a new bolt/carrier assy and the belt-feed unit, it'd basically be a drop-in conversion.

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Old December 15, 2013, 06:57 PM   #914
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Dont you find this bayonet unproportionaly big?

(sometimes i think vz.58 upgraders have gone full retard)
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Old December 15, 2013, 07:04 PM   #915
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Bohemus; I do, but everyone has their own taste. To their credit, that blade affords far more utility because of its greater sectional area and mass (making it more useful for chopping, and other heavy-duty uses). Personally I don't care for it too much, but not because of looks so much as the greater weight (which ruins one of the best aspects of the rifle IMO). If and when I procure one for my rifle, it will be the standard issue "skinny" blade with wood composite handle...that will match my rifle's furniture and keep the weight to a more practical level.

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Old January 8, 2014, 09:25 PM   #916
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AIM Century VZ

The $499 deal on AIM is back for the VZ-2008s. Sounds hard to beat coming with 5 mags. I reload for .30-06 and don't have a "defensive rifle." Intrigued by the 2008 because it slugs at .308 from what I've heard.

Anyone care to talk me out of this?
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Old January 8, 2014, 10:38 PM   #917
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Heckuva deal, that. A parts kit is 3 bills these days, and you still have to buy or cobble together a receiver (100 to 200 more buckaroos). These Century builds don't have hardly any of the bad rap that most, well all, their other products have, either. Helps keep prices low

If ya'll don't mind, indulge me in a bit of "market research." Were I to come up with a bolt-on* method of converting the VZ to take RPD belts/drums with no other permanent modifications, what would you be willing to pay? Obviously it's not even off paper at this point, but I've solved most of the design questions and it still looks plausible. I'm not seeing dollar signs here or anything, I am mostly curious if this is a majorly under-served area the VZ market has been crying for with quiet desperation (lord knows the AR market has been given how expensive that belt fed upper is ). Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not say publicly

*It would take the form of a top cover attached to the two receiver take down pins (pivots on the front one), about 1/2" taller than the existing receiver, and we'll say 3" wide at the feed tray. Normal mags could be used if the belt was removed but the cover left in place.

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Old January 9, 2014, 12:47 AM   #918
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I took delivery of one of the $499 AIM VZ2008's a few weeks back and I really like it so far. It shoots into about 3 inches at 100 yards with 1970 dated Yugoslavian surplus and I haven't had any negative issues yet with over 600 rounds downrange.

The best attribute of these weapons (in my opinion), is their light weight and excellent handling. Maybe it's just me, but I think hanging a 100 round belt and the drum to contain it would ruin the balance and handling of the weapon.

In addition the weight and complexity of the additional parts needed to use a belt would probably have a negative effect on reliability (never a strong point of the RPD feed system to begin with).

Now if you could come up with a RELIABLE conversion for 75 round RPK drums that didn't involve any alterations to the weapon, I think you'd have a real winner.
If you were able to design a method whereby your converted mags were also able to activate the bolt hold open (again with no alterations to the weapon), you might well make enough off your invention to retire.
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Old January 9, 2014, 12:48 AM   #919
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Anyone care to talk me out of this?
Can't. First of all I don't own one, so take the following with a grain of salt: I've heard (and read) nothing but good from the more recent batches of the VZ-2008, so I'm going to have trouble talking you out of it, but I'll play devils advocate and give it a try. It doesn't have a hammer forged/chrome lined bbl (and, at least in some cases, a properly sized barrel diameter), or properly positioned safety for easy manipulation. In other words I wouldn't trade my TGI imported D-Technik for one...on the other hand I'm not so sure that I would purchase my vz.58 over again if the VZ-2008 were available (or at least prevalent) at the time of purchase, because it's really hard to make a case for the features listed above being worth twice as much (unless you need it to be 100% serviceable for long periods of time in harsh environments without proper care). While on the topic of other variants, the OOW VZ-2000, on the hand, is an abomination from most every report I've heard (if anyone has other experiences please share them)...improperly reverse-engineered, exhibits poor quality construction, and is quite costly by comparison. IMO there's only two worthy competitors the vz.58 and the VZ-2008. If you have the funds for one that's a little nicer, I would invest in the former...if not (or perhaps there's something else on the list that the left over funds could be used for) be frugal and purchase the later, which should still serve you well for a long time if you treat it right.

