642 Club Part Three - Page 20

SOUTHPAW · February 12, 2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riceboy72

Question to the club members: Does anyone here use a formed and fitted leather holster specific to the x42 for daily carry, and if so, how has your finish endured the interior of the holster? I know holster wear is part of carrying, but I don't want to accelerate it whatsoever.

I'm under the impression the finish is fairly durable, but it does have limitations and I hope not to cause premature or unnecessary wear if I can avoid it.

I suggest a leather/kydex hybrid like mine. Kydex is much less harsh than leather is over time...

DAdams · February 12, 2011, 10:45 PM

Quote:

I'm assuming current production so whatever is being shipped is what I'm getting.

The lock is not a deal breaker for me. I have 2 J Frames and both have locks.
Neither have proven to be troublesome or problematic yet. S&W is building some models w/o them. As is evidenced on Bud's website so if you have a preference you might ask your dealer to specify the SKU: 150544.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/56446

Here is one cut for moon clips.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/61695

It appears that Bud's has the 642 lockless as well.

Prices are pretty amazing. These are like the prices after the rebates in 2010.

Brass Rain · February 13, 2011, 12:57 AM

DAdams, that looks like a screamin' deal. I was reading an article in, I think, Handguns Magazine, on moon clips for revolvers. I had thought of having any double-action revolver I ever owned cut for moon clips. I mean there's nothing to be lost, is there? Seems like ordering it that way from the factory would just speed up the process and have it be a little cheaper.

Is there anything lost from cutting a cylinder for moon clips?

motorcycle-charlie · February 13, 2011, 09:07 AM

"Is there anything lost from cutting a cylinder for moon clips? "

just a little material from the cylinder.

DAdams · February 13, 2011, 10:33 AM

Quote:

"Is there anything lost from cutting a cylinder for moon clips? "

just a little material from the cylinder.

And reload cycling time.

The cylinder is cut or routed out to accept the thickness of the clip. You can still load singly or with Speedstrips, the moonclip offers up another fast reload option. You do have to carry something larger in diameter for reloading if you are going to actually use them for EDC. I don't really see any downside?

Quote:

Seems like ordering it that way from the factory would just speed up the process and have it be a little cheaper.

Yes, likely, and the satisfaction of knowing that it is done right. If I were going to buy one today I would look for no lock and cut for clips. In a perfect world....oh and add CT 405s.

In a surreal perfect world I would forgo an X42 and go the lockless M&P340 with CT Grips

route. I know, I know, heresy.

fivewheeler · February 13, 2011, 11:36 AM

I've thought about moon clips, but I wonder how practical they are to carry?
I read where the .38 ones are extremely flimsy and easily bent. I also wonder if when you were using standard (non-moon) rounds if there would be a possibility of a light primer strike because the non-mooned round would be a bit farther from the firing pin. Does that make sense or is my ignorance leaking through?

motorcycle-charlie · February 13, 2011, 11:46 AM

fivewheeler, there are pouches to ccw moonclipped rounds similar to ones that carry speedloaders with the exception there is usually a post sometimes magnetic that comes uo through the center for stability. the non mooned round will sit at the same depth because the head rests on the ejector star on the inside and the high point of the cylinder on the outside. the only thing that sits in the groove is the actual moonclip itself. it is a pretty slick setup that gives you yet another option for reloads. options that do not take away from functionality are A-OK in my book. and you are not ignorant. this is a discussion place to learn new info. i have learned alot on THR. people here have been good to me and i really appreciate that. this is a good place to be.

fivewheeler · February 13, 2011, 04:22 PM

Thanks for the info. I may think more about it

motorcycle-charlie · February 13, 2011, 04:54 PM

if you really want it moonclipped, i would order it that way. i have seen prices around $200-$300 for you to ship the cylinder out to have it cut. plus shipping both ways. you might also affect your warranty. maybee not. that im not sure about. just remember, carrying moonclipped reloads are going to be the same bulk (not weight) of concealing extra cylinders. but it does give you some cool options. good luck with your decision.

