Quantcast
The RUGER OLD ARMY Club - Page 41 - THR
THR  

Go Back   THR > Tools and Technologies > Blackpowder Shooting

Welcome to THR
You are currently viewing our site as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions, articles and access our other FREE features. By joining our free community you will have, access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!


If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please visit the help section.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old September 1, 2012, 10:07 PM   #1001
Jaymo
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 21, 2010
Posts: 3,290
Jim, mine's stainless. I'm not complaining about the price. My wife did enough of that for both of us.
I don't have any pics of it with the new grips, yet. I need to take and post some.
I highly recommend CLC Custom Grips AND Private's Custom Grips. I have Private's American Holly grips on my new Ruger Flattop Blackhawk .44 Special. (I'm a longtime fan of that round)
BTW, nice ROA.

Doak, what about aluminum bronze or beryllium copper? Charter made (still does?) their firing pins from beryllium copper and they were unbreakable in use.
__________________
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
Jaymo is offline  
Old September 1, 2012, 10:18 PM   #1002
Doak
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 24, 2012
Location: Northern California
Posts: 249
I'll look into that Jaymo. Thanks for the tip. Both of those are a bit tricky to machine. Don't have any experience w/'em. And I gotta get sumpin' up 'n' running soon. It's gonna be 416, 4140, O1, something of that nature...all those are hardenable and tough.

I'm open to suggestions, too! Thanks!
Doak is offline  
Old September 1, 2012, 11:23 PM   #1003
Jim, West PA
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 24, 2009
Location: Neshannock, Pa.
Posts: 1,875
Quote:
Jim, mine's stainless. I'm not complaining about the price. My wife did enough of that for both of us.
I don't have any pics of it with the new grips, yet. I need to take and post some.
I highly recommend CLC Custom Grips AND Private's Custom Grips. I have Private's American Holly grips on my new Ruger Flattop Blackhawk .44 Special. (I'm a longtime fan of that round)
BTW, nice ROA.
Mmmm...so ya went and bot it. Gooood stuff
She'll git over the sticker shock 'fore she's knows it. It's lookin like any ROA purchase these days is an investment.
I 'preciate the info on CLC but after bein a custom gun builder, stock maker and all that. It'd be a mighty hard pill fer me to swaller to go and buy someone elses srock/s workins.
I know wat ya mean 'bout the .44 special. But i allways loved it's 'big brother'.
I miss my Redhawk cry.gif

Thanx for the compliment on my rescue

Now git them pics up !!
__________________
At birth, God bestowed upon each of us the greatest responsibility there is...FREE WILL.

Am i proud to be an American ?...you bet i am.Tho, as of late, embarrassed at what Her people have become.
Jim, West PA is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 11:43 AM   #1004
kBob
Member
 
 
Join Date: June 11, 2006
Location: North Central Florida
Posts: 2,408
Yard Dog,

read up stream about Doak's conversion to use small pistol primers on his ROA.

Everyone else,

Does the ROA use the same back strap et al as the Blackhawk guns? Can the Bisley conversion from Brownells by strapped on a ROA? Can the kit hammer be modified to work on the ROA? Tried to search and all six hits just took me to the begining of the club.

-kBob
kBob is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 11:49 AM   #1005
Indian Outlaw
Member
 
 
Join Date: November 20, 2009
Location: The Reservation
Posts: 102
Quote:
Does the ROA use the same back strap et al as the Blackhawk guns?
Both XR3-RED gripframes, I believe, excluding the early brass ROA gripframe, which was longer.
Indian Outlaw is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 11:51 AM   #1006
Jaymo
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 21, 2010
Posts: 3,290
The ROA used the same grips as the Blackhawk and original Vaquero.
That said, the New Model Blackhawk and Vaquero (since 2005 or 6, IIRC) use a different grip frame and grip.
You should be able to install the Bisley grip frame and maybe even trigger.
I don't think the hammer would work. You may be able to have the ROA hammer spur heated/forged lower and to a Bisley shape, though I'm not sure it would accomplish anything. The ROA isn't uncomfortable or hard-kicking.

Doak, 4140 should work well. I don't remember which alloy you used. Something with a lower carbon content than 1085 should hold up and resist cracking.
How about S7? It's a shock resistant steel.

I forget which alloy punches and cold chisels are made of, but they're very shock resistant, when properly heat treated.

