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View Poll Results: Do you carry a walking cane?
Always 47 9.96%
Sometimes 191 40.47%
Never 185 39.19%
Concealed Carry is enough 66 13.98%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 472. You may not vote on this poll

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Old July 16, 2011, 11:27 AM   #301
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Plenty of vidios and books on cane useage available. I have trained with one seriously for around ten years, don't need it but it goes where my other obvious weapons can't. I would say awareness and some knowledge of anatomy is necessary. If you are a MMA fan remember everything illegal in a MMA fight is where you train to hit. I use my own method and with training you should discover what works for you and make it an automatic reaction. I have used mine in situations where some folks would draw a handgun or knife. In short it is a great weapon, probably the first next to a rock.
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Old July 16, 2011, 12:51 PM   #302
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The name of the game is Cheat to win with a cane or any other item you carry.
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Old July 21, 2011, 09:21 PM   #303
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just put the following tip on one of my two canes:
- http://www.treelineusa.com/walking-s...mbing-tip.html

A bit of information:
- fine thread screw on tip
-- cane will need to be whiddled down into a taper to accomodate tip internal geometry and threading

- mass = 0.025 kg
-- when coupled with a light weight wooden cane provides just enough end weight to promote optimal balance for utilization as a proper doggie snout thumper
-- may also be used to lightly jab if above method proves unsuccessful


i believe i have the optimal method for snout thumping down pat, but have no idea of the proper terminology to describe it:
- 1. i grip by shaking hands with the light cane maybe 5" down shaft from handle with tip end pointing forward
- 2. quick wrist twist, baton twirl, bringing end down and around 360 degrees to meet squarely the top of the snout of the offending canine
-- of note: if at all possible, offending canine will be warded off with staff sans snout thump or jab. this would be the ideal situation resolution.
-- of further note: above method proves much quicker and more effective than lifting end up and swinging downward

can't wait to get one on my Harvy Derby tomorrow. . . .
- http://www.harvycanes.com/ecom/shop/default.asp


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Old July 22, 2011, 09:47 AM   #304
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Unless injured or my gout is acting up I don't carry mine. Handy little thing. Just push down and twist counter clockwise and I have a very sharp 3" nail cleaner.
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Old July 22, 2011, 10:50 AM   #305
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I don't always carry a stick but, when I do, it's a three foot peice of leftover 1.5 inch PVC pipe.

I moved to a rural area and I only carry it on walks to fend off vicious dogs, coyotes, and other critters. I also carry a 9mm but will use the stick first, if feasible.
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Old July 22, 2011, 12:01 PM   #306
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I don't always carry a stick but, when I do, it's a three foot peice of leftover 1.5 inch PVC pipe
I barely got thru the first 3 words before the voice in my head was that guy from the Dos Equis commercials
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Old July 22, 2011, 11:09 PM   #307
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I don't always carry a stick but, when I do, it's a three foot peice of leftover 1.5 inch PVC pipe.

I moved to a rural area and I only carry it on walks to fend off vicious dogs, coyotes, and other critters. I also carry a 9mm but will use the stick first, if feasible.
If it is rate S-40 the it will work but still not as good as a shovel handle or stock cane.
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Old July 22, 2011, 11:37 PM   #308
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The biggest mistake people make when selecting a cane for SD is to choose one that is far too light. Anything less than a solid pound is an implement or corperal punishment rather than a weapon. A determined man can take pain, he can't take deep muscle trauma, nerve damage and broken bones.
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Old July 24, 2011, 03:14 PM   #309
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Amen Mr. Sparks !
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Old July 24, 2011, 10:42 PM   #310
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I figure that as long as it's possible to crush a skull with a cane, then it's probably acceptable for other techniques... PVC is good enough against most dogs if you are just wanting to inflict pain and not seriously injure the animal, but it will break a bit easier than I would prefer. Maybe the sched-80 ABS would be a bit better, but then again, I prefer a hickory maul handle...
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Old July 25, 2011, 03:47 AM   #311
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In my move I found that I could not pack my cane so I carried it, but only as far as the flight from Atlanta to Seoul, I left it on the plane
I will have to look around Phnom Penh to see if I can find a good replacement, it was a good solid hickory stock cane. I could have used it in walking around Angkor Wat, lots of off sized steps.
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Old July 25, 2011, 06:38 AM   #312
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That sucks Brian! Hopefully you'll find a replacement.

