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Old July 22, 2014, 10:58 AM   #1
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mutt deterrent

I am looking for advice regarding "nightstick" style pieces of wood.

I am trying to lose weight and part that entails cycling. When my wife and I walk in our neighborhood I carry a shovel handle for a mutt deterrent. I was thinking of making a shorter version to wear in a "holster" strapped to my calf for easy access on the bike.

I know WV law says no black jacks, saps etc. My question is: Would law enforcement look at my set up as a illegal?

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Old July 22, 2014, 11:12 AM   #2
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Why not just get a police baton? (Or maybe a can of bear spray?)
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Old July 22, 2014, 11:13 AM   #3
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A retractable baton should meet your needs. I use a 21" ASP.
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Old July 22, 2014, 11:13 AM   #4
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walking stick or cane.attach it to the bike in a pull out tube attached vertically to the fork tubes
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Old July 22, 2014, 11:27 AM   #5
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Why not just get a police baton? (Or maybe a can of bear spray?)
Because my version is free, and usually all you have to do is show them the stick and they run. You cannot do that with bear spray.
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Old July 22, 2014, 11:28 AM   #6
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walking stick or cane.attach it to the bike in a pull out tube attached vertically to the fork tubes
I thought about that but I was unsure of how easy it would be to get out. I may have to experiment with it.
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Old July 22, 2014, 11:36 AM   #7
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Pepper spray in a bike mount.

Another on Amazon.

Dogs will typically attack from behind while you're riding, it's instinctual. That means you'll always be spraying downwind. Pepper spray is very effective against dogs- I've seen it.

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Old July 22, 2014, 01:13 PM   #8
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usually all you have to do is show them the stick and they run
I highly doubt most dogs are running from the stick. No, they're running from you and the fact that you've confronted them. Most dogs don't understand weapons, but they do understand people's body language. And when a person confronts a dog with dominant aggression (with or without a weapon), they almost always back off. The weapon usually only serves to give the person confidence, which the dog can sense.

I'm with Mainsail that you should try pepper spray. If you still want to use a short stick, just attach it to the bike in a place that would normally hold a bike pump. You can probably even use a bike pump bracket.
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Old July 22, 2014, 02:45 PM   #9
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I agree with pepper spray on bike or wrist mount. Pay the $10 and be ready for 4-legged and 2-legged predators.

I would have to say that strapping a baton onto your calf is going to bring attention to yourself -and some uncomfortable riding. If you believe that just waving a stick at an aggressive dog will do it, then just use your bike-mounted pump and let us know how that works out.
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Old July 22, 2014, 03:59 PM   #10
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bear spray might get you busted for animal cruelty issues, as it's over kill,and specifically made for bears.check your state laws about what mace is allowable for personal use.a cane,or walking stick is easier to justify.
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Old July 22, 2014, 04:24 PM   #11
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Some years ago a buddy of mine was a letter carrier. He carried a squirt bottle of straight Bo-Peep Ammonia in his bag. He told me even the biggest, meanest German Shepard was not ready to tangle with the ammonia. Much cheaper than pepper spray and just as effective. Now as to those who say watch out for animal rights people, I say people have the right not to be attacked in public places by unrestrained "pets".
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Old July 22, 2014, 04:26 PM   #12
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Ooh, ammonia to the highly tuned olfactory organs of a dog would be quite a deterrent.
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Old July 22, 2014, 04:36 PM   #13
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Don't know if it's legal where you are but my dog is terrified of the sound of a cheap stun gun. The sound of bug zappers also send him hiding under the bed.
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Old July 22, 2014, 05:27 PM   #14
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How about

A good firm NO ....no need to harm a dog for doing their job.

If it persists, knock on the owners door and rap THEM on the nose.

Sorry guys, any thought of harming a dog just rankles me (I like them more than people )...

I have been able to quiet the most aggressive dog by simple commands and calmness

SIT
STAY
GO HOME
Good boy !
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Old July 22, 2014, 05:35 PM   #15
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Just pretend your Rick Perry, Governor of TX. and carry your wife's/daughter's 380......

Just jokin..... 45 works better.
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Old July 22, 2014, 05:51 PM   #16
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Pepper spray is what you want. Trust me.

By the time the dog is close enough to hit with the stick, it'll be close enough to take a chunk out of you. Various pepper spray pattern sprayers will give you at least a 10' stand off distance. Also, pepper spray is effective against dogs. It really throws them for a loop and when hit with it they'll usually stop what they're doing and start trying to smear it off by sticking there face in the dirt.

