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Old March 1, 2011, 11:19 AM   #201
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Thanks Maverick! Unfortunately Right after I purchased the guns their status went from in stock to back order.
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Old March 1, 2011, 12:32 PM   #202
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Bummer. Well you know what they say; good things come to those that wait (but somehow I don't think the guy that wrote that was waiting on a new firearm...or two ).

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Old March 28, 2011, 01:33 PM   #203
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Well I went with one Czechpoint rather than 2 CAI's. Very happy with my purchase, the gun shoots better than I do.

Still plan on adding one more to the collection, CAI or CSA, haven't decided yet.


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Old March 28, 2011, 06:04 PM   #204
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Nice carbine, SsevenN!

I like your paracord wrap on the buttstock, that was my only modification to mine (so far).

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Old March 28, 2011, 06:05 PM   #205
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Yeah my first and last modification to the gun, it's my KISS rifle. Seeing as how my primary MSAR is very overbuilt.
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Old March 28, 2011, 06:16 PM   #206
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Yep, nice to keep it lightweight...like it was designed. When you get to the point of doubling the weight and adding items that interfere with ergonomics and controls...well you might as well have an AK.
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Old March 28, 2011, 06:29 PM   #207
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Oh snap!
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Old March 28, 2011, 08:43 PM   #208
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Since the CAI rifles are around half the price of the Czechpoint it seems one could do a lot of gun smithing and still have money left. Are the CAIs that messed up?
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Old March 28, 2011, 08:51 PM   #209
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Since the CAI rifles are around half the price of the Czechpoint it seems one could do a lot of gun smithing and still have money left. Are the CAIs that messed up?
No they are not messed up at all. I went with 2 CAI rather than 1 czechpoint and am very happy with my purchases. YMMV but I doubt it. Most owners are pleased. competitors not so much.
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Old March 28, 2011, 08:54 PM   #210
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Since the CAI rifles are around half the price of the Czechpoint it seems one could do a lot of gun smithing and still have money left. Are the CAIs that messed up?
No they are not messed up at all. I went with 2 CAI rather than 1 czechpoint and am very happy with my purchases. YMMV but I doubt it. Most owners are pleased. competitors not so much.
Dealing with Century-produced (not Century-imported) guns is always a roll of the dice.
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Old March 28, 2011, 09:27 PM   #211
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Thanks for the responses.
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Old March 28, 2011, 11:45 PM   #212
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The Century guns are scarce at the 359.00 price point, if you are looking for one of those I would suggest waiting a couple of weeks and checking J&G sales, Classic Arms, or some other sites daily. Seems like lots of 5 - 10 are trickling out from CAI.

I was going to buy a CAI and do a head to head comparison but that didn't work out. I too thought for the price of a Czech VZ58 you could have a century build and a nice optic for the same price.

Problems to watch for fitament issues with the Zahal kit or FAB defense kit as you see on my weapon, they say it may not fit correctly.

Also the barrels on the CAI seem to be threaded a slight bit off so buying a muzzle brake and screwing it on may not be as easy as it would seem.

Lastly Dan @ Czechpoint says the exterior of the CAI receivers have a slight ridge to them which may be required to be brought down if you choose to add a side rail mount from his company.

Rociante is right, competitors are feeling the pinch of CAI's price however I believe even more concerning is the attitudes of owners. LUCKILY this Club seems to play it fairly straight up and be low key about the CAI vs D-Technik (Czechpoint) arguments.

Lets hope it stays that way......

Here is my latest configuration on my VZ58, I picked up an Aimpoint PRO and I am sending the gun in for a side rail mount this week.



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Old March 29, 2011, 12:54 AM   #213
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+1 for Classic Arms if considering a CAI VZ-2008 (or most anything else), they seem to be good folks to deal with.

