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Old Today, 11:30 AM   #1
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New 51 Pietta Navy 44 Cal, rusted barrel and cylinder

Hey guys, Im new to fourms but bare with me. Im new to BP but have always been interested in it. I went muzzleoading hunting for whitetail and got hooked. In August I bought a 51 Pietta Navy 44 cal from one of those Redy Packs offered from.Traditions. Over corse of 2-3 days I shot 4 or 5 rounds out of it. Its been a couple weeks.... and I forgot to clean it. Ive always been frugle about cleaning but i figured 4 or 5 shots wpuld cause the rust issue. Im mean back in the day if u were in combat or on the range u usually dodnt have time to clean ur gun either. Regardless, I checked it the other day and noticed the rust. I used solvent to clean out the barrel and cylinder along with Rem oil to clean the the gun. Checked it today and there is no change in the rust. I checked replacement parts from Taylors and company and it cost 239 without tax, bascially the cost of the gun when i bought it a month ago. So mu question is, is there anyway to remove the rust without taking it to a professional or removing the bluing? If all else fails I will have to replace the parts but if i dont have to id rather not. I know rookie mistake but Ive certainly learnerd from it. Thanks again guys
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Old Today, 11:46 AM   #2
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You don't need to replace the rusted parts - why would you want to -, just clean the rust off. RB17 (http://www.rb17usa.com/ ) and 0000 steel wool will safely remove the rust without hurting the bluing.
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Old Today, 11:46 AM   #3
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Disassemble completely, remove all visible rust, relubricate. Shoot it, you probably won't notice any difference in accuracy. Just clean it and keep it lubed from now on.

You got nothin' to lose at this point!

Good luck.
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Old Today, 12:19 PM   #4
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Don't make no sense to replace the parts on the new gun you have , the amount of time that gun was left un-cleaned , what 3-4 days it'll only be surface rust and will come off easy enough in the way the guy's said above.

You learned a valuable lesson so ..... Don't do it again ,,, LOL..
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Old Today, 12:28 PM   #5
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How would I use the steel wool to clean inside the cylinder and barrel? Have u personally used the Rb17 before? Also for future refernce how do I upload the pics?so you guys can see how bad the rust is, time frame its sat for probably 2 weeks
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Old Today, 12:40 PM   #6
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How would I use the steel wool to clean inside the cylinder and barrel? Have u personally used the Rb17 before? Also for future refernce how do I upload the pics?so you guys can see how bad the rust is, time frame its sat for probably 2 weeks.
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Old Today, 12:44 PM   #7
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I've been using RB17 for over 20 years. Wrap the steel wool around a jag to clean the chambers & bore.
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Old Today, 12:52 PM   #8
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So its ur go to when it comes to rust on BP firearms. What are some tips on using it or anything special I have to do? Or can i just run it on a patch and run through the cylinder/barrel like nothing. Also, when cleaning the cylinder i should remove the nipples correct?
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Old Today, 01:27 PM   #9
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Yes, remove the nipples, clean thoroughly, and apply Never-Seize to the threads before reinstalling.
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Old Today, 01:59 PM   #10
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A good buddy of mine recomended a diluted soultion of sulfuric acid would take care of the rust. What do you guys think? Think id be to strong of an acid and eat at the bluing or no?
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Old Today, 02:28 PM   #11
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A good buddy of mine recomended a diluted soultion of sulfuric acid would take care of the rust. What do you guys think? Think id be to strong of an acid and eat at the bluing or no?
He really is not a good friend!

Vinegar will remove bluing. What do you think sulfuric acid would do??!!

Please follow Fingers McGee's advice.

You probably still have a very functional gun. Some guns with deeply pitted bores still produce acceptable accuracy. If you don't already know how to take care of a black powder revolver, look at the "stickies" at the top of the forum menu.

Perhaps this will be helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk5CMtWquGM

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Old Today, 03:25 PM   #12
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Is there a place I can order RB17 off the net? Or is the only way the company ships is by order over the phone?
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Old Today, 05:36 PM   #13
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For light rust in the bore I would just use a bronze bore brush and some oil in lieu of the steel wool and oil idea. The wool and oil I use on any exterior spots.

Expect anything that will attack and chemically remove rust to also remove bluing. Bluing is a form of iron oxide after all. So anything you want to use only inside the bore will need to be a product you can control to a strong degree so it does not run onto the outside of the barrel. Frankly a bronze brush and some oil will do a good enough job that other chemicals are simply not needed.

I don't clean my smokeless guns every time I go out. But my black powder guns get cleaned the evening after a shooting day or at worst the next day if I got in too late and was too tired. The fouling has a strongly corrosive salt as one of the byproducts. By itself it won't attack the metal. But the salt itself is also strongly hygroscopic. So if your region is fairly humid it will pull moisture out of the air to form a corrosive crust. So that's why it needs to be cleaned fairly soon after. And not left.
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Have no worries. These pistols were both rusted solid. I had to use naval jelly to remove from barrel and bore. Nipples were rusted beyond replacement. Got cylinders from some good fellow on this or SASS forum.

They shoot fine even wth some pitting in barrels.


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Old Today, 07:44 PM   #15
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I order RB17 from the website. A 16 oz bottle will last a long time. I mis-spoke about the jag wrapped in steel wool. I shoulda said a bronze bore brush wraped in 0000 steel wool. I always take the nipples out when cleaning a C&B cylinder.
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