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If ya'll don't mind, indulge me in a bit of "market research." Were I to come up with a bolt-on* method of converting the VZ to take RPD belts/drums with no other permanent modifications, what would you be willing to pay?
Not to discourage you, but while I believe it to be a neat concept I doubt that I would pay much for it (maybe $200-300, which I doubt is feasible). While it would be fun, it would add too much weight to the platform to be practical to leave on there and probably take a fair bit of work to dismount/remount even if it is bolt-on. OTOH, I'm a bit atypical...I prefer my 20rnd magazines to the 30s because of bulk and weight, so if you get it right I bet you could sell a few for far more than I'm willing to pay.

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Old January 9, 2014, 01:17 AM   #920
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You Sir, have my undivided attention!
Do you mind me asking where you got your 20 round mags and how much you had to pay for them?
Also, how's the reliability compared to the 30 rounders?

The only 20 round mags I've seen were from Zahal and I'm not really keen on ordering "hi cap" mags from overseas, in addition to that, I read somewhere that the Zahal mags weren't particularly reliable.

For anyone that's in need of additional 30 round mags, Buds Guns has them available at $59.00 per pouch of four.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id/712002719

The description says "Factory New", I ordered several pouches worth last night but haven't taken delivery yet so I can't vouch for actual condition.
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Old January 9, 2014, 01:56 AM   #921
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Do you mind me asking where you got your 20 round mags and how much you had to pay for them?
Got 'em out of my shop for the cost of 30s + conversion parts. Instructions are found within post no.: 578 & 579. I know the thread has become long (and therefore not easily navigable) so here's another little 'modification' I'm quite proud of. Enjoy!

P.S: PM me if you haven't the tools or time to build the magazine(s) yourself and I can work up a fair price to make you a few.
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Old January 9, 2014, 08:57 AM   #922
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"Now if you could come up with a RELIABLE conversion for 75 round RPK drums that didn't involve any alterations to the weapon, I think you'd have a real winner.
If you were able to design a method whereby your converted mags were also able to activate the bolt hold open (again with no alterations to the weapon), you might well make enough off your invention to retire."
The drum conversions are unreliable? Mine was at first, but I opened up the feed lip a hair and it runs great, now . The worst part was the tail of the spring coming un-riveted and fixing that, but that wasn't the conversion's fault. The loss of the bolt hold open is unfortunate, but I'll bet a fix for that isn't super hard to come up with; I'll add that to the list of "ideas" --a drop in bolt catch trip for the AK drum followers

As far as weight and bulk, I was skeptical too, until I had the RPD drum/belt in hand; they are marginally larger in diameter to the AK drum, but actually weigh a bit less (unloaded, of course ). As anyone who's used one knows, the RPK drum is far more "reasonable" on the VZ than the AK due the shorter grip spacing; the heavier weight is evenly placed on both hands and closer to the body. If the belt conversion works (emphasis also on "if" ), you'd have a platform more compact and lighter than the RPD or M249 that still runs mags (without destroying them).

I am very cognizant of VZ users' desire for light and compact platforms, thus my desire for a belt fed with the same qualities . The biggest stumbling block for the idea is probably that VZ owners tend to view the gun very pragmatically, since it is such a practical and effective design, and may resist converting it into a pure range toy, even temporarily

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Old February 2, 2014, 02:19 PM   #923
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VZ58 20 Round mags

Hi from Canada. For those who are looking for 20 round mags for the VZ58 try Corwin Arms in Kamloops BC.
They don't have any listed at the moment, but they have carried them in the past, but may have a limited quantity. They also carry VZ58 accessories, and will also ship to the US. I have had no issues with them.
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Old February 2, 2014, 11:14 PM   #924
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Welcome to the forum, neighbor! As far as the Corwin Arms 20s, are they shortened or just pinned to reduce capacity (which IMO defeats the purpose of a lower capacity magazine)?

Also, and please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm a little skeptical of your first post. How do you know that they ship to the US if you live in CAN (perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see that listed on the website)? Additionally, you didn't actually mention owning a VZ variant (which isn't requisite to posting in this thread, and for all I know you have them by the pile, but I think most would agree that it is a bit odd that you didn't at least mention it in your post considering the nature of this thread). I hope that I'm wrong, but I suspect that you are an employee (or perhaps a paid spokesperson) of said retailer. If that is the case, that's perfectly fine (there are many more here at THR and barring a recent change you needn't a paid membership unless you use the forum for sales), but please be up front about it to begin with...there's no need for shady tactics here.

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Old February 9, 2014, 01:04 AM   #925
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So I have the vz2008 and I have been thinking of getting the dust cover with the rail .. Has anyone used this on a vz2008 and will this even fit on this gun? .. I have been looking for other options but the choices are limited.. The NEA's Cantilever scope mount is no longer in production and the side mount seems to stick up to high for my needs.. Any suggestions guys?
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