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Old September 21, 2011, 03:58 PM   #876
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My HKS #36 speedloaders, loaded with +P 158gr LHPSWC's (or my mixed brass 125gr JHP homebrews), works fine with my box-stock 642-2.

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I should have said they don't work with most of the stock grips. I tried mine again, it works, but i had to wiggle it alot to make it work. With the Hogue grips, it just slips right in there...
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Old September 21, 2011, 04:13 PM   #877
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the 642 wont take moon clips? or a 637?
I believe the Pro models are designed to use the moon clips. Check the S&W website to be sure...
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Old September 21, 2011, 11:30 PM   #878
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I did, thank you! ...I started on it as soon I walked in the door last night from picking it up.....got yelled at for being late for dinner.
Nice holster Rayban! Good to see a leather pocket holster without the silly two-piece seam at the front. Can you make it rough out?
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Old September 21, 2011, 11:37 PM   #879
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Well, I paid off my lay-away 642 today and placed an order for a custom holster as well. I'll wait till I have both in hand for any photos, but I'm in the club it seems.
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Old September 22, 2011, 07:15 AM   #880
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Nice holster Rayban! Good to see a leather pocket holster without the silly two-piece seam at the front. Can you make it rough out?
Sure can make it rough out....but I believe if a rough out was wanted it may be better in cowhide rather than horse. Cow would be a bit "rougher", but of course, it's a matter of preference.
The seam at the front is usually meant to create a "snag" on the pocket to keep the holster in the pocket as you draw.....the sharp corner you see in mine near the trigger guard accomplishes the same thing for me.

Here's a rough out I did......oh yeah, with that silly seam....
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Old September 22, 2011, 11:20 AM   #881
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The clearcoat on the stainless version's aluminum frame tends to show carry wear, and rather quickly, in my estimation. The stainless parts get holster polished, and the clearcoat gets edge wear, and peels. Some of them look like they have leprosy. Mine is beyond that in most areas (just bare aluminum now, IOW), but on the left side over the S&W seal, the clearcoat is cracked just like it did in other areas, but because of where it is, it is ... brown, a bit, from dirt and sweat and grime sitting in those minute finish flaws. I think my next project on this gun is to remove all of the clearcoat.

But none of that really matters on a gun made of stainless and aluminum, since there's still no corrosion going on. I can leave it the way it is, and let the finish continue to wear away, and nothing bad is actually going to happen to the gun. If I had a 442 with as much finish wear as this 642 has, there would be some serious risk of corrosion (rust) to the barrel and cylinder.
This sounds as if these 642s/442s have some finish quality problems. I really like the black 442s alot, but I am now heistant to buy. I do appreciate the honesty though.
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Old September 22, 2011, 11:48 AM   #882
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I had a 442 that I carried daily for close to 2 years. Not even a hint of the finish coming off.
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Old September 22, 2011, 12:23 PM   #883
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Ok, here is my current delima. Local gun shop has NIB 442 with lock for $329.00. I originally wanted a "No Lock" model, but should I go ahead with this lock model for $329?
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Old September 22, 2011, 01:51 PM   #884
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I understand the anti-lock sentiment. The lock makes me feel like some anti-gun legislator handled it and got authoritarian germs all over it that you can't wash off.

But is there any practical reason for preferring a no-lock model? Have they ever been known to be a point of failure or caused any mechanical problems?

Don't get me wrong, given the choice and all else equal I would avoid the lock, I'm just curious if there are any operational reasons for avoiding lock models.
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Old September 22, 2011, 02:02 PM   #885
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There are rumors that they have locked up on their own while firing. I haven't talked to anybody that actually had this happen. I would prefer that mine not have a lock. It does. Oh well. Maybe I'll remove it or get it removed some day.
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Old September 22, 2011, 02:05 PM   #886
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I'm in if y'all will have me.

I own a 642 that used to be my Dad's, but when he bought a .380, it was passed down to me. It wasn't the first handgun I shot, but it was pretty much the gun I learned to shoot on.

A couple days ago, I took it to the range, and used it in the Falling Plate Match. Not many people were expecting a gun like that to come out and play

I'll post some pictures of the gun when I can....