You may need to go with a low-to-medium carbon steel and case harden/superquench it. IIRC, you can get about 45 Rockwell from 1020 if you superquench it. I have an article about it in a HSM or MW magazine, somewhere.
You could case harden it with Kasenit, to get a very hard surface, while retaining the core toughness.
Then again, 45 may be plenty hard for what you need. And it should retain the toughness you need.
It could be worth a try.

But I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know.

I'm a fan of your primer capsule work. I may have to dig out the lathe and make some.

I have a golf cart axle (medium carbon steel) in my shop that I could use to make some. Sure would have to hog off a bunch of the OD, though.
Maybe I should make some from an old pin punch. I have some I bought at Northern Tool (Asian made) that are too soft for punch use.
I could use them, and then case harden them.
__________________
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?

Last edited by Jaymo; September 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM.
Jaymo is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 12:16 PM   #1007
Patocazador
Member
 
 
Join Date: July 8, 2012
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,824
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doak View Post
Today, while cleaning my stainless ROA, took all the primer capsules out to do routine maintenance on 'em and found that 2 of them are cracked. They're cracked on the tip area deepest in the cylinder.

I'm gonna change the steel they're made of and will try several different materials. It'll be harder on the cutting tools, and prolly won't come out quite so purty. New material will be hardenable so won't have to mess around w/case hardening.

Will keep y'all posted as I go along.
All that work and now they're cracked ... BUMMER!
I don't have the tooling (or the experience) necessary to even think about that project. But would be all over it if I did. My gunsmith neighbor had a complete machine shop and could have done the project for me but his love of motorcycles and partying got him killed. He was very talented ... what a waste.
__________________
Life's short, have some fun.

Bob
Patocazador is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 12:22 PM   #1008
Jaymo
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 21, 2010
Posts: 3,290
Jim, I understand your love of .44 Mag. I have 2 .44 mag revolvers (Redhawk, and Taurus M44) and a Marlin 1894P.
Bill Ruger was fond of it as a hunting round, as well.
I like most all .44 and .45 caliber pistols and rifles.
Hence, my love of the ROA. It's a big, beefy, tough .45 BP revolver.

I'd like to own about 20 ROAs. That way, I could customize several with different barrel lengths, grip styles, sights, etc, and still have a bunch of stock ones in different configurations.

I feel that the ROA was the zenith, the apex of C&B revolver development and design.
I think I need to get a spare C&B cyl for mine, so I can load them on the press, and be able to swap them out.
Or, just to have one of the aftermarket ones that holds more power, err, powder.

I had several friends killed riding 2-wheel deathtraps in the early 90s. All within a year of each other. All through no fault of their own.
I haven't been on one since then.
__________________
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
Jaymo is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 12:25 PM   #1009
Jaymo
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 21, 2010
Posts: 3,290
Doak, which alloy are your original primer capsules?
__________________
Who do you trust when everyone's a crook?
Jaymo is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 01:40 PM   #1010
Jim, West PA
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 24, 2009
Location: Neshannock, Pa.
Posts: 1,875
Quote:
Jim, I understand your love of .44 Mag. I have 2 .44 mag revolvers (Redhawk, and Taurus M44) and a Marlin 1894P.
Bill Ruger was fond of it as a hunting round, as well.
I like most all .44 and .45 caliber pistols and rifles.
Hence, my love of the ROA. It's a big, beefy, tough .45 BP revolver.

I'd like to own about 20 ROAs. That way, I could customize several with different barrel lengths, grip styles, sights, etc, and still have a bunch of stock ones in different configurations.

I feel that the ROA was the zenith, the apex of C&B revolver development and design.
I think I need to get a spare C&B cyl for mine, so I can load them on the press, and be able to swap them out.
Or, just to have one of the aftermarket ones that holds more power, err, powder.

I had several friends killed riding 2-wheel deathtraps in the early 90s. All within a year of each other. All through no fault of their own.
I haven't been on one since then.
Absolutely on the same page Jaymo happy-thumbs-up-050.gif
Well, 'cept for one thing.
I aint in no hurry to git off my scoot.

When i got my first ROA the very first thing i did was call Ruger to buy an xtra cylinder and they told me in no uncertain terms..."NO" !!!
They said "we have 'em but you can't buy 'em ".
They told me that the only way to git one was "IF" i bot an ROA minus the cylinder then they would sell one but i had to send them the gun and they would 'fit' it.
Is there an aftermarket cylinder that i'm not aware of ?
__________________
At birth, God bestowed upon each of us the greatest responsibility there is...FREE WILL.