Brass Rain · February 13, 2011, 04:59 PM

If that is the case then I guess moon clips are the way to go if you don't mind spending the extra money. And since the x42 are pretty cost-efficient low price/good gun models, I don't see an issue with that. Now I just have to hope that deal will hold through until July...

Anyone have experience with this holster? http://shop.talontraininggroup.com/I...8-IWBSRH10.htm The only thing I don't like about the idea of IWB holsters those leather loops to hold them one are the big snaps and the loops sticking out.

Actually never mind, that holster doesn't have much cant to it. I want the grip to be more inline with my body or it'll stick out more.

clutch · February 13, 2011, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAdams

The lock is not a deal breaker for me. I have 2 J Frames and both have locks.
Neither have proven to be troublesome or problematic yet. S&W is building some models w/o them. As is evidenced on Bud's website so if you have a preference you might ask your dealer to specify the SKU: 150544.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/56446

Prices are pretty amazing. These are like the prices after the rebates in 2010.

Thanks for the lockless link. My ffl guy has his own source and when you consider the transfer fee he doesn't charge me if I let him order form his sources, he is able to stay with Bud's.

I'm sure the locking system works fine but I the only time I lock up my safety it is in a gun safe.

Clutch

motorcycle-charlie · February 13, 2011, 05:50 PM

Brass Rain, for iwb with my 442 i carry it appendix position, at about 1-Oclock. just right of my belt buckle in a straight drop holster with a very strong metal clip. this works great for me. the gun seems to sit in a natural divot there. iwb on my hip doesnt work well bc the bulk of the cylinder. the clip is black and flat and blensd well with a black or even dark brown belt. before you drop big money on a good holster, put the UNLOADED gun in a few positions to see what you want. the holster i have been using is a HighNoon Mr. Softy. it was only about $25.00. it has served me well for a while and they keep them in stock. they also hace canted ones and tuckable ones. not what i expected for $25.00. money well spent.

fivewheeler · February 13, 2011, 06:02 PM

Anyone know any other books/DVD's about defensive tactics just for revolvers?
This is all I have been able to find DVD wise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOVWwOahGf8

Has anyone seen this? Is it worth buying?

Book I found:

http://www.amazon.com/Snubby-Revolve...ref=pd_sim_b_5

Anyone know any info on that?

Gato Montés · February 13, 2011, 07:04 PM

^^^

From what I heard, The Snubby Revolver by Lovette is a must. Actually, thanks to your link I downloaded it directly to my PC for instant reading (it's where I do the bulk of my reading anyway).

As for Clint Smith and Thunder Ranch I've always found Smith to be a particularly good instructor but found his DVDs lacking. I've only had experience with his shotgun DVD, but most of that info could be found right here on THR. If you're new to the game his DVD might offer some some insight, otherwise you might want to pick up his defensive tactics DVD, which will probably show more useful info.

bunker · February 13, 2011, 08:02 PM

some new wood grips from Esmeralda

fivewheeler · February 13, 2011, 08:14 PM

Nice grips bunker

Nasser:
Yes I saw that other DVD too.

I just gave the Snubby book a home on my kindle too. I wonder if there would be any pertinent information in Ed McGivern's "Fancy" book?
I heard someone talking about a book called "shooting (or firing) double action revolvers". I couldn't find that on amazon. That may not be the correct name... if that rings a bell with anyone.

SOUTHPAW · February 13, 2011, 09:11 PM

So I just did something I never thought I would...

... I ordered a pocket holster.

I've always looked down on pocket carry, but after hearing positive things about the Mika holster, I figured I'd give it a try. If it works out, I'll have a nice way to carry my 642 as backup to my Glock 26... Or solo for a quick run to the store... In 2-4 weeks I'll know for sure I guess.

Nematocyst · February 13, 2011, 10:17 PM

Quote:

...the Mika holster...

If you're going to carry in a pocket,
that's the best holster for it.

Customer service is
the best there is.

SOUTHPAW · February 14, 2011, 06:35 AM

Quote:

If you're going to carry in a pocket,
that's the best holster for it.

Customer service is
the best there is.

Good to hear. I've never pocket carried before, and as stated I've never been a fan, especially for a primary weapon. But if it works for back up, I'll be happy. Carry report to follow.

