The RUGER OLD ARMY Club - Page 20

ClemBert · December 6, 2011, 09:54 AM

ROA Club Members:

1. ClemBert 2. Eights 3. kanook 4. kwhi43@kc.rr.com 5. mykeal
6. adaptandovercome 7. 461 8. junkman_01 9. lonewolf5347 10. rcflint
11. MCgunner 12.madcratebuilder 13. AbitNutz 14. eastbank 15. robert garner
16. philuk44 17. HUnter58 18. arcticap 19. BullRunBear 20. theotherwaldo
21. SC Slowhand 22. Prairie Dawg 23. wittzo 24. Tallbald 25. Smokin_Gun
26. OB One 27. jungle 28. plumbernater 29. daveinvegas 30. JanZ
31. George Mabry 32. Benmathes 33. Loosenock 34. higene 35. Rock Island
36. Erich 37. robhof 38. J-Bar 39. Nomad, 2nd 40. TAURUSBOB
41. martindl99 42. Vermonter 43. wasatch 44. fogg64 45. BConklin
46. Howdy Doody 47. bushrod2 48. rdstrain49 49. FirinFlatTop 50. rem1858
51. straight-shooter 52. edorfox 53. KevininPa 54. Ringo1234 55. pohill
56. The Don 57. jeepcoma 58. Dave Markowitz 59. Chazz 60. andrewstorm
61. Steel Wheels 62. Legionnaire 63. NineMilePete 64. 94RUGER 65. Acorn Mush
66. R.Ganister 67. Boom-stick 68. Buddy 69. Ghost Dog 70. BML
71. Cult of 1858 72. Jaymo 73. bigbore442001 74. Engineer Bill 75. azyogi
76. Dr. Leaky 77. Clermont 78. Indy4570 79. ozarkguy

Welcome ozarkguy!

Tallbald · December 6, 2011, 10:03 AM

I love this thread. Something new to ponder, admire and drool over with each posting. I'm starting to feel piggy, having four specimens. All garden variety 7.5 inch adjustable sight models (three stainless steel, and one blue), but I just can't resist the grand fellas. Don

bax504 · December 6, 2011, 11:14 AM

And then I can try to get # 82. It's killing me to hold out posting mine two ROA's. But I have to have #82.

The Don · December 7, 2011, 12:13 AM

Wish I owned this puppy. Its a old army that has been converted to a .50 Cal.! Here is the link to the write up on it. http://www.gunblast.com/Cumpston_ClementsFugett.htm

Eights · December 7, 2011, 02:35 PM

Though it does me no good, I'm slightly irritated by the market. I bought both of mine after 2008 in the $500 range. One of them is unfired. I see prices all over the place on these, and I am cautious to buy anything that I have not seen, unless I have a good reason to trust the seller.

My first stainless ROA is a great shooter, but the seller advertised it as being in "almost new" condition. When I got the gun, I noticed some light pitting where the frame is screwed to the grip assembly. These small spots did not show up on the pictures. Upon taking the whole thing apart for a deep cleaning, I noticed abundant rust on several surfaces on the inside of the frame. I could probably sell the gun for what I paid for it, but not without disclosing the history, along with the fact that I cleaned it up good. All that said, it's kind of nice to have a gun that I don't have to worry about wear and tear from normal use. I endorse the gun as fully functional and in great condition, but it's not "almost new." To me, this means fired no more than two or three cylinders during one session, completely and deeply cleaned, and then sold without any scratches (other than tool marks) that can be seen without mild magnification. Maybe my standard is just too high.

I still "need" to find one more ROA, but it's getting harder by the month... Definitely more difficult than it was even two or three years ago. I am still hopeful there are oodles of them out there that are in fantastic condition... guns whose owners would sell them for a bargain because BP is not for them. How "irritated" can I really be? Nobody complains about a market when it's to their advantage. I'll be content, and keep on the lookout.

mykeal · December 7, 2011, 03:01 PM

Quote:

I am still hopeful there are oodles of them out there that are in fantastic condition... guns whose owners would sell them for a bargain because BP is not for them.

As Rick Harrison would say, "Ain't gonna happen!"

Eights · December 7, 2011, 03:15 PM

As Alexander Pope would say, "Hope springs eternal in the human breast..."