Am i proud to be an American ?...you bet i am.Tho, as of late, embarrassed at what Her people have become.
Jim, West PA is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 01:49 PM   #1011
Malachi Leviticus Blue
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 13, 2012
Location: Michigan
Posts: 398
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim, West PA View Post
Is there an aftermarket cylinder that i'm not aware of ?
yes

http://www.classicballistx.com
Malachi Leviticus Blue is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 01:52 PM   #1012
Doak
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 24, 2012
Location: Northern California
Posts: 249
Jaymo

What I've made them all out of so far is 12L14. It's free machining and low carbon. The L stands for lead. It's also know as LedLoy. Can't quench to harden it, carbon's too low. Hence the necessity to case it. It's appeal is how easily it machines. Easy on the cutters. Nice finish.

My case process is agressive and I suspect I'm leaving the parts in the pack too long and carburizing allaway thru. The end result is brittleness, even after tempering at 500'F. Plus, the 12L14 may not be up to the task over the long haul. Havn't had the problem in the blued ROA's. Stainless is a bit more elastic than regular steel. That, plus the deepest threads in several holes in my stainless cylinder are intermittent or missing from the factory. That doesn't support the male threads. Even so, the proper material would handle that.

I'd just as soon eliminate case hardening. It's allota extra work. Using a martensitic (hardenable) steel is simpler, just not as nice a finish, and more cutter maintenance.

Appreciate your input Jaymo. I've got O1 drill rod in a usable diameter rite now, so am horsing around w/that 'til Monday, when I can get to All Metals in Oroville. 4140 is a stock material there, maybe they have it in 5/16ths.

By superquenching I'm guessing ya mean quenching in a -100'F dry-ice alcohol bath after the initial oil quench?

Will keep my progress posted.

Last edited by Doak; September 2, 2012 at 02:10 PM. Reason: addition
Doak is offline  
Old September 2, 2012, 02:00 PM   #1013
Jim, West PA
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 24, 2009
Location: Neshannock, Pa.
Posts: 1,875
Thanx Malachi
__________________
At birth, God bestowed upon each of us the greatest responsibility there is...FREE WILL.

Am i proud to be an American ?...you bet i am.Tho, as of late, embarrassed at what Her people have become.
Jim, West PA is offline  
Old September 4, 2012, 09:32 PM   #1014
Doak
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 24, 2012
Location: Northern California
Posts: 249
Action Job: Started New Thread: Gunsmithing

For anyone who might be interested, I started a new thread in Gunsmithing. It's titled "Ruger Old Army .45 Action Job".
Doak is offline  
Old September 4, 2012, 11:42 PM   #1015
Jim, West PA
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 24, 2009
Location: Neshannock, Pa.
Posts: 1,875
I'm on my way.
Thanx Doak.
__________________
At birth, God bestowed upon each of us the greatest responsibility there is...FREE WILL.

Am i proud to be an American ?...you bet i am.Tho, as of late, embarrassed at what Her people have become.
Jim, West PA is offline  
Old September 16, 2012, 08:04 PM   #1016
BubbaGoose
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 20, 2008
Posts: 2
Thanks to one and all on this thread for the info and inspiration. I just picked this up this past week. I like it so much I think it needs a twin.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Ruger Old Army.jpg (32.7 KB, 31 views)
BubbaGoose is offline  
Old September 16, 2012, 08:34 PM   #1017
Doak
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 24, 2012
Location: Northern California
Posts: 249
How 'bout triplets?
Doak is offline  
Old September 16, 2012, 10:15 PM   #1018
BubbaGoose
Member
 
 
Join Date: January 20, 2008
Posts: 2
one step at a time.
BubbaGoose is offline  
Old September 17, 2012, 09:24 AM   #1019
FreddyKruger
Member
 
 
Join Date: June 28, 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 205
add me to the list! Picked up the Ruger on Friday.



is there still somewhere to get the larger grips that extend about another 3/8" below the frame?
__________________
THR Walker Club - #141
THR Remington 1858 Club - #154
THE Ruger Old Army Club - #118
FreddyKruger is online now  
Old September 17, 2012, 12:33 PM   #1020
Jim, West PA
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 24, 2009
Location: Neshannock, Pa.
Posts: 1,875
Was blessed with my grail yesterday.