Pacifico · February 14, 2011, 02:13 PM

Just purchased a 438 at the Jax Gun Show a few weeks ago( $380 OTD). It will be my EDC, replacing my 22-4 N frame 45acp. The N will be my carry piece when hunting now. I have enjoyed reading/learning from this thread. I have put Hogue Monogrips on and this morning swapped out the rebound spring with a Wilson 14lb..

I was pleasantly surprised with the mild recoil both with the factory and Hogue grips. I put 50 rounds of Win WB and 10 Hornady 110. Just set the press up to load 125 gr for the range.

Again thanks for all the great info. BTW I'm using a Galco in pocket and Ramora IWB.

Regards,

Pacifico

clutch · February 14, 2011, 07:30 PM

Well so much for my plan DAdams. My ffl guy can't get it from his sources so I asked him to send his ffl to Buds and I'll pay more and get what I want if the no lock 442 is still in stock by then. It would have been sweet to get it for 365 and no transfer fee but if Bud has it, I'll pay the 370 plus the transfer and be happy.

I ordered a nemesis pocket holster, speed strip and a speed loader in advance of purchase. What tears me up is tomorrow I could have a NIB 642 for 365 tomorrow evening but I want a black revolver.

Clutch

DAdams · February 14, 2011, 11:03 PM

Nem
Help clutch out here and let him
Know the 442 will be worth it
AND the Nemesis is a decent holster are you going to get a Mika?

motorcycle-charlie · February 15, 2011, 06:12 AM

clutch, it might cost a few bucks more and take a little more time to get, but you will be gettimg what you want. if it is something you will shoot and carry often, then it is worth it, right? if you really wanted a black gun, the 642 will never make you happy. i have a 442 and love it. carry it every day and shoot it often. it is a gun i will never get rid of. i am partial to dark guns myself.

Friendly, Don't Fire! · February 15, 2011, 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riceboy72

Now my interest in the Mika has skyrocketed. I think I'll be placing an order tomorrow. What's the general consensus in regards to round versus square?? It seems as if round is the way to go. Anyone have both, and if so, any feedback?? I'd appreciate it.

I ordered both the round cut and the square cut over two years ago -- as all pant pockets are different. If I use the round cut in certain (right-front) large pockets, the muzzle wants to ride over to the right and the grip to the left, so it really is not in line to pull a fast draw.

I use both round cut and square cut equally, depending on the pocket.

For how little they cost (and he might ship both for one fee), go with round and square!

clutch · February 15, 2011, 05:22 PM

Well the 442 no lock is on order form Buds. Thank you very much DAdams.

They didn't have my FFL guy listed though he faxed his copy over this morning.

I ordered it anyway and then did the live chat with support. They said it takes a day for a new ffl to show up and by by reading their web pages I thought it was same day but no biggie.

You are absolutely right, once I knew I liked the 442 better than the 642 I had to have that, when I learned there is a no lock version, I had to have that. I don't have any firearms with that additional point of failure. I troubleshoot fairly complex automation systems and some not so complex. Adding a point of failure to something that when employed, failure is not an option, is insanity in my humble opinion.

So who sells the Mika? Like most shooters I have holsters I started out with and holsters I continue to use.

Clutch

February 13, 2011, 12:57 AM	#478
Brass Rain Member Join Date: May 27, 2008 Location: Nowhere, Louisiana Posts: 341	DAdams, that looks like a screamin' deal. I was reading an article in, I think, Handguns Magazine, on moon clips for revolvers. I had thought of having any double-action revolver I ever owned cut for moon clips. I mean there's nothing to be lost, is there? Seems like ordering it that way from the factory would just speed up the process and have it be a little cheaper. Is there anything lost from cutting a cylinder for moon clips? __________________ "Don't think of it as a gun, think of it as a part of your body... that shoots bullets."

February 13, 2011, 11:36 AM	#481
fivewheeler Member Join Date: February 5, 2011 Posts: 13	moonclips I've thought about moon clips, but I wonder how practical they are to carry? I read where the .38 ones are extremely flimsy and easily bent. I also wonder if when you were using standard (non-moon) rounds if there would be a possibility of a light primer strike because the non-mooned round would be a bit farther from the firing pin. Does that make sense or is my ignorance leaking through?