...and in my experience, that's what people say when it's not going to happen.

robert garner · December 11, 2011, 11:35 AM

Who has actual experience with the "Improved cylinder" not the conversion cyl but the cap and ball cylinder, is there a documented improvement in velocity and or accuracy? Is it a worthwhile investment or does the cost not reflect in the outcome?
robert

arcticap · December 11, 2011, 01:00 PM

It sounds like you're asking about the Classicballistx ROA cylinder.
I'm not sure if they're still available.
The cylinders weren't made in very large numbers or for a long enough period of time for very many evaluation reports to be posted about them.
A site search for Classicballistx may turn up more info. about them.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...light=cylinder

J-Bar · December 14, 2011, 10:15 PM

Playing with kind of a plum finish on a pair of shooters.

Thumbs up or down?

rdstrain49 · December 14, 2011, 10:31 PM

J-Bar
Not exactly my cup o tea, but I gotta say I do like them. Thumbs up

mykeal · December 14, 2011, 10:31 PM

Antiquing a Ruger? Somehow it doesn't look right to me.

junkman_01 · December 14, 2011, 10:35 PM

J-Bar,

Looks good. Nice work. They look just right to me.

andrewstorm · December 15, 2011, 09:25 AM

myke the ol army was antiqued from the beginning in the heart and mind of bill ruger,all bill set out to do is build an 1858 new army look alike that had all the improvements he could think of and still be of antique status........god bless bill ruger he made a fun gun

ClemBert · December 15, 2011, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewstorm

all bill set out to do is build an 1858 new army look alike that had all the improvements he could think of and still be of antique status

I disagree with that statement.

kBob · December 15, 2011, 11:17 AM

J-Bar,

I like them a lot. For whatever reason they make me think Whitney rather than Remington when I see them. In fact at the risk of being chased from here with pine burrs I will say that for me those are the nicest looking Rugers I have seen yet.

-kBob

Eights · December 15, 2011, 11:34 AM

Thumbs up. Being a sucker for antler/stag, those two shooters look fantastic.

junkman_01 · December 15, 2011, 11:43 AM

Mykeal,

Looks like you are all alone on this one!

mykeal · December 15, 2011, 04:41 PM

That's a good thing.

junkman_01 · December 15, 2011, 04:44 PM

No, it's not.

J-Bar · December 15, 2011, 07:05 PM

I am not offended if someone dislikes how these look. Frankly, I am surprised and gratified that there have been so many positive comments. Compared to the well composed photos of those pristine firearms that started this thread, my antiqued ones might be considered tacky. But it's so much fun to play around with them!!

Jaymo · December 15, 2011, 07:20 PM

IIRC, the ROA design was based largely on the Rodgers & Spencer.

Though I realize I'll probably be crucified for saying this, I'm not a fan of browned guns.
Not even on old flintlocks.
I prefer a highly polished and blued finish. Colt Royal Blue and the old prewar Smith & Wesson polished blue.
I also like a shiny, high polished hot black.

I don't have an opinion about your antiqued ROAs. Since I don't like brown, my opinion would be biased, anyway, and irrelevant.
They are your guns, and I say "enjoy them your way".

Plastikosmd · December 15, 2011, 08:47 PM

My 'antique'

J-Bar · December 15, 2011, 10:45 PM

Cool! I love it.

andrewstorm · December 20, 2011, 02:17 PM

Please tell us your take on the r o a and what bill ruger set out to do when he crafted the r o a ,in his own words he stated that he wanted a pistol that had all the attributes of the Remington beals /1858, his first revolver he owned as a boy,and none of the problems such as the loading lever drop upon firing,the loading lever cam weakness,spring weakness,and he made it idiot proof for liability reasons,and we all know why ruger discontinued it cause bill wasn't there to keep it in production as he said he would,cause of all the guns he produced he said "Its the one I like" If bill was alive IM sure he would mandate the continued production of the R O A......R I P BILL RUGER.....................

December 6, 2011, 11:14 AM	#478
bax504 Member Join Date: March 27, 2011 Posts: 8	Only 2 more to go!!! And then I can try to get # 82. It's killing me to hold out posting mine two ROA's. But I have to have #82.

December 7, 2011, 12:13 AM	#479
The Don Member Join Date: September 7, 2010 Location: A small Villiage of about 450 in Michigan Posts: 86	Look What I found! Wish I owned this puppy. Its a old army that has been converted to a .50 Cal.! Here is the link to the write up on it. http://www.gunblast.com/Cumpston_ClementsFugett.htm __________________ “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity” - Sigmund Freud "Experience is a brutal teacher, but you learn. My God, do you learn." — C.S. Lewis.

