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Old October 20, 2014, 11:23 PM   #1
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can anybody identify this without a pic?

Ok so I recently visited the Old Shasta museum in Northern CA near Redding
and was pleasantly surprised by their collection of old firearms

Lots of interesting stuff for anyone that can visit and I am so sorry I could not get any pics maybee someone else here could.

Anyway to the unidentified revolver in question I could not get the best look
at it but it seemed to be of greater than .44 cal there was another of smaller
cal but same make in the display as well it seemed to be very flimsy in the frame design even worse than a colt nothing under the cyl at all from memory but what realy made it stand out as something different was the nipples fitted to the side of the cyl and recessed.

Once again sorry i could not get pics but if anyone has any clues as to what it is I would love to hear about it.Its driving me just a little bit crazy not knowing
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Old October 21, 2014, 12:26 AM   #2
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Savage
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Old October 21, 2014, 09:00 AM   #3
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Savage most likely, but there were a dozen or more makers that came out with some pretty odd looking cap and ball revolvers and even a few English makes showed up on our shores. Everybody was trying to skirt the patents held by Colt.
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Old October 21, 2014, 09:44 AM   #4
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Thanks yep it sure looks like it was a Savage maybee an earlier version
than the pics i could find or modified/broken I was pretty sure it did not have a under strap and it did not have a loading lever
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Old October 21, 2014, 12:48 PM   #5
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unknown revolver

yes definitely not much to go on.

Was it by chance similar to this one?

http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/un.../#.VEZ_ef4ju1E

or perhaps this one from savage

http://armscollectors.com/mgs/savage_north.htm

http://www.cottoneauctions.com/lots/...ssion-revolver
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Old October 21, 2014, 02:59 PM   #6
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If the statement that there is "nothing under the cylinder" is correct, the Savage is ruled out as there is definitely a part of the frame under the cylinder.

A more likely possibility would be one of the Massachusetts Arms Co, revolvers, like the Wesson & Leavitt, which has both the side-mounted nipples and "nothing under the cylinder." Another possibility would be the Springfield Arms Co. revolvers, which would also fit the description.

There are other, similar designs, mostly based on the pepperbox, but the Mass. Arms guns were made in some quantity, and the Springfields are rare but not unknown, where most of the others are one-offs or of such limited production that the chances of one showing up anywhere are remote.

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Old October 21, 2014, 03:41 PM   #7
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totally forgot about these.
But there are so many one offs and such from that time period.
You got to have a photographic memory or such.

Wesson and Leavitt
http://www.collegehillarsenal.com/sh...?productid=680

Spring field but it does have a loading lever

http://www.american-firearms.com/ame...any/31left.jpg

Belgium made:
http://www.gunsinternational.com/184...80CF74DC724271
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Old October 21, 2014, 04:10 PM   #8
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totally forgot about these.
But there are so many one offs and such from that time period.
You got to have a photographic memory or such.

Wesson and Leavitt
http://www.collegehillarsenal.com/sh...?productid=680

Spring field but it does have a loading lever

http://www.american-firearms.com/ame...any/31left.jpg

Belgium made:
http://www.gunsinternational.com/184...80CF74DC724271
yes very much like the savage the way the nipples are on the side and recessed.

I did a search looking for pics and found several Savage 1860 navy references but there was one on gunbroker that mentioned it was based on a earlier savage design.

The thing i was looking at was ugly clunky looking design it almost looked like someone
took a single shot muzzle loading pistol and mcguiver rigged a revolving cyl to it.

they had a sheet with imformation at the display but had almost nothing of any interest on any of the collection.
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Old October 21, 2014, 04:12 PM   #9
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Both the Mass. Arms and Springfield Arms guns were made with and without loading levers. Generally, guns made for, or in hope of, military contracts were made with loading levers, where smaller calibers and guns intended for civilian sale might not have them. The idea was that a civilian would load the gun at home, using the (usually) provided ramrod and not need to do a fast (relatively speaking) reload, where a soldier would probably have to reload in the field.

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Old October 21, 2014, 04:13 PM   #10
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that wessen and leavitt is very very close especially that top strap arangement but no decoration on the one i saw
and a different angle on the nipples also the bigger one in the display was no belt pistol.

interesting history on wessen and leavitt seems like they became prey to colt patent litigation

this is the link provided

http://www.collegehillarsenal.com/sh...?productid=680

thanks guys

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Old October 21, 2014, 10:27 PM   #11
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According to Flayderman, the fourth type Springfield Arms "dragoon" revolvers had round butts like the Model 1836 and 1842 pistols, and did have loading levers. There were only about 110 made in the whole series, and the number per type is not broken down, but in any case would have been pretty small.

Incidentally, there was apparently no connection between that Springfield Arms Co. and later companies using the town's name.

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Old October 21, 2014, 11:30 PM   #12
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English Transitional revolver?
https://www.google.com/images?rlz=1T...g&ved=0CBQQsAQ
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