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Old August 28, 2013, 10:51 AM   #51
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Apologies for the thread necromancy, but recent shortages have caused me to consider the distribution channels for our ammo and components.

Here are a few more:
Reloader 15 - Sweden
Varget - Australia
TAC - Belgium
IMR4895 - Canada
H4895 - Australia

So much for the notion of "buying local" to ensure availability, and to support local manufacturers.
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Old August 28, 2013, 11:21 AM   #52
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Old August 28, 2013, 07:59 PM   #53
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Where is alliant power pistol made??
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Old August 28, 2013, 08:28 PM   #54
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St Marks Florida has the St. Marks powder plant, a subsidiary of General Dynamics who makes a lot of powders and propellants for folks, Alliant included,

Other powders not mentioned
Universal Clays
International Clays
20/28
Red Dot
Green Dot
Blue Dot
Clay Dot

The Clays line is Australian (and unavailable until 2014)
The Dots are US
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Old August 29, 2013, 12:40 AM   #55
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Where is alliant power pistol made??
My bottle says, "MADE WITH PRIDE IN THE USA"
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Old August 29, 2013, 01:00 AM   #56
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bds, "Zero" bullets are made in the USA too and popular among competitors.

Zero 125gr JHP and n320 is like magic for me.
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Old August 29, 2013, 06:00 AM   #57
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N320: 231/HP38 is the closest.
Powder is made in Florida, Canada, Australia, Finland, and every where else.
Powders even change location all too frequently and I'm stuck retesting the new sourced powder or find a replacement.
Then, there is the ever popular discontinuance of the one powder I found that worked great--this has happened to me at least four times in 40 years. I still mourn the loss of 452AA.

>My bottle says, "MADE WITH PRIDE IN THE USA"

Well, at least you know where the bottle was made...
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Old August 29, 2013, 08:03 AM   #58
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Buying American

IMR4063, IMR4320 and IMR4350 is made in Canada and packaged in USA.
Bullseye and Blue Dot are both made and packaged in USA.

I do believe in buying American and do so within reason every opportunity I get. I don't want to buy junk from China or anywhere else and I won't buy junk just so I can buy American.
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Old August 29, 2013, 08:47 AM   #59
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VihtaVuori N320 - Made in Finland (I am stuck ... I don't think there is a substitute for this powder)
You might need to find one. Not long ago, last month or two, I read that the French conglomerate that owns VV has been trying to sell it with no takers. If they can't find a buyer, they intend on just shutting the factory down.
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Old August 29, 2013, 10:06 AM   #60
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All the IMR powders have been made in Canada since 1978 when an accident destroyed the DuPont plant in New Jersey. The Canadian plant, near Montreal, has been owned by General Dynamics since 2006. General dynamics also owns the St. Marks Powder plant in Florida that makes the "Ball" powders or Winchester and Olin fame.

Incidentally, Hodgdon owns the IMR name and the former DuPont powder product lines and patents.

Setting aside materials sourcing, it is nearly impossible to tell any more the nationality of any company. Like it or not, the lines have gotten pretty blurry in this regard.

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Old August 29, 2013, 10:14 AM   #61
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By the way, I think we are particularly lucky to have so many choices in the products we use.
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Old August 29, 2013, 10:45 AM   #62
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bds, "Zero" bullets are made in the USA too and popular among competitors.
Yes. Atlanta Arms & Ammo uses Zero bullets for some of their match ammunition used by Glock Shooting Team and US AMU Action Pistol Team - http://www.atlantaarmsandammo.com/MA...atch_ammo.html


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N320: 231/HP38 is the closest.
Actually for me, I would consider Titegroup to be "practically" more closer to N320. W231/HP-38 doesn't burn as clean as N320 and doesn't come close to achieving the higher velocities N320/Titegroup can achieve. Still, I like W231/HP-38's flexibility in producing accurate lower pressure loads and W231/HP-38 and Titegroup are made in USA.


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Well, at least you know where the bottle was made...
... the lines have gotten pretty blurry in this regard.
For me, seeing "Made in USA" on the bottle/packaging makes me feel better than seeing "Made in China". With globalization, I do realize I may not always have the "Made in USA" option and would prefer " Made in Australia, Canada, etc." and even "Packaged in USA" over "Made in China".

I am happy to report that most of the reloading components/equipment I bought this year have been made in the USA (only Fiocchi primers were made in Italy):

- New in box Ohaus 10-10 scale (New old stock)
- Hornady rifle bullets
- Berry's plated bullets
- Berry's new "expanding" HP bullets
- Montana Gold bullets
- X-Treme plated bullets
- Starline brass
- FC/LC .223/.308 once fired brass
- Alliant Red Dot
- Alliant Herco
- Hodgdon HP-38
- CCI primers
- Winchester primers
- Lee carbide die sets
- Lee presses (SSs/LCTs/Pro 1000s to help setup new reloaders)

Other shooting items made/assembled in USA:
- Chip McCormick Power Mags
- Wilson Combat recoil springs
- Wolff recoil springs
- Weaver scope base
- Blackhawk holster
- Breakfree CLP
- Hoppes #9
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Old August 29, 2013, 10:49 PM   #63
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What, none of you have a mobile phone? Tell me where that was made. Before you type a response, check where your computer was manufactured. How about your drill? Skilsaw?

