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Old March 29, 2014, 10:28 PM   #1
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Looking for an accurate flintlock

I'm thinning the herd on my unused cartridge guns, and should be able to come up with a few thousand bucks for a nice match quality shooter.

Any suggestions on builders i can contact?
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Old March 29, 2014, 10:58 PM   #2
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Not sure but here is one of mine ( bench target gun) Morris


nice machine work

Lock


I got a Herman also, tho can't seem to find pics, lot more wood, sort of unusual looking but a shooter

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Old March 29, 2014, 11:09 PM   #3
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That's a beauty, probably a bit more then 3 grand though.
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Old March 29, 2014, 11:25 PM   #4
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Hard to say, it was a confusing search to get it as it was once part of a informal set. I had 3 of the 4 guns, this was the missing one. After some time and luck I got it. Are u looking for bench or offhand?
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Old March 30, 2014, 12:53 AM   #5
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Off hand or light bench rest, not ready for the heavy guns yet, maybe in a few years, those slug guns are fascinating.
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Old March 30, 2014, 08:09 AM   #6
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Hrm, nothing in the light catagory here, dunno why ther Herman weighs. It is the most ugly rifle I have seen but shoots crazy well. I got the guns and ammo article with him shooting it on the cover in the 1960's

I do have a really nice percussion that fits your need, I bet the builder could whip up a rock lock version. Will check name, not sure how to contact but it does appear contemporary so maybe still building.

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Old March 30, 2014, 09:46 AM   #7
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That is an impressive gun and lock. Machined lock plate with raised lip on a 1850-1865 style target barrel gun.
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Old March 30, 2014, 01:25 PM   #8
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Thank u, he did awesome work.
Found pics of the percussion off hand gun, will get maker for u when I am near it again, I want to say Davidson??



Me at 100, 1st group. I shot 4 from the bench( top 4) and was getting heckled by an old friend. 'Back in the day we would stand on our hind limbs and shoot at 100, bla bla.'
So last shot, him glassing it, I stood and nicked the red, close enough to my bench group. 'Easy enough, but I think I ruined my group.' I said. His mouth dropped open and I cleaned up for the day. 1000% luck!! But it was a moment
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Old March 30, 2014, 02:33 PM   #9
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Thank you Sir, i appreciate your efforts.

That's some impressive shooting. I've got a couple in-lines that will shoot sub 1'' groups at 100 with a sabot and TMZ boat tails, but one of my bucket list goals is to shoot that with a round ball and patch.
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Old March 30, 2014, 04:22 PM   #10
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well, if your shooting is anything like mine, if that is on your bucket list..u will live forever!
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Old March 30, 2014, 08:57 PM   #11
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I won't. Given a milling machine, I can make my own.
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Old March 31, 2014, 05:50 AM   #12
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Old March 31, 2014, 07:18 AM   #13
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Over the counter Lyman GPR flintlock.
Benched at 100 yards. Contest was three shots.
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Old March 31, 2014, 02:54 PM   #14
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Thanks Pete, i've considered those

Nice target.
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Old April 2, 2014, 07:53 AM   #15
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Dave, I'd talk to Cabin Creek Muzzleloaders. I have one of the Pennsylvania Mountain Rifles in .54 and it's very very accurate from a bench. I only have a plain, single trigger, but if I had it fitted with a double set trigger it would easily be an all around match gun. Nice weight, I can carry it all day in the field. I slay deer every year with it.

They don't make rifles necessarily dedicated to target shooting, but a hunting and plinking gun that you can take to the occasional match with a good chance of coming away with a prize is well within their means. They have basic packages that they build into rifles, but you should be able to modify the parts list to suit what you want. I'd give them a call and see what they say.

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Old April 2, 2014, 08:10 AM   #16
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I do not know if Dan Kindig is still building rifles but the one's he built served him well at Friendship.

They also have rifles by other builders ready for purchase.

http://www.logcabinshop.com/
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Old April 2, 2014, 08:18 AM   #17
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Some thoughts

The heart of any gun's accuracy begins with the barrel. Start with that. The next thing is a well tuned lock and a smooth trigger. After that is the stock.

One thing about those heavy barrel guns is to remember what the old timers (1850-1865) did. They used a barrel rest that had a cone on the rest. The barrel had a corresponding hole for the cone to sit in. This is better than a bean bag/bean bags/tripod. Why? Because pressure on the barrel is consistent. It doesn't take much to bend a barrel .001" and that's why sniper rifles have free floated barrels. If you use sandbags/tripods, there's no guarantee that the pressure on the barrel will be consistent from shot to shot. The sand shifts or the barrel could have pressure on a different point every time the rifle is reloaded and placed back atop of the bags.
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Old April 2, 2014, 12:00 PM   #18
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Send the NMLRA a note and ask for assistance.
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Old April 2, 2014, 10:19 PM   #19
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Thanks gentlemen, just the kind of advise/suggestions i was looking for, i appreciate your help.
I've got almost a year to get something ready for the next match at Ben Avery where i hope to pull off a miracle and win a match, hell, maybe i'll be able to do what fdf did and move up from marksman to expert pistol shooter with a few records under my belt
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Old April 3, 2014, 07:14 AM   #21
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Have you considered the Pedersoli Mortimer .54 calibre rifle? Many MLAIC shooters use the target version with tunnel foresight and an adjustable peep sight mounted on the tang, and are winning matches with it too.
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Have you considered the Pedersoli Mortimer .54 calibre rifle? Many MLAIC shooters use the target version with tunnel foresight and an adjustable peep sight mounted on the tang, and are winning matches with it too.
Thanks, that's a nice looking rifle.
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Old April 3, 2014, 08:13 PM   #23
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I bought a beautiful .45 Kentucky rifle from Joe Schell on American Longrifle forum. I got a good deal on it, he had built it for himself and used it for hunting. He bought a wrought iron barrel from Bobby Hoyt and a Chambers Late Ketland lock. It's tuned and fires as fast as a caplock. He said he made it as close to original as possible. He cut and shaped the stock by hand and the 44 inch swamped barrel fits great. The trigger he made from sheet metal and its pinned in. He bought the trigger guard and butt plate and made the rest. It has a tapered ramrod and sliding wood patch box. It has about a 1/4 inch cast off and on the days I am shooting well it cant be beat If your shooting off hand the swamped barrel is great
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Old April 3, 2014, 10:12 PM   #24
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Check with Clay Smith's website.
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If you are looking for a factory rifle, the 1803 Harpers Ferry is not a bad choice. The locks on the older ones needed fiddling to make them reliable. Not sure about current ones. Mine is a very old import in 58 caliber. It shot well enough to win when I was competing. Now, maybe not so much, but that might be me.
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