December 7, 2011, 02:35 PM	#480
Eights Member Join Date: August 10, 2010 Location: Some salty hollow between two mountains in the western US. Posts: 42	Though it does me no good, I'm slightly irritated by the market. I bought both of mine after 2008 in the $500 range. One of them is unfired. I see prices all over the place on these, and I am cautious to buy anything that I have not seen, unless I have a good reason to trust the seller. My first stainless ROA is a great shooter, but the seller advertised it as being in "almost new" condition. When I got the gun, I noticed some light pitting where the frame is screwed to the grip assembly. These small spots did not show up on the pictures. Upon taking the whole thing apart for a deep cleaning, I noticed abundant rust on several surfaces on the inside of the frame. I could probably sell the gun for what I paid for it, but not without disclosing the history, along with the fact that I cleaned it up good. All that said, it's kind of nice to have a gun that I don't have to worry about wear and tear from normal use. I endorse the gun as fully functional and in great condition, but it's not "almost new." To me, this means fired no more than two or three cylinders during one session, completely and deeply cleaned, and then sold without any scratches (other than tool marks) that can be seen without mild magnification. Maybe my standard is just too high. I still "need" to find one more ROA, but it's getting harder by the month... Definitely more difficult than it was even two or three years ago. I am still hopeful there are oodles of them out there that are in fantastic condition... guns whose owners would sell them for a bargain because BP is not for them. How "irritated" can I really be? Nobody complains about a market when it's to their advantage. I'll be content, and keep on the lookout. __________________ "Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it." Capt. Woodrow Call, Texas Ranger

December 7, 2011, 03:15 PM	#482
Eights Member Join Date: August 10, 2010 Location: Some salty hollow between two mountains in the western US. Posts: 42	As Alexander Pope would say, "Hope springs eternal in the human breast..." ...and in my experience, that's what people say when it's not going to happen. __________________ "Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it." Capt. Woodrow Call, Texas Ranger

December 11, 2011, 11:35 AM	#483
robert garner Member Join Date: February 9, 2004 Location: columbus georgia Posts: 634	Who has actual experience with the "Improved cylinder" not the conversion cyl but the cap and ball cylinder, is there a documented improvement in velocity and or accuracy? Is it a worthwhile investment or does the cost not reflect in the outcome? robert __________________ 3% "be like the viper,son;keep your mouth shut till the strike is begun"

December 6, 2011, 09:54 AM	#476
ClemBert Member Join Date: April 12, 2009 Location: Orlando Posts: 1,104	ROA Club Members: 1. ClemBert 2. Eights 3. kanook 4. kwhi43@kc.rr.com 5. mykeal 6. adaptandovercome 7. 461 8. junkman_01 9. lonewolf5347 10. rcflint 11. MCgunner 12.madcratebuilder 13. AbitNutz 14. eastbank 15. robert garner 16. philuk44 17. HUnter58 18. arcticap 19. BullRunBear 20. theotherwaldo 21. SC Slowhand 22. Prairie Dawg 23. wittzo 24. Tallbald 25. Smokin_Gun 26. OB One 27. jungle 28. plumbernater 29. daveinvegas 30. JanZ 31. George Mabry 32. Benmathes 33. Loosenock 34. higene 35. Rock Island 36. Erich 37. robhof 38. J-Bar 39. Nomad, 2nd 40. TAURUSBOB 41. martindl99 42. Vermonter 43. wasatch 44. fogg64 45. BConklin 46. Howdy Doody 47. bushrod2 48. rdstrain49 49. FirinFlatTop 50. rem1858 51. straight-shooter 52. edorfox 53. KevininPa 54. Ringo1234 55. pohill 56. The Don 57. jeepcoma 58. Dave Markowitz 59. Chazz 60. andrewstorm 61. Steel Wheels 62. Legionnaire 63. NineMilePete 64. 94RUGER 65. Acorn Mush 66. R.Ganister 67. Boom-stick 68. Buddy 69. Ghost Dog 70. BML 71. Cult of 1858 72. Jaymo 73. bigbore442001 74. Engineer Bill 75. azyogi 76. Dr. Leaky 77. Clermont 78. Indy4570 79. ozarkguy Welcome ozarkguy!

