Quantcast
The RUGER OLD ARMY Club - Page 69 - THR
THR  

Go Back   THR > Tools and Technologies > Blackpowder Shooting

Welcome to THR
You are currently viewing our site as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have, access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!


If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit the help section.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old August 16, 2013, 11:33 PM   #1701
swathdiver
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 18, 2010
Posts: 434
I understand now, thanks!
swathdiver is offline  
Old August 27, 2013, 11:03 PM   #1702
Onty
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 25, 2003
Posts: 166
Cylinder conversion for 209 shotgun primers

I would like to inform you that I manage to find the source of those conversion cylinders using 209 primers in Cap & Ball revolvers.

Just to remind you:



Well, those cylinders were manufactured by Howell Old West Conversions LLC. http://www.howelloldwestconversions.com/index.html . I contacted them several times and they are willing to make them for us. The prices are estimated from $255 to $345, depending on quantity ordered and material, (blue steel or stainless steel).

Also, according to their website http://www.howelloldwestconversions....ECE4DA2EE93311 , stainless steel will be $15, and fluted and beveled cylinder will be additional $35. I expect that for our cylinders charges will be close to those listed.

Idea is to have option for stepped cylinder, so it will take one of those SWC 250-255 grains, and have powder space as for 45 Schofield, hence we can use those loading data for smokeless powder. Stepped cylinder will prevent from pushing bullet too far into cylinder, thus preventing powder space to be reduced.

In addition, I would like to have option of very short counterbore .456-.457 dia so SWC and other standard bullets with oversized dia could be inserted, and squeezed on .4520-.4525 when pressed in, instead of shaved as we have situation with original cylinders. I will contact them and see if they could make a sample, first without initial counterbore, and later with it as described, and check is any difference in accuracy. I expect tighter seal with later, especially with standard bullets, however, standard bullets will certainly require some sort of press to drive them in.

As for firearms, I was thinking of Ruger Old Army and Remington 1858, because they are the most numerous. I can list other models, but be aware that if the number of potential customers is small, the cost will be higher than for Ruger or Remington.

Cylinders:

Ruger Old Army, 45 cal, Schofield chamber
Ruger Old Army, 45 cal, straight chamber
Remington 1858, 44 cal, Schofield chamber
Remington 1858, 44 cal, straight chamber

Other options; stainless, fluted and beveled

Please let me know what do you think. Also, let me know if you would like to have Remington 1858 36 cal cylinder. If there is sufficient number of potential customers, I will start the thread on Castboolits, and inform shooters on other websites. More customers means lower prices.

Important note; manufacturer informed me that they will ship noted cylinders within USA only. Regarding potential buyers outside USA, as far as I know, Cap & Ball (front loaded) firearms and parts are not subject to USA export permit. However, this will be checked by a dealer located in Canada, and if everything works OK, he will be shipping them world wide.

Last edited by Onty; August 28, 2013 at 08:49 PM.
Onty is offline  
Old August 28, 2013, 06:53 AM   #1703
toolslinger
Member
 
 
Join Date: November 14, 2009
Posts: 231
Wow I think I would like a couple of those. I am thinking 777 and Kaido bullets. Does that sound plausible in an ROA?
toolslinger is offline  
Old August 28, 2013, 11:37 AM   #1704
Patocazador
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 8, 2012
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,859
If I read the post accurately, it says that there would only be enough room for powder for a Schofield load. If 209 primers could be used, perhaps BH 209 would be a good choice over 777 since it is about 30% more powerful than BP. 777 is 15% more powerful.
__________________
Life's short, have some fun.

Bob
Patocazador is offline  
Old August 28, 2013, 12:04 PM   #1705
rodwha
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 28, 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,771
You don't need a special cylinder or ignition source to shoot Triple 7 or Kaido's bullets. I use up to 35 grns of 3F T7 and a 240 grn Kaido bullet with a Rem #10 cap.

From what I've seen BH 209 and T7 give quite similar velocities (rifles), but 209 is more consistent and easier to clean.
__________________
_________________________________________________________________________________
"Were I to leave where else would I go? Your words of life and of truth You hold." - Third Day

Forget not that He left His throne to pay our price, and a hefty one it was indeed!

"I ask not the favor given to Paul," Copernicus said, "I seek not the grace bestowed upon Peter--but I beg the mercy granted to the thief on the cross!" - Alexander Smellie 1899
rodwha is offline  
Old August 28, 2013, 08:20 PM   #1706
AbitNutz
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 28, 2008
Posts: 906
I'm a definite in. I want one for an ROA in stainless...no if ands or buts...you just tell me when. I'm also going to PM you.
AbitNutz is offline  
Old August 28, 2013, 08:23 PM   #1707
Onty
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 25, 2003
Posts: 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patocazador View Post
If I read the post accurately, it says that there would only be enough room for powder for a Schofield load. If 209 primers could be used, perhaps BH 209 would be a good choice over 777 since it is about 30% more powerful than BP. 777 is 15% more powerful.
Right, idea is to use smokeless powder in C&B revolvers. In our areas almost all indoor ranges prohibit use BP or its substitutes.