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Old September 22, 2011, 02:16 PM   #887
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Before I picked up my 442 I researched it pretty thoroughly, and in doing so came across PAGES and PAGES in several different forums regarding this lock-no lock stuff.....I hope this fine thread doesn't become yet another one of those.....
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Old September 22, 2011, 02:19 PM   #888
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Ok, here is my current delima. Local gun shop has NIB 442 with lock for $329.00. I originally wanted a "No Lock" model, but should I go ahead with this lock model for $329?
I say that's a really good deal and you shouldn't pass it up.......remove the lock if it causes you sleeplessness
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Old September 22, 2011, 02:43 PM   #889
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The no-lock 442's are available from davidson's for around $400 with ffl fees, shipping, and tax already included.
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Old September 22, 2011, 06:04 PM   #890
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I have shot more than a few Buffalo Bore 158 +p's thru my airweight with the lock and it has been a non issue......
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Old September 22, 2011, 09:04 PM   #891
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The technical aspects of the lock don't trouble me, I just don't care for the aesthetics of the hole.

I have two J Frames with locks and have a few hundred rounds through each with no negative implications.

Welcome K-Man. You are now a member of the J Frame Centennial Family.

Myself, I'm an inflatable boat boat man, Achilles and Zodiac the ones with those nasty OBMs.
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Old September 22, 2011, 10:56 PM   #892
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Sure can make it rough out....but I believe if a rough out was wanted it may be better in cowhide rather than horse. Cow would be a bit "rougher", but of course, it's a matter of preference.
The seam at the front is usually meant to create a "snag" on the pocket to keep the holster in the pocket as you draw.....the sharp corner you see in mine near the trigger guard accomplishes the same thing for me.

Here's a rough out I did......oh yeah, with that silly seam....
Sounds good. I'm a big Mika fan, but I'm always willing to experiment. I'll be contacting you soon for a rough-out horsehide...sans seam The one in your original post reminds me of the old Galco's with very little molding, and no front seam. Those were dang good pocket holsters before they changed them.

I have a couple with the front seam, and those holsters usually stay in the drawer.
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Old September 22, 2011, 11:32 PM   #893
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Here's what happens when you can't wait to make the next holster for your new baby and you're not quite awake yet.....you stitch the strap on backwards and don't realize it til it's too late......oh well, it's just for me so it's a keeper.
This is a OWB.....works pretty good. (Also in horse, as you can see)

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Old September 24, 2011, 01:33 AM   #894
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A good price, for sure. If the lock really bothers you (as it did me), I bought a 442 no-lock from Bud's for $361, no shipping, no sales tax, and my FFL only charges 20 bucks. A pretty decent deal, I thought...and I don't have to look at that stupid hole for the next few decades.
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Old September 26, 2011, 10:14 AM   #895
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Ok, I picked this one up this past Friday. It's brand new. I haven't fired it yet, but so far it looks and feels good!

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Old September 26, 2011, 11:35 AM   #896
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Nice pick up Lightsped! Still kicking myself for selling my old 442-1 from '98 or so.
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Old September 29, 2011, 12:53 AM   #897
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The finish on my 642 has also worn off around the sharp edges after carrying it almost daily for about 6 months. Like someone else said, not a big deal on a stainless & aluminum gun. It's not really noticeable, there are just parts of the frame that are shinier than others.
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Old September 29, 2011, 01:03 AM   #898
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I have finish wearing off too. Oh well.
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Old October 1, 2011, 08:28 PM   #899
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congrats Lightsped. you are gonna love it. there are many great ways to conceal this little grenade. good luck with it.
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Old October 3, 2011, 12:32 PM   #900
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Well, I bought my dad a new 642 over the weekend. Same price as mine. $329. I compared his 642 to my 442 and noticed that the text on the barrel is different.

On the 442, the left side of the barrel is "S&W 38spl +P" and on the right side of the barrel is "Smith & Wesson".

On the 642, the left side of the barrel is two lines made up of "Smith and Wesson". Under that is "S&W 38spl +P". On the right side of the barrel there is no text.

The fonts on both guns are different as well.

My 442 was built in Feb 2011. His 642 was built in June 2011.

Anyone else noticed these differences?
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