February 13, 2011, 04:59 PM	#485
Brass Rain Member Join Date: May 27, 2008 Location: Nowhere, Louisiana Posts: 341	If that is the case then I guess moon clips are the way to go if you don't mind spending the extra money. And since the x42 are pretty cost-efficient low price/good gun models, I don't see an issue with that. Now I just have to hope that deal will hold through until July... Anyone have experience with this holster? http://shop.talontraininggroup.com/I...8-IWBSRH10.htm The only thing I don't like about the idea of IWB holsters those leather loops to hold them one are the big snaps and the loops sticking out. Actually never mind, that holster doesn't have much cant to it. I want the grip to be more inline with my body or it'll stick out more. __________________ "Don't think of it as a gun, think of it as a part of your body... that shoots bullets." Last edited by Brass Rain; February 13, 2011 at 05:04 PM.

February 13, 2011, 06:02 PM	#488
fivewheeler Member Join Date: February 5, 2011 Posts: 13	defensive revolver dvd/books Anyone know any other books/DVD's about defensive tactics just for revolvers? This is all I have been able to find DVD wise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOVWwOahGf8 Has anyone seen this? Is it worth buying? Book I found: http://www.amazon.com/Snubby-Revolve...ref=pd_sim_b_5 Anyone know any info on that?

February 13, 2011, 07:04 PM	#489
Gato Montés Member Join Date: January 14, 2007 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 582	^^^ From what I heard, The Snubby Revolver by Lovette is a must. Actually, thanks to your link I downloaded it directly to my PC for instant reading (it's where I do the bulk of my reading anyway). As for Clint Smith and Thunder Ranch I've always found Smith to be a particularly good instructor but found his DVDs lacking. I've only had experience with his shotgun DVD, but most of that info could be found right here on THR. If you're new to the game his DVD might offer some some insight, otherwise you might want to pick up his defensive tactics DVD, which will probably show more useful info. __________________ A true testament to a man's worth is not how much he has amassed, but how quick and how happy he is to share it.

February 13, 2011, 09:07 AM	#479
motorcycle-charlie Member Join Date: November 13, 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 257	"Is there anything lost from cutting a cylinder for moon clips? " just a little material from the cylinder.

February 13, 2011, 11:46 AM	#482
motorcycle-charlie Member Join Date: November 13, 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 257	fivewheeler, there are pouches to ccw moonclipped rounds similar to ones that carry speedloaders with the exception there is usually a post sometimes magnetic that comes uo through the center for stability. the non mooned round will sit at the same depth because the head rests on the ejector star on the inside and the high point of the cylinder on the outside. the only thing that sits in the groove is the actual moonclip itself. it is a pretty slick setup that gives you yet another option for reloads. options that do not take away from functionality are A-OK in my book. and you are not ignorant. this is a discussion place to learn new info. i have learned alot on THR. people here have been good to me and i really appreciate that. this is a good place to be.

February 13, 2011, 04:22 PM	#483
fivewheeler Member Join Date: February 5, 2011 Posts: 13	Thanks for the info. I may think more about it

February 13, 2011, 04:54 PM	#484
motorcycle-charlie Member Join Date: November 13, 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 257	if you really want it moonclipped, i would order it that way. i have seen prices around $200-$300 for you to ship the cylinder out to have it cut. plus shipping both ways. you might also affect your warranty. maybee not. that im not sure about. just remember, carrying moonclipped reloads are going to be the same bulk (not weight) of concealing extra cylinders. but it does give you some cool options. good luck with your decision.