Janet and I was torn twixt settin up at a small gun show yesterday and our commitments to our worship team at church.
Well, we were blessed with bein able to do both.
As some of ya know, i've had my heart set on a pretty unreachable six shooter.
Unreachable because of the way GB has been drivin prices unreasonably high.

About an hour into the show i was walkin t'wards the door when i see this fella holdin a grey plastic box under his arm.
Me.." for sale?"
"yep"
He opens the box and immediately i start to think.."way too much" .
" I want one so bad, this is cruel,walk away Jim ".
Well...." can i see it?"
He hands er off to me and she immediately felt ..'at home' in my hand.
I check it over, admire, drool, curb my enthusiasm.
Notice she's sportin an R&D.
Trigger is beautiful.A wee bit light.....mmm...'worked'.
OK, time for dissapointment and to say goodby to my 'grail'.
I take a deep breath and half heartedly let those fatefull words kind o' jist fall out.
"What ya askin for it?"
"$400.00"
Without even aware of the moment and what i just heard i instinctively retort...
"take $350.00?"
"ok"

I couldn't pull the cash fast enough.
IMGP1699.JPG
IMGP1700.JPG



I sat back down at my table and found myself in a bit of a state of euphoria for a while.
Turns out tho that there is no factory cylinder with 'er.
I'm gonna call Ruger today but i'm sure that all i'll git is laughed at.
Tho they did tell me a couple o' months ago that "yes, we do have ROA cylinders. But, we will only sell them to folks that have ROA's with no cylinders".
We'll see.But i doubt it'll happen.
I sure hope i didn't buy a big ole
None-the-least.All "economicals" aside.
I absolutely love it!!!
__________________
At birth, God bestowed upon each of us the greatest responsibility there is...FREE WILL.

Am i proud to be an American ?...you bet i am.Tho, as of late, embarrassed at what Her people have become.
Jim, West PA is offline  
Old September 17, 2012, 01:35 PM   #1021
Doak
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 24, 2012
Location: Northern California
Posts: 249
Jim, West PA

'done good Pilgrim...
Attached Images
File Type: gif thumbup-two.gif (1.1 KB, 192 views)
Doak is offline  
Old September 17, 2012, 01:43 PM   #1022
Jim, West PA
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 24, 2009
Location: Neshannock, Pa.
Posts: 1,875
Thanx Doak. But now i feel like i'm on a hunt for the 8th wonder of the world with tryin to git a factory cylinder for it.
__________________
At birth, God bestowed upon each of us the greatest responsibility there is...FREE WILL.

Am i proud to be an American ?...you bet i am.Tho, as of late, embarrassed at what Her people have become.
Jim, West PA is offline  
Old September 17, 2012, 04:43 PM   #1023
Doak
Member
 
 
Join Date: August 24, 2012
Location: Northern California
Posts: 249
Might have some luck if ya show up at the factory, w/the revolver, and explain your dilemma.
Doak is offline  
Old September 17, 2012, 04:49 PM   #1024
Jim, West PA
Member
 
 
Join Date: March 24, 2009
Location: Neshannock, Pa.
Posts: 1,875
Mmmm......that would easily fit in my saddle bag.
ROAD TRIP !!!! LOL


I actualy just returned from the post office.
I shipped it to Ruger and they are gonna hook me up
The price is great also.
The gal on the phone didn't batt an eye and said..."sure we got 'em in stock but you gotta send us the gun".
Gave me an RMA# and off to the PO i went.
The trigger was definately not factory specs so i jist hope they don't think they gotta change out the trigger/hammer and charge me for it.
__________________
At birth, God bestowed upon each of us the greatest responsibility there is...FREE WILL.

Am i proud to be an American ?...you bet i am.Tho, as of late, embarrassed at what Her people have become.
Jim, West PA is offline  
Old September 17, 2012, 04:49 PM   #1025
AbitNutz
Member
 
 
Join Date: December 28, 2008
Posts: 904
i'm looking at one of the latest run of classicbalistx cylinders....looks and measures out quite good. I think I'm going to be happy with it. 416 polished stainless, deepened cylinders, drops right in....and no goofy "Black powder only" scrolled into it.
AbitNutz is offline  
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
vBulletin Optimisation by vB Optimise.
This site, its contents, Shooting Reviews, and its contents are Copyright (c) 2010-2013 Firearms Forum, Inc.
IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER
Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages.