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Old May 5, 2013, 01:10 AM   #1501
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Seems as though all I have so far is questions...maybe I'm learning though and will have answers in the future. I ordered two pins from Belt Mt about 2 weeks ago and haven't heard from them. I see that my check wasn't cashed so I'm at a loss as to what may have happened...lost mail? Belt Mt doesn't take phone orders nor even answer their phone. Are they still in business?


Karl
they seem to still be in bidnezzzz. took forever for mine to show up a couple of months ago. it almost seems like the shop is run by cross country truckers, and they answer emails and send out parts when they get back home. don't know if that's the case, but it seems that way....
short reply....hang in there, you'll get it. and you WILL like what you get.
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Old May 6, 2013, 11:09 PM   #1502
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Old May 7, 2013, 01:30 AM   #1503
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I have some loads for my .44 mag that clear out the gangster wannabes at the range.
27.5 grains VV N110, 180 grain Hornady XTP. Over 1850 FPS. Sounds like a .444 Marlin.
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Old May 7, 2013, 10:25 AM   #1504
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Old May 7, 2013, 10:32 AM   #1505
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ROA problem...
I just bought a Ruger Old Army...unturned, LNIB, never fired, still in the original orange and black cardboard box....for $500.00.Now, the problem....shoot it or don't?
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Old May 7, 2013, 09:25 PM   #1506
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I noticed the Belt Mountain quick change

Reloading cap and ball cylinders when removed sounds good.


Anybody who bought one these can you fill me/us ? in.

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Old May 7, 2013, 10:35 PM   #1507
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Looks like I'll be #155, thanks for the assist, Clembert!
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Old May 7, 2013, 11:01 PM   #1508
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Birds are meant to fly not sit in cages.

Your gun is made for shootin not sittin in a safe. Safe queenin is blasphemy it is calling out for you to shoot it.

Without a doubt shoot it and shoot it often.
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Old May 7, 2013, 11:20 PM   #1509
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Some of pictures of this great cap and ball revolver in unloaded condition. I am number 156
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Old May 8, 2013, 11:50 AM   #1510
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Some of pictures of this great cap and ball revolver in unloaded condition (no ammo, powder, or caps allowed in my area anyway, unless you happen to be wealthy and/or of priviliged class) Not quite sure what number I am. 156 ?
Where are you located where it is that restricted?
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Old May 8, 2013, 12:19 PM   #1511
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thanks for the welcome clembert
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Old May 8, 2013, 12:25 PM   #1512
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Old May 8, 2013, 07:31 PM   #1513
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clembert...do you sell those base bin retaining pins
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Old May 8, 2013, 07:35 PM   #1514
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clembert...do you sell those base bin retaining pins
Nope.
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Old May 8, 2013, 08:47 PM   #1515
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Old May 8, 2013, 09:05 PM   #1516
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155! I love it, I turn 55 in a couple months!
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Old May 8, 2013, 10:55 PM   #1517
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I noticed the Belt Mountain quick change conversion.

It looks like a great product but what is not clear to me is what is included in the package.

Is this a full kit with the cylinder pin and that rotating knurled knob that is installed where the rammer normally goes or is the purchase of a separate cylinder pin required.

The website does not specifically address this.

I would also like to see installation instructions and a parts inventory posted somewhere ????

I would prefere to reload cap and ball cylinders outside of revolvers when practicing within the borders of free states and/or santuary of protected shooting ranges.


Anybody who bought one these can you fill me/us ? in.
easy peasy. pull your old base pin, lever, and pluger off, and remove cylinder.
the knurled knob part is two pieces. put knurled knob in plunger hole from the outside, and thread the spring and cap screw in from the cylinder side. the cap screw is an allen head, and they send the correct wrench with the kit. rotate the knurled knob so the pin is out of the way, and install the belt mt. base pin. this only works if the base pin is milled to accept the knob pin. pull out on the knob, rotate until the pin engages the base pin, cock, fire. two cautions: 1 the cap screw backs out and will eventually stop you from being able to rotate the cylinder. pull the base pin out, drop the cylinder, and tighten. reassemble, shoot... 2 the retaining pin installed in the knurled knob fell out of mine. I don't know if that is a design feature or not, but I've taken a small cold chisel and dinged the retaining pin a few times to "stake" it. then I drove it back in the knob hole. seems to be staying in for now. i've only fired about 360 rounds using the assembly, with the last 90 after "fixing" the retaining pin. works so far.

Regarding ROA base pins... I trashed mine, and before I got the Belt Mt. setup, I found Jack First Gunshop on the web. You have to call, but they've had someone make real deal, original style base pins for the ROA in both blue and stainless. they are NOT cheap, but they exist. I know, because I bought one
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Old May 8, 2013, 11:03 PM   #1518
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age, and passing on the legacy

you know, I've been kind of figuring out based on posts that the vast majority of us here are a bit long of tooth
How many of us have a youngster or two under tow when we go shooting to pass on the love of black smoke? and how many of us have cultivated that love of shooting in someone that will eventually get our guns after we move on to another plane? I've been working on a couple of youngsters, trying to get them involved in black powder as an extension of what they are already doing with that other stuff. So far, 3 of them have gone out an obtained a muzzleloader. Corrupted by an old timer! My son, and my itty bitty grandsons will eventually end up with my collection, and I've been working like hell to make sure they know what I have, how to shoot them, and how to care for them. Most of my BP guns have come from sales by families of shooters that have passed on, with nobody in the family interested in keeping the guns. seems kind of sad to me. but on the other hand, I've gotten GREAT deals!
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Old May 8, 2013, 11:22 PM   #1519
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Rather than modify my Lee 255 gr. swc mold, I put the cast bullets in a vice and compress them slightly. This causes them to shorten and give a larger diameter in the process. It seems to work well and does shave some lead when seated.
Someone on this forum said they gave their bullets a rap with a mallet to achieve the same result. I was worried about the grinding of the mold causing irregularities that would allow lead to adhere to the mold and not allow the bullets to separate easily.
Did not see your post before.

The easiest method is to make a bushing with desired ID, and make it shorter than bullet, I would start with .030. Going this way, all your bullets, when squeezed in vice, will have very uniform dia. And length, of course. The only problem is you will have to have some sort of press to drive bullet out from bushing. One of smaller presses should work: http://kbctools.com/usa/Navigation/N...fm?PDFPage=954 . Drill press with appropriate punch should also work. The only other thing you will have to have is some sort of stand, small block high enough and with hole tad larger than .750 dia, where you will place bushing while driving bullet out.

Also, instead of making bushing, you can order it from here http://www.carrlane.com/catalog/inde...2D252A5E4B5D57 . I suggest so called HEAD BUSHINGS listed here. These bushings are accurate and very hard, they will last hundreds of thousands bullets.

When ordering bushing, make sure it has right length. Once you have it, local machine shop could grind it down to get desired length.

To order it (if you want, for example, .453” dia, 5/8” long), ask for H-48-10-.4531, cost is at Carr-Lane $9.78, dirt cheap. BTW, .4531 (29/64”) is a standard size, they should have it on stock. If you want another size, like .455”, ask for H-48-10-.4550. It will cost you bit more, but still way cheaper than asking somebody to make one.

No, I did not try this method, but I know the fellow who did. Works like a charm!
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Old May 9, 2013, 02:11 PM   #1520
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Onty,
I don't really care if the bullet is full length, it is the diameter that I want to increase. It throws .452 diameter bullets. I want something on the order of .456 so I get a tight fit for compression.
I may have misunderstood your explanation but the bushing would just give a smaller chamber, Right? I need a larger chamber.
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Old May 9, 2013, 06:59 PM   #1521
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Here's my submission to join the club
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It just returned from the factory for some repair. It was an abused, neglected, unloved revolver that needed a new home, and I'm happy to give it one. Thanks for creating this club, ClemBert, I've enjoyed reading the many posts while I was awaiting the return of my first Old Army.
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Old May 9, 2013, 09:22 PM   #1522
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Onty,
I don't really care if the bullet is full length, it is the diameter that I want to increase. It throws .452 diameter bullets. I want something on the order of .456 so I get a tight fit for compression.
I may have misunderstood your explanation but the bushing would just give a smaller chamber, Right? I need a larger chamber.
No problem, just ask for H-48-10-.4560. The advantage of this method is extremely uniform dia. FYI, this bushing is 5/8" long. If the bullet is longer than .030", I would go for next size, H-48-12-.4560, this one is 3/4" long.
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Old May 10, 2013, 08:38 PM   #1523
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bothenook...I'm 26 my teeth are still short
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Old May 10, 2013, 09:09 PM   #1524
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I'm just a brief custodian of my collections. I just hope the next owner will appreciate them as much as I have.
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Old May 10, 2013, 09:44 PM   #1525
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Snakeman, you have me by 10 years. I'm 36.
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