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Old March 30, 2011, 06:07 PM   #214
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It's kind of nice to hear substantially positive remarks concerning the CAI VZ2008's. I have been considering selling off my Sun Devil AR and buying a couple. I'll have to weigh it out for now.
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Old April 9, 2011, 08:12 PM   #215
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pics of my vz2008s

each has a cnc warrior brake, fab grip, caa stubby vertical grip, grenade launcher pad. I used 5/16 fuel line hose and athlectic tape to make the folder more comfortable. Both will soon have a home grown quick mag release. First attempt my steel was too light of a gauge. Got a thick cookie sheet pan for 1.25 at a thrift store as a donor for attempt 2. Yep it is true. I be cheap.

Thang one I went with a fab hand guard and a chinese aimpoint clone. Had the red dot on an SKS before and it is better than what you may think. Looks like Bennybones and I had similar ideas.



thang two I got the synthetic top and bottom guards from czechpoint. I like its more slender classy line look. I J.B.Welded a Ruger pistol rail on the top and bolted on one of the FAB side rails on the bottom. To make the top really not move at all I squeezed each end in a vise to make it a super snug (i.e. almost not slip on at all) fit. It has a Primary Arms Red Dot on it.



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Old April 9, 2011, 08:48 PM   #216
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Lookin' good rocinante. I have thought about adding an Trijicon RMR Dual Ill. Sight and probably a Magpul AFG to mine if and when I add a FAB poly forearm.

Speaking of which, these do install the same way as the original (with a captured pin & tabs in the front), correct?

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Old April 9, 2011, 10:23 PM   #217
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The fab stuff installs just like stock. You will probably have to cut the metal tabs holding the top plastic piece in to replace it with the FAB piece. The top does have tabs that rest on the bottom piece to aid in stability.

I thought about AFG but one review is it is kind of narrow and didn't feel comfortable to the hand. With the vertical grip I have room to hold the hand guard naturally if I want to. I have thought about experimenting with the stock lower guard I have and building a palm swell like some AK stocks have.
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Old April 9, 2011, 11:24 PM   #218
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That is what I thought, thanks for the confirmation. What i'd really like to find is a Al. upper handguard like the Troy (without having to buy the lower as well; I actually like the stock impregnated wood ones and could do without the additional cost), but they are unavailable as best as I can tell.

As far as the AFG I believe it is an outstanding solution to the problems inherent with a traditional style forward grip. I love mine.

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Old April 10, 2011, 12:09 AM   #219
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maverick here is a thread where AFG was attached to your hand guard.
http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=39349.0
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Old April 10, 2011, 11:22 AM   #220
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Thanks for the link. That doesn't look too bad...in fact I like it alot. The only problem is the lack of solid rail for optics on the upper handguard (and the standard one isn't stable enough to attach one).

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Old April 10, 2011, 12:00 PM   #221
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The only problem is the lack of solid rail for optics on the upper handguard (and the standard one isn't stable enough to attach one).
I will contest that statement. My DIY top rail is just as stable and non moving as the FAB replacement. Squeeze the ends of the top cover enough and it is solid.
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Old April 10, 2011, 04:34 PM   #222
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I don't know about your's (perhaps the polymer is a bit tighter fitting) but my wood impregnated one is mighty wobbly. I might play with it and see if I can tighten it up a bit, but I doubt that I can get it as solid as i'd like.

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Old April 10, 2011, 05:05 PM   #223
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Maverick the metal ends, the polymer, and the rail are all connected on my set up. Yeah just the insert itself has play but not the way I did it. If you didn't like it that way you could drill holes through the insert and metal and find it with screws but I didn't find it necessary and I was afraid there wouldn't be enough clearance under the cover.
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Old April 10, 2011, 05:15 PM   #224
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I might give it a shot...would save me quite a bit and allow me to retain the lightweight furniture that I prefer. Chicago screws might work and should be more than strong enough for a massive, hefty Trijicon RMR (I think they're sub-2oz. w/ mount). I'll keep everyone posted as to how well it works out after I purchase an optic to go atop it.

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Old April 10, 2011, 06:09 PM   #225
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I think I spent 7 for the top and 12 for the bottom from czechpoint.
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