I DO NOT agree that a gun is the best thing to use against an aggressive dog. I would MUCH rather hit the dog with pepper spray/mace that is proven effective against them that will not permanently kill them or severely injure them. Can you think of any legal repercussions from killing someones dog, justified or not, by shooting them? I can. Also you might get hit with all manner of things like discharging a firearm in city limits etc. etc. I know some will say "better that than get eaten by a dog" but the truth is, I'd recon pepper spray is actually more effective at stopping them than a bullet can be if it doesn't hit CNS. Large angry dogs can and will fight through being shot. They don't understand television and unlike humans, a dog doesn't know it's supposed to lay down and die when it gets shot.

Overwhelming the pooch who uses it's eyes and nose far more than you do with pepper spray will make them settle down in a hurry. Look it up, there are many videos showing this to be true. To some extent this effective can happen with other animals like bears to. I for one would MUCH rather have a can of mace in my hand if a dog was after me than a darn stick of any kind, and in truth the mace would probably be better than a gun.

Leave the silly stick at home and get yourself some pepper spray!

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Old July 22, 2014, 08:25 PM   #17
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Old July 22, 2014, 09:28 PM   #18
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Mace or pepper spray.

The trouble with a stick is the old "Swing and a miss! He's bit!"
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Old July 22, 2014, 09:31 PM   #19
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bear spray might get you busted for animal cruelty issues, as it's over kill,and specifically made for bears.
It's the same stuff as regular OC, just in a jumbo size can that releases a heavier, farther traveling stream.
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Old July 23, 2014, 03:34 AM   #20
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I've talked to some folks that informed me pepper spray didn't seem make any significant affect on the dogs in there situation. No personal experience so far though.

Now the meter readers I've talked to say umbrellas work very well and seem to really confuse the dogs.
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Old July 23, 2014, 08:20 AM   #21
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I was about to second the collapsible baton idea, I've got one (not that I carry it) but it comes in a holster and is very rugged. However the bear spray ideas seems good too, and I don't believe there's any permanent damage so if worst case scenario you had to hit a dog with it, they would eventually recover and going back to their owner the owner might think 'hey I better keep a closer eye on him'.

Also, the taser idea, while I wouldn't make it my only option, seems like a good thing to try. Every dog I've been around has been scared of the noise of a good one, but I would have a backup in case you come up against one that isn't.
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Old July 23, 2014, 08:29 AM   #22
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My Mom always carried aluminum salt shaker with about a dozen pennies in it. She would shake it and it worked really well.
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Old July 23, 2014, 09:02 AM   #23
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While riding your bike, have your wife toss a melon at you at about the height of a dogs head and try to hit it with the stick you plan on carrying. Now remember that it might take multiple hits to make the animal stop.

While riding your bike, try to hit a moving target multiple times with a squirt gun from concealment one handed.

Now take a can a Bear Spray that is mounted on your handle bars and spray in the direction of said animal.

It is hard to get a good strong swing with anything, one handed and stay on the bike.

It is hard to draw from concealment and take aim one handed and hit a target from a bike.

The Bear Spray is the best option.

If the animal is not under someones control or leashed, it is fare game while attacking/being aggressive towards you. Screw the animal rights people.
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Old July 23, 2014, 11:02 AM   #24
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I bred, raised, and trained American Pitbull Terriers for more than 35 years. I've owned some outstanding animals; and I'm, pretty sure, I know dogs. My suggestion would be for you to use a decent quality pepper spray - The same kind of product that is used for defense against human attackers.

Because a dog's mucus membranes are on the outside of its nose, the animal's: nose, eyes, and mouth are particularly susceptible to pepper spray. This stuff is, 'da bomb'; and I'm sure it will work! (You won't end up getting in trouble with the police, or having your carry permit yanked for being, 'trigger happy' either.)

http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Labs-5-3-m...797561-0811015

And this is complete overkill:

http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Enforcemen...11D40JM3A0BGQD



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Old July 23, 2014, 11:36 AM   #25
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I'd avoid any clubbing type weapons with the way state code is written. A walking stick or cane is a different matter with the knee problems you've been having.

Seriously, we see in colors and smell in black & white compared to dogs who see in black & white and smell in technicolor. Good pepper spray works very very well and as a plus dogs remember who had that stuff and avoid them like the plague.
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