I've been using my Canemaster Hickory a lot lately, having had a masssive gout attack that's still going on after a week!
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Old July 25, 2011, 11:59 AM   #313
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It is hard to find a store bought cane that has sufficient mass to double as a weapon. They are marketed to the elderly and the lame and people in poor physical condition need the lightest thing that they can find. My Dad bought one at the drug store when he hurt his knee. It was nothing more than a hollow aluminum tube with a rubber tip and foam rubber handle. It did a fine job for its intended purpose but was worthless as a weapon as it only weighed a few ounces.
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Old July 25, 2011, 12:08 PM   #314
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In my move I found that I could not pack my cane so I carried it, but only as far as the flight from Atlanta to Seoul, I left it on the plane
I will have to look around Phnom Penh to see if I can find a good replacement, it was a good solid hickory stock cane. I could have used it in walking around Angkor Wat, lots of off sized steps.
Hope you get a replacement soon. Look for a Rattan one they are light but very strong.
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Old July 25, 2011, 12:27 PM   #315
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Light canes can often still be used as a jabbing weapon. Not as good as a good hickory club for a cane, but better than nothing, I guess...
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Old July 25, 2011, 01:31 PM   #316
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Light canes can often still be used as a jabbing weapon. Not as good as a good hickory club for a cane, but better than nothing, I guess...
Right, because when you properly jab with the cane it takes on all the weight of your body and the weight of the cane becomes irrelevant.

For circular strikes you are for all intents and purposes throwing the stick. At the point of impact your body's contribution is over and your hand is just along for the ride. This is when your canes weight becomes critical to transferring energy to the target.
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Old July 25, 2011, 01:58 PM   #317
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For circular strikes you are for all intents and purposes throwing the stick.
Not if you're trained in cane or escrima since you strike with the cane and drop your weight with the strikes.

BTW, I've switched to the unbreakable umbrella since my wife gave one to me for my birthday. We put it through a cane routine on a practice dummy and it did perfectly.
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Old July 25, 2011, 02:26 PM   #318
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Yes you drop your weight into the strike, along with the snap of the wrist and but at the point of impact the contribution of your body should be totaly transfered into independant momentum of the stick. If your body weight is still pulling the stick at impact you have left out the wrist snap. For more on this look at any baseball instructional video on the basics of batting practice.

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Old July 25, 2011, 03:39 PM   #319
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I should. I need one for my leg anyway. A used to train with a bowstaff and was quite good. Not snymore. I should carryba cane and fine some classes for the bowstaff again.
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Old July 25, 2011, 04:40 PM   #320
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gibson_es, you might consider classes in hanbō ("half-staff") as a logical extension of your skillset with the .
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Old July 25, 2011, 08:23 PM   #321
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OS,

If you're striking and snapping back that would apply, but if you're striking through you're continuing to drive the stick as it hits. Two very different types of strikes in escrima, but each useful.
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Old July 25, 2011, 08:43 PM   #322
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It is hard to argue a point on the internet. My Dad was a baseball coach and I KNOW what I am talking about when it comes to hitting things with a stick. You throw the bat rather than pulling it and no, you don't snap it back, you follow through with any heavy stick.

BTW, I am a martial arts instructor with 24 years experience.
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Old July 25, 2011, 08:57 PM   #323
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I've been a student of martial arts for a while and studied escrima under two Insosanto line teachers for several years. I have a great affection for sticks and blades and their use (which might explain why I'm here ). Short and long range provides different opportunities for strikes. My teachers taught me to sink my weight on through strikes at intermediate and long range to put more power into them. We were shattering coconuts pretty easily with rattan using this. Fun and messy and hard on ratan.

And yes, it is difficult to debate a physical point on the internet.
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Old July 25, 2011, 09:25 PM   #324
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I'm only 27, but I blew out my knee a year ago. I tore my meniscus, MCL and ACL. I carried a cane for a few months (after graduating from a wheelchair and crutches) and thought of it as a good defensive tool. I always carried an assisted opening knife, but did not yet have my CCW permit.

Now that I have my CCW permit, I always carry a handgun and I feel that my cane would just slow my draw. If I tweak my knee, which still happens from time to time, I will use the cane for a few days. If I have to have it, I make it a part of my SD plan.

I'm amazed by how many people assume, due to my limp and my age, that I am an Iraq or Afghanistan vet. Especially when I had the cane, people would hold the door and make comments like, "Thanks for your service". It's kind of embarrassing to tell them I'm not a vet... The real story isn't nearly that interesting.
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Old July 27, 2011, 04:08 PM   #325
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