February 13, 2011, 05:50 PM	#487
motorcycle-charlie Member Join Date: November 13, 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 257	Brass Rain, for iwb with my 442 i carry it appendix position, at about 1-Oclock. just right of my belt buckle in a straight drop holster with a very strong metal clip. this works great for me. the gun seems to sit in a natural divot there. iwb on my hip doesnt work well bc the bulk of the cylinder. the clip is black and flat and blensd well with a black or even dark brown belt. before you drop big money on a good holster, put the UNLOADED gun in a few positions to see what you want. the holster i have been using is a HighNoon Mr. Softy. it was only about $25.00. it has served me well for a while and they keep them in stock. they also hace canted ones and tuckable ones. not what i expected for $25.00. money well spent.

February 13, 2011, 08:14 PM	#491
fivewheeler Member Join Date: February 5, 2011 Posts: 13	Nice grips bunker Nasser: Yes I saw that other DVD too. I just gave the Snubby book a home on my kindle too. I wonder if there would be any pertinent information in Ed McGivern's "Fancy" book? I heard someone talking about a book called "shooting (or firing) double action revolvers". I couldn't find that on amazon. That may not be the correct name... if that rings a bell with anyone.

February 13, 2011, 09:11 PM	#492
SOUTHPAW Member Join Date: February 1, 2010 Location: CT Posts: 319	So I just did something I never thought I would... ... I ordered a pocket holster. I've always looked down on pocket carry, but after hearing positive things about the Mika holster, I figured I'd give it a try. If it works out, I'll have a nice way to carry my 642 as backup to my Glock 26... Or solo for a quick run to the store... In 2-4 weeks I'll know for sure I guess. __________________ •Glock •Glades Gun Works •Kel-Tec •LWRC •M&P •Mossberg •Ruger •Smith & Wesson •Walther Our 2nd amendment ensures all others...

February 14, 2011, 02:13 PM	#495
Pacifico Member Join Date: August 28, 2010 Posts: 2	New 438 Just purchased a 438 at the Jax Gun Show a few weeks ago( $380 OTD). It will be my EDC, replacing my 22-4 N frame 45acp. The N will be my carry piece when hunting now. I have enjoyed reading/learning from this thread. I have put Hogue Monogrips on and this morning swapped out the rebound spring with a Wilson 14lb.. I was pleasantly surprised with the mild recoil both with the factory and Hogue grips. I put 50 rounds of Win WB and 10 Hornady 110. Just set the press up to load 125 gr for the range. Again thanks for all the great info. BTW I'm using a Galco in pocket and Ramora IWB. Regards, Pacifico

February 14, 2011, 07:30 PM	#496
clutch Member Join Date: September 3, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 658	Well so much for my plan DAdams. My ffl guy can't get it from his sources so I asked him to send his ffl to Buds and I'll pay more and get what I want if the no lock 442 is still in stock by then. It would have been sweet to get it for 365 and no transfer fee but if Bud has it, I'll pay the 370 plus the transfer and be happy. I ordered a nemesis pocket holster, speed strip and a speed loader in advance of purchase. What tears me up is tomorrow I could have a NIB 642 for 365 tomorrow evening but I want a black revolver. Clutch

February 15, 2011, 06:12 AM	#498
motorcycle-charlie Member Join Date: November 13, 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 257	clutch, it might cost a few bucks more and take a little more time to get, but you will be gettimg what you want. if it is something you will shoot and carry often, then it is worth it, right? if you really wanted a black gun, the 642 will never make you happy. i have a 442 and love it. carry it every day and shoot it often. it is a gun i will never get rid of. i am partial to dark guns myself.

February 15, 2011, 05:22 PM	#500
clutch Member Join Date: September 3, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 658	Well the 442 no lock is on order form Buds. Thank you very much DAdams. They didn't have my FFL guy listed though he faxed his copy over this morning. I ordered it anyway and then did the live chat with support. They said it takes a day for a new ffl to show up and by by reading their web pages I thought it was same day but no biggie. You are absolutely right, once I knew I liked the 442 better than the 642 I had to have that, when I learned there is a no lock version, I had to have that. I don't have any firearms with that additional point of failure. I troubleshoot fairly complex automation systems and some not so complex. Adding a point of failure to something that when employed, failure is not an option, is insanity in my humble opinion. So who sells the Mika? Like most shooters I have holsters I started out with and holsters I continue to use. Clutch Last edited by clutch; February 15, 2011 at 05:51 PM.