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Old July 13, 2016, 09:57 AM   #1
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Silencer Shop's latest batch!

I tried to grab a source but I remember seeing it on Facebook last night.

Silencer Shop put on their FB page that they were sending in their latest batch of form 4's that were just for July 11th & 12th. They were sending in 10,000 forms (over 2 million in bribes, er tax stamps)! That is a crazy number from ONE seller (granted the largest).

Yes it means wait times are sure to be through the roof, BUT with so many new people buying suppressors I definitely see them becoming more mainstream over the next few years. Who knows, maybe by 2020 they'll be off the NFA list. (I'm not holding my breath for the current Hearing Protection Act).

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Old July 13, 2016, 10:04 AM   #2
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Wow.

I am glad I am ahead of that pile of paper in line.

Do you realize that is almost 10% of the total number of stamps filed by everyone in the US in 2005??

Amazing.



(Thanks for that post Ryanxia, don't do facebook so I might not have seen that.)



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Old July 13, 2016, 11:24 AM   #3
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Yeah, I bet we're going to clear over 2 million forms this year.

And I hear ya about the facebook, I don't get on too much but I saw that and was like, 'wow!'.

I bet all of June/July was just packed with forms being sent in. I have a suppressor and SBR that I didn't send in until first week of July that will probably be a freakin year before they come back lol.
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Old July 13, 2016, 04:41 PM   #4
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Yeah, I bet we're going to clear over 2 million forms this year.
Yeah, probably approaching a half billion dollars in taxes, with that you would think they could come up with a more efficient system.

Will this be the year they run out of original production stamps??


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I have a suppressor and SBR that I didn't send in until first week of July that will probably be a freakin year before they come back lol.
I am in the same boat, did almost the same thing.

Don't know how much time will be saved by getting in a few items a week ago, but I know I am ahead of that one truck load, LOL.



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Old July 13, 2016, 04:54 PM   #5
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Will this be the year they run out of original production stamps??
What do you mean by "original production stamps"?
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Old July 13, 2016, 05:01 PM   #6
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I was told by a longtime Class 3 dealer that they were still using stamps produced in the 1930's. May just be a rumor, but the last stamps I got were similar to the ones I got in the 90's
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Old July 13, 2016, 05:09 PM   #7
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I would think the stamps from the 90's would say "Internal Revenue" rather than "Department of Justice".

I do have a recent $5 stamp that says "internal revenue", but all my recent $200 stamps are justice.

They've been printing them as they need them.
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Old July 13, 2016, 11:40 PM   #8
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No wonder all their suppressors are out of stock! Unfortunately, I'll have two in the same pile, unless they get there ahead of them. My Hybrid will fall under the new rules but I have three coming in probably a month.
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Old July 14, 2016, 08:05 AM   #9
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I'm fortunate I at least have one suppressor that I filed for back in March so I at least have something to look forward to this late summer/fall while I wait for others.

I had gotten some things in because I was adamant about not giving that rogue agency my fingerprints / photographs but dang I don't want to stop. So many more things to chop the barrel on or make quiet pew pews with.
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Old July 14, 2016, 10:06 AM   #10
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I just hope they (ATF) have made arrangements prior for the safe storage of all these documents until they can properly process and catalog them. Think about the deliveries they must be getting from all over the US. Really would hate to see the system overwhelmed to the point of mismanagement of these.

How long are money orders good for these days? Could a lot of people find out that their cashiers checks, MOs, etc. have expired by the time the minions open the packets? (Been years since I purchased a MO or cashiers check.)



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Old July 14, 2016, 11:30 AM   #11
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Old July 14, 2016, 11:53 AM   #12
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Old July 14, 2016, 01:43 PM   #13
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How long are money orders good for these days? Could a lot of people find out that their cashiers checks, MOs, etc. have expired by the time the minions open the packets? (Been years since I purchased a MO or cashiers check.)

I think generally 6 months but that's a guess. The ATF never seems to have a problem getting right to taking your money so shouldn't be a huge issue. Even if it took an extra month.

When the LWRC smg 45 comes available I'll definitely want that in a short barrel platform and I could still use a PS90 SBR so I think my days of paying $200 bribes to our government are not over yet.
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Old July 21, 2016, 09:18 PM   #14
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Buying a silencer

Is something wrong? I bought a silencer in February and submitted the paperwork through The Silencer Shop. I'm don't get it, I guess. Does everyone have this much trouble getting what they bought? Am I being scammed? It looks like the ATF is working on applications sent in last Oct. Why do people go through all this crap to buy a legal suppressor? The noise level between the legal ones and a homemade one is not all that much. I don't think I get it.