December 6, 2011, 10:03 AM	#477
Tallbald Member Join Date: January 29, 2009 Location: Southern KY Posts: 249	I love this thread. Something new to ponder, admire and drool over with each posting. I'm starting to feel piggy, having four specimens. All garden variety 7.5 inch adjustable sight models (three stainless steel, and one blue), but I just can't resist the grand fellas. Don

December 11, 2011, 01:00 PM	#484
arcticap Member Join Date: March 20, 2005 Location: Central Connecticut Posts: 6,176	It sounds like you're asking about the Classicballistx ROA cylinder. I'm not sure if they're still available. The cylinders weren't made in very large numbers or for a long enough period of time for very many evaluation reports to be posted about them. A site search for Classicballistx may turn up more info. about them. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...light=cylinder

December 14, 2011, 10:31 PM	#486
rdstrain49 Member Join Date: December 3, 2010 Location: South Dakota / Black Hills Posts: 266	J-Bar Not exactly my cup o tea, but I gotta say I do like them. Thumbs up __________________ "Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." —Norman Schwartzkopf

December 14, 2011, 10:31 PM	#487
mykeal Member Join Date: September 9, 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,896	Antiquing a Ruger? Somehow it doesn't look right to me.

December 14, 2011, 10:35 PM	#488
junkman_01 member Join Date: August 7, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,728	J-Bar, Looks good. Nice work. They look just right to me.

December 15, 2011, 09:25 AM	#489
andrewstorm member Join Date: October 5, 2009 Location: land of the free,because of the brave Posts: 634	antiqued ruger myke the ol army was antiqued from the beginning in the heart and mind of bill ruger,all bill set out to do is build an 1858 new army look alike that had all the improvements he could think of and still be of antique status........god bless bill ruger he made a fun gun

December 15, 2011, 11:17 AM	#491
kBob Member Join Date: June 11, 2006 Location: North Central Florida Posts: 1,731	J-Bar, I like them a lot. For whatever reason they make me think Whitney rather than Remington when I see them. In fact at the risk of being chased from here with pine burrs I will say that for me those are the nicest looking Rugers I have seen yet. -kBob

December 15, 2011, 11:34 AM	#492
Eights Member Join Date: August 10, 2010 Location: Some salty hollow between two mountains in the western US. Posts: 42	Thumbs up. Being a sucker for antler/stag, those two shooters look fantastic. __________________ "Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it." Capt. Woodrow Call, Texas Ranger

December 15, 2011, 11:43 AM	#493
junkman_01 member Join Date: August 7, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,728	Mykeal, Looks like you are all alone on this one!

December 15, 2011, 04:41 PM	#494
mykeal Member Join Date: September 9, 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,896	That's a good thing.

December 15, 2011, 04:44 PM	#495
junkman_01 member Join Date: August 7, 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 1,728	No, it's not.

December 15, 2011, 07:05 PM	#496
J-Bar Member Join Date: November 24, 2010 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 957	I am not offended if someone dislikes how these look. Frankly, I am surprised and gratified that there have been so many positive comments. Compared to the well composed photos of those pristine firearms that started this thread, my antiqued ones might be considered tacky. But it's so much fun to play around with them!!

December 15, 2011, 07:20 PM	#497
Jaymo Member Join Date: August 21, 2010 Posts: 2,511	IIRC, the ROA design was based largely on the Rodgers & Spencer. Though I realize I'll probably be crucified for saying this, I'm not a fan of browned guns. Not even on old flintlocks. I prefer a highly polished and blued finish. Colt Royal Blue and the old prewar Smith & Wesson polished blue. I also like a shiny, high polished hot black. I don't have an opinion about your antiqued ROAs. Since I don't like brown, my opinion would be biased, anyway, and irrelevant. They are your guns, and I say "enjoy them your way". __________________ Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

December 15, 2011, 08:47 PM	#498
Plastikosmd Member Join Date: October 16, 2011 Posts: 136	My 'antique'

December 15, 2011, 10:45 PM	#499
J-Bar Member Join Date: November 24, 2010 Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 957	Cool! I love it.

December 20, 2011, 02:17 PM	#500
andrewstorm member Join Date: October 5, 2009 Location: land of the free,because of the brave Posts: 634	clem disagrees? Please tell us your take on the r o a and what bill ruger set out to do when he crafted the r o a ,in his own words he stated that he wanted a pistol that had all the attributes of the Remington beals /1858, his first revolver he owned as a boy,and none of the problems such as the loading lever drop upon firing,the loading lever cam weakness,spring weakness,and he made it idiot proof for liability reasons,and we all know why ruger discontinued it cause bill wasn't there to keep it in production as he said he would,cause of all the guns he produced he said "Its the one I like" If bill was alive IM sure he would mandate the continued production of the R O A......R I P BILL RUGER.....................