Thanks for idea, I changed list to include straight chamber.

Last edited by Onty; August 28, 2013 at 08:45 PM.
Onty is offline  
Old September 4, 2013, 12:03 AM   #1708
Malachi Leviticus Blue
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 13, 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 400
Saw a Ruger Old Army nipple wrench/ tool sell for $36.50 on Ebay. WoW!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ruger-Old-Ar...item43be9c4089

Almost makes me want to list some for sale to fund another ROA.

ALMOST
Malachi Leviticus Blue is offline  
Old September 4, 2013, 10:15 AM   #1709
Nelg_Kir
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 6, 2007
Posts: 18
I want one!

First, I'd like to join the club. Sorry for the bad pic, just wanted to pass muster. I have the stock cylinders plus a classic ballistix, 45 colt conversion, and a 45 acp conversion. Obviously I need the 209 cylinder! How do i participate in the purchase? Thanks!

ROA.JPG
Nelg_Kir is offline  
Old September 4, 2013, 10:37 AM   #1710
Patocazador
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 8, 2012
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,859
Real nice looking pair.
__________________
Life's short, have some fun.

Bob
Patocazador is offline  
Old September 5, 2013, 07:18 AM   #1711
karlthev
Member
 
 
Join Date: April 15, 2013
Posts: 34
Not sure if this may be appropriate here but...looking for a SS trigger for a ROA....any takers/givers/sellers?


Karl
karlthev is offline  
Old September 5, 2013, 10:35 AM   #1712
rodwha
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 28, 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,771
Ruger may be able to help you. Supposedly they still have some Old Army parts, and I know it shares many parts with the old Blackhawk.
__________________
_________________________________________________________________________________
"Were I to leave where else would I go? Your words of life and of truth You hold." - Third Day

Forget not that He left His throne to pay our price, and a hefty one it was indeed!

"I ask not the favor given to Paul," Copernicus said, "I seek not the grace bestowed upon Peter--but I beg the mercy granted to the thief on the cross!" - Alexander Smellie 1899
rodwha is offline  
Old September 5, 2013, 12:15 PM   #1713
AbitNutz
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 28, 2008
Posts: 906
There's a fair chance that Power Custom has a trigger that will work. Give them a call, they're very knowledgeable and helpful. Also, Clements may have something as well.

http://www.powercustom.com/
http://www.clementscustomguns.com/
AbitNutz is offline  
Old September 5, 2013, 06:00 PM   #1714
karlthev
Member
 
 
Join Date: April 15, 2013
Posts: 34
Thanks to both! Ruger makes referrals but, no success with them. Powercustom has the triggers which will fit the Old Army AND, Bisley hammers which will not. I got the impression that if there was sufficient demand for the hammers, they would be made as well...and other parts but, there needs to be sufficient demand. I'd sure be up for three Hammers...as well as the one trigger. Any demand for the Bisley hammers to fit the Old Army?


karl
karlthev is offline  
Old September 6, 2013, 11:58 AM   #1715
Patocazador
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 8, 2012
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,859
Altamont Classic Slim Grips

Unlike 'toolslinger', I don't have "grizzly paws" for hands. The standard ROA/Blackhawk grips are too wide at the bottom.
I ordered a set of super rosewood Classic Slim panels and they came yesterday. Not only are they gorgeous but the slimmer grips have an indentation halfway down that lets my thumb fall right into it almost like a target grip.

I couldn't be happier with them and the price was unbeatable.


EDIT: I didn't take any pics yet but the link is: http://altamontco.com/experimental/p..._blackhawk.php

By the way, I just got off the phone with them. I ordered another 2 sets - one in Super Walnut and one in Silver-Black.
__________________
Life's short, have some fun.

Bob

Last edited by Patocazador; September 6, 2013 at 12:45 PM.
Patocazador is offline  
Old September 6, 2013, 12:18 PM   #1716
rodwha
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 28, 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,771
Pics and a link! Pics and a link I say!

I, too, have smaller hands. The original grips seem slightly large, but I just work 'em anyway. Maybe smaller grip panels would be beneficial.
__________________
_________________________________________________________________________________
"Were I to leave where else would I go? Your words of life and of truth You hold." - Third Day

Forget not that He left His throne to pay our price, and a hefty one it was indeed!

"I ask not the favor given to Paul," Copernicus said, "I seek not the grace bestowed upon Peter--but I beg the mercy granted to the thief on the cross!" - Alexander Smellie 1899
rodwha is offline  
Old September 6, 2013, 05:44 PM   #1717
Patocazador
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 8, 2012
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,859
Altamont Rosewood Slim Grips

Ok, I went out at 2:00 and took these. The sun was high in the sky causing a flat reflective view. They look better in real life. Even my wife said, "Those are beautiful."



__________________
Life's short, have some fun.

Bob
Patocazador is offline  
Old September 12, 2013, 07:56 PM   #1718
Undead Zed
Member
 
 
Join Date: September 12, 2013
Posts: 2
Hi all ...

I found this thread while researching BP pistols. I found a great price on a Pieta 1858 .44 cal at Cabela's, but decided to check my local LGS to see what they could do for me.
My philosophy is that gun shops are like butchers ... you need to develop a relationship with both to get the best deals. I have a VERY good relationship with mine and it paid off in spades.
They contacted a distributor and got the info for me but lost the paper they had written it down on. I came back another time and the clerk told me she had forgotten. Not a big deal as I was in the "looking but not QUITE ready to buy yet" frame of mind.
She was taking the info down again while we were chatting and I mentioned that what I would REALLY like was an ROA but they were discontinued and the ones on Gun Broker were out of my price range.
Her eyes lit up and she walked off. When she came back she had the beauty below.
It's a 1994 model that a friend of the LGS owner brought in on consignment a year ago. (My LGS is a great little pawn shop/gun shop/archery store combo) According to the owner (and based upon my inspection) it has never been fired. It still has the original warranty card and the nipple wrench was still in the sealed envelope. They wanted $500 for it.
It's now on layaway and I should have it home payday. Someone was smiling down on me today and life is great!
Can I join the club?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg New ROA.jpg (109.5 KB, 48 views)
Undead Zed is offline  
Old September 13, 2013, 11:51 AM   #1719
Patocazador
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 8, 2012
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,859
Wow! Sure looks new.
__________________
Life's short, have some fun.

Bob
Patocazador is offline  
Old September 13, 2013, 12:50 PM   #1720
J-Bar
Member
 
 
Join Date: November 24, 2010
Location: Springfield, MO
Posts: 1,558
Undead Zed:

You did just fine, congratulations.
J-Bar is offline  
Old September 13, 2013, 03:04 PM   #1721
robhof
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 18, 2009
Location: Bowling Green Ky.
Posts: 833
robhof

That's a great price for an unfired ROA, and even better that it's stainless, as they usually run about $100 more than the blued!
robhof is offline  
Old September 13, 2013, 03:26 PM   #1722
BullRunBear
Member
 
 
Join Date: February 24, 2007
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 784
Welcome to the club and the forum! You got a good price on that ROA. I have three of them and they are all wonderfully accurate. You are gonna love it.

Jeff
__________________
"An armed society is a polite society." Robert Heinlein
BullRunBear is offline  
Old September 14, 2013, 03:40 AM   #1723
Undead Zed
Member
 
 
Join Date: September 12, 2013
Posts: 2
Thanks everyone. I've never been a patient man and wanting to shoot this gun is bringing that out to the nth degree. I already have all the ammo components and have ordered a new set of nipples from Track of the Wolf for it. Might as well have a spare set, right? I am looking at the Konversion cylinders for 45acp and 45lc for it. I will probably pick it up tomorrow or Monday. The wait is KILLING me!
Undead Zed is offline  
Old September 14, 2013, 09:56 PM   #1724
robhof
Member
 
 
Join Date: October 18, 2009
Location: Bowling Green Ky.
Posts: 833
robhof

Know how you feel, got my 1st one during the dead of winter and had to order balls til my mold came in, a long wait and finally shot it when it was 22degrees with a 10mph wind, but it was fun.
robhof is offline  
Old September 17, 2013, 04:26 PM   #1725
Head Space
Member
 
 
Join Date: September 8, 2010
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 1
Here are my two Old Army Revolvers;
One 7 1/2 and a 5 1/2. There is also a R&D Cylinder.
I would like to be a member.
I enjoy this forum!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Old Army Pics 006 Sml.jpg (184.7 KB, 52 views)
File Type: jpg Old Army Pics 003 Sml.jpg (156.2 KB, 37 views)
__________________
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
George Washington

Last edited by Head Space; September 17, 2013 at 04:55 PM. Reason: Too quick on the enter key
Head Space is offline  
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation by vB Optimise.
This site, its contents, Shooting Reviews, and its contents are Copyright (c) 2010-2013 Firearms Forum, Inc.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages.