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Old September 3, 2010, 12:44 PM   #1
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Remington 1911 Observations

A friend brought Remington's entry into the 1911 market by here so I could get the inside story.

The pistol is equipped with the Colt Series 80 fire control system.

The MIM parts are as follows:

Slide stop. Mainspring Housing. Sear. Plunger tube likely but unproven because I didn't remove it to look for the sprue marks.

Cast parts:

Grip safety. Hammer. Disconnect. Thumb safety. Firing pin stop.

Also observed was a Springfield one-piece stainless steel barrel, a Colt hammer strut, and a Colt sear spring.

The thumb safety is the old, USGI type with small thumb pad, which I like very much.

Grip safety is the standard spur type, which I also like.

Slide and frame are machined barstock, and nicely done. Light machining marks were visible, but no roughness in the marks was noted. The ejection port was lowered and had a nice rollout notch.

The sights were large, blocky 3-dot style, and were highly visible. Oddly enough, the gun was equipped with a short, serrated
aluminum trigger and a flat mainspring housing...which I like, even with my large hands.

Fit and finish was very good, and all small parts appeared to be of good quality. Slide to frame fit was very good ordnance spec with minimal play. Barrel fit was very good, with zero movement when pressed.

Barrel to bushing fit was fairly tight. With the gun in battery, it was necessary to back up on the slide to turn the bushing by hand.

Bushing to slide fit was also very good with no gap at the slide and no "rocking" when tested.

My suspicion...and this is no more than that...is that the slide and frame came from Colt, along with a few other parts.

The Springfield barrel is unmistakeable, as is the Colt sear spring and hammer strut design.

Overall, a pretty good-lookin' pistol that seems to be aimed at competing with Springfield's standard Mil-Spec. The only drawback for me is that it comes with the Colt design Series 80 system. Not a deal-breaker if I was
in the market for a new low-frills 1911, but I prefer that it didn't have that particular feature.

That's about it. Ted said that he's going to shoot it today and give me the report.

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Old September 3, 2010, 01:00 PM   #2
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Glad to hear that the frame is machined barstock. I had read it was cast.
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Old September 3, 2010, 04:18 PM   #3
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Well...A cast frame is really neither here nor there. Remington doesn't rate the gun okay for P+, which raised some concerns as to whether the slide was cast.

Not a bad pistole' for the money. I guess more reports will come in as more of'em are sold.
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Old September 3, 2010, 06:41 PM   #4
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Interesting, thanks for the info. It worried me when the Remington reps at SHOT wouldn't say where the parts came from...my first thought was the South Pacific
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Old September 3, 2010, 08:32 PM   #5
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Some pictures I've seen showed some pretty rough work, and these were gun rag photos. The proof, of course, will be in the actual shooting.
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Old September 3, 2010, 08:32 PM   #6
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Brief Test Report on the Remington

Put 60 rounds of reloads thru it this PM with no malfunctions at all. After getting it zeroed in...moving rear sight a bit and filing down front...I got a one inch group of 5 shots in one target, and on a couple targets about 2 inch groups. For these 76 YO eyes thats pretty good, better than I do with my Colt 1991a1. I'm real pleased with it and the only downside is they didn't include a tiny allen wrench to adjust the sights with. I have small ones that came with other sights but none were small enough. Am going to contact Remington to see what they say.
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Old September 3, 2010, 09:19 PM   #7
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Some pictures I've seen showed some pretty rough work, and these were gun rag photos.
No doubt that there will be some variation, especially in the ealiest examples...but the one I looked at today was nicely done inside and out.

Ted...You'll have to let me give it a try as soon as the weather cools off enough for me to want to go to the range. I'd like to see how it fares with my old reliable/go-to range load. I've also got a few hundred 200 grainers loaded up with 4 grains of Bullseye that's a proven tack-driver in several of my pistols.
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Old September 3, 2010, 10:31 PM   #8
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detailed pics of quack's R1









the ejector is sunk in a little so there is a strange shadow from the slide making it look like it's stepped.


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Old September 3, 2010, 10:42 PM   #13
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Old September 3, 2010, 10:45 PM   #14
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Thank You for the review Tuner...

Looks like Remington did OK, except for the series 80 deal...like you say though, its not the end of the world. But I'd rather not have it on my guns.
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Old September 3, 2010, 11:15 PM   #15
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My suspicion...and this is no more than that...is that the slide and frame came from Colt, along with a few other parts.
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Slide and frame are machined barstock, and nicely done.
I guess I have a lot to learn. I'd have argued that Colt made forged frames, but you said the frame is bar stock?

With my background I'd prefer a bar stock frame over a cast one, just slightly, but I had no idea anyone machined frames from bar stock.

I own some great guns with cast frames.
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The pics that FMJ has posted from quack's R1, illustrate a little. I can live with about half of what I'm seeing there, but there are a few issues that would make me grind my teeth, even though it's an entry level 1911 made by Remington. Nothing surprising though.
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Old September 4, 2010, 06:38 AM   #17
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Wow. That's pretty rough. Quite a difference between that one and the one I saw yesterday. It even appears that there are different materials. Wonder what's up with that...

Looking at these pictures, it seems that their quality and consistency is all over the place. I hope that the learning curve will be short. If not, then their tenure probably will be.

HisSoldier...I doubt if you'll find any true forged frames. They're forged to rough shape and finish machined. The frame isn't the real concern anyway. The slide is the part that takes the heavy stress.
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While doing my monthly gun store crawl which i visit as many as i can and see whats new on the shelves and new stuff to drool over i had to do a double take as one place had a used Rem 1911 in the USED case. $499 BTW.

Just seemed odd for such a new gun on the market making to the used shelf so quick. I still dont read that it was a lemon as gun people do so many weird things when they see something else they want.

The pics posted are very nice and fun to see it internally.
With the street price ive been seeing at $650 i find it a bit hard to think about choosing this over a Springfield or even a Colt and Kimber which can be had at $150 more.
Imo it looks like a $500 gun, And mabey that will happen once the gun settles into the market and not being a new item to the 1911 world.
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Some of it is due to the macro photography, but that grip safety looks poorly mated to me. Those edges and gaps are a recipe for hand biting.
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Some of it is due to the macro photography, but that grip safety looks poorly mated to me. Those edges and gaps are a recipe for hand biting.
It does, for sure. That was one of the things that I looked at on ulflyer's pistol, and it looked good.

Your picture looks like the mating of a .220 radius frame tang with a .250 radius grip safety. Unless the safety is bad outta whack...maybe these are Imbel/Springfield frames, and Remington didn't get the word on the grip safety radius match-up requirement.
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Those images clearly show a cast frame.
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Those images clearly show a cast frame.
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Yep...but the one that I had on the table wasn't. I looked into the frame and slide carefully with a strong light. I saw zero ragged edges, no parting lines, casting flash, or any indication that it was anything except machined barstock.
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It looks better than some pictures of Nighthawks I've seen...
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