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Old July 21, 2016, 11:18 PM   #15
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echoeranch Is something wrong?
Nope.
I bought a silencer in February and submitted the paperwork through The Silencer Shop. I'm don't get it, I guess. Does everyone have this much trouble getting what they bought?
First time buying a silencer huh?

Am I being scammed?
Seriously? Wait times on Form 4 approvals are well known. If you had spent ten minutes reading the information on Silencer Shops website or heck, ten minutes on this forum you would have been well aware of the wait.

It looks like the ATF is working on applications sent in last Oct. Why do people go through all this crap to buy a legal suppressor?
Because it's the only way.

The noise level between the legal ones and a homemade one is not all that much. I don't think I get it.
Do you get the part where you can go to jail if yours isn't one of the legal ones?
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Old July 21, 2016, 11:20 PM   #16
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People are getting their stamps for Feb applications now and the trend is going in the wrong direction already even for pre-41F applications.

http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx

Based on the last 6 months of data 75% of people whose checks were cashed the same day mine was have received their stamps. I guess I'm in the unlucky
25%. It is my 13th NFA item
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Old July 22, 2016, 06:00 AM   #17
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People are getting their stamps for Feb applications now and the trend is going in the wrong direction already even for pre-41F applications.

http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx

Based on the last 6 months of data 75% of people whose checks were cashed the same day mine was have received their stamps. I guess I'm in the unlucky
25%. It is my 13th NFA item
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I've got you beat... based on the last six months of data and my eForm submit date for a SBS, 88.57% of people have received their stamps already.

I'm in the unlucky 11%.
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Old July 22, 2016, 07:59 AM   #18
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How long are money orders good for these days? Could a lot of people find out that their cashiers checks, MOs, etc. have expired by the time the minions open the packets? (Been years since I purchased a MO or cashiers check.)



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Old July 22, 2016, 09:33 AM   #19
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Silencer delay

I figured I'd get flamed when I posted the note complaining about delays with silencer paperwork. I had a background check when I got my Texas Concealed Handgun License so Texas has done most of the work already.

It's just that there doesn't seem to be much hue and cry over delays buying something that is lawful to own and not inherently dangerous or rarely ever used in a crime. There has to be millions of other people being poorly served by BATFE.

I guess I'll just have to wait like everybody else. And I'm not concerned about being arrested if I do something that's ill advised: I'm so far off the grid down here the Border Patrol doesn't even come by.
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I figured I'd get flamed when I posted the note complaining about delays with silencer paperwork. I had a background check when I got my Texas Concealed Handgun License so Texas has done most of the work already.

It's just that there doesn't seem to be much hue and cry over delays buying something that is lawful to own and not inherently dangerous or rarely ever used in a crime. There has to be millions of other people being poorly served by BATFE.

I guess I'll just have to wait like everybody else. And I'm not concerned about being arrested if I do something that's ill advised: I'm so far off the grid down here the Border Patrol doesn't even come by.
You do know you are preaching to the choir don't you??


By the way, I am intrigued about your way of cooking ribs, may try that method one day.






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It's just that there doesn't seem to be much hue and cry over delays buying something that is lawful to own and not inherently dangerous or rarely ever used in a crime.
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echoeranch I figured I'd get flamed when I posted the note complaining about delays with silencer paperwork.
I didn't flame you about your complaining about ATF delays, but because you insinuated that you were being scammed by Silencer Shop. They don't deserve that.



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I had a background check when I got my Texas Concealed Handgun License so Texas has done most of the work already.
Having a Texas CHL has absolutely no bearing on an NFA background check. (and who do you think Texas goes to when they run the background check on your CHL? Texas sure as heck doesn't do it themselves




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It's just that there doesn't seem to be much hue and cry over delays buying something that is lawful to own and not inherently dangerous or rarely ever used in a crime. There has to be millions of other people being poorly served by BATFE.
You have to be kidding.
Nearly every gun forum with an NFA subforum has countless threads over the last dozen years discussing the wait time for ATF form processing. If you haven't noticed a "hue and cry" then you haven't been paying attention.

ATF cannot (by law) just hire extra staff whenever the number of NFA applications increases. It takes months to get budgetary approval to hire temporary or contract workers........and then when Congress pulls the sequestration nonsense they lose those positions.
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Old July 23, 2016, 09:23 AM   #24
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The noise level between the legal ones and a homemade one is not all that much. I don't think I get it.
Well, you still have to wait to get the form 1 approved but the commercial cans I have are not a lot louder than the ones I have made.
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