Good luck with the Buy American notion. I try. I try very hard but it's getting darned near impossible.
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Old September 2, 2013, 01:10 AM   #64
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Bought first foreign primers in 50 years

I started reloading in the 60's and have always used CCI, Remington, or Winchester primers. I just bought Tula primers (Russian). Not because they were cheaper, which is incidental, but because they were AVAILABLE.

Powder Valley has HS-6 powder intermittently, and when it was in stock a few weeks ago (now out of stock again) I bought some. Also needing small pistol primers, I checked and found only Tula available. Since combining primers and powder in one hazmat shipment is necessary, I bought foreign primers. Incidentally, American made standard pistol primers have not been shown since last year, at least not when I went online to check nearly every day. When American primers are available again, I will buy them.
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Old January 30, 2016, 05:36 PM   #65
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OK, here's a recap of what I have gathered so far just for powders (feel free to check your bottle and let us know where the powders are made):

Accurate No 2 - USA
Accurate No 5 - USA
Accurate No 7 - Belgium
Accurate No 9 - Belgium
Accurate 1680 - Israel

Alliant Bullseye - USA
Alliant "Dot" powders - USA
Alliant Promo - USA
Alliant Unique - USA
Alliant Power Pistol - USA
Alliant Herco - USA
Alliant Reloder 7 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 15 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 17 - Switzerland
Alliant Reloder 22 - Sweden

Goex powders - USA

Hodgdon HP-38 - USA
Hodgdon Titegroup - USA
Hodgdon "Clays" powders - Australia soon Canada
Hodgdon CFE Pistol - USA
Hodgdon H335 - USA
Hodgdon H4198 - Australia
Hodgdon H4895 - Australia
Hodgdon Varget - Australia

IMR powders - Canada
IMR Trail Boss - Australia

Norma powders - Switzerland & 4 other countries

Ramshot TAC - Belgium

Shooters World/Lovex powders - Czech Republic

Vectan powders - Sweden

VihtaVuori powders - Finland

Winchester 231 - USA
Winchester Super Target - USA
Winchester Super Field - USA
Winchester AutoComp - USA

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Old January 30, 2016, 05:52 PM   #66
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Ramshot Zip - Belgium
Hodgdon Longshot - USA
Winchester 748 - USA
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Old January 30, 2016, 06:19 PM   #67
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I think when this thread was started, it was simply giving some valuable information on where products are made. The premise was that if you have a choice of an American-made product or a foreign one, and if the price and quality is similar, buy American. It was giving us the information to do so. That's good.

The fact that we buy raw materials from other countries is not a good argument to say it's not possible to buy American-made products! Of course it is. The manufacturer is adding much value to the raw material and producing an entirely different product. We use foreign lead for bullets too, since the last lead smelting plant in the U.S. shut down.
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Old January 30, 2016, 06:29 PM   #68
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Yes, when this thread was started, we could "choose" to buy one powder vs another powder.

Unfortunately, many reloaders now must buy whatever powders that are available. During the current component shortages, while it took some effort and time, I was able to restock my powders with mostly USA made powders with the "Where are there components" thread - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...07473&page=140

Hopefully things improve so we could once again have choices of powders.

horseman1, thanks. Updated the list with primers:

Accurate No 2 - USA
Accurate No 5 - USA
Accurate No 7 - Belgium
Accurate No 9 - Belgium
Accurate 1680 - Israel

Alliant Bullseye - USA
Alliant "Dot" powders - USA
Alliant Promo - USA
Alliant Unique - USA
Alliant Power Pistol - USA
Alliant Herco - USA
Alliant Reloder 7 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 15 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 17 - Switzerland
Alliant Reloder 22 - Sweden

Goex powders - USA

Hodgdon HP-38 - USA
Hodgdon Titegroup - USA
Hodgdon "Clays" powders - Australia soon Canada
Hodgdon CFE Pistol - USA
Hdgddon Longshot - USA
Hodgdon H335 - USA
Hodgdon H4198 - Australia
Hodgdon H4895 - Australia
Hodgdon Varget - Australia

IMR powders - Canada
IMR Trail Boss - Australia

Norma powders - Switzerland & 4 other countries

Ramshot TAC - Belgium
Ramshot ZIP - Belgium

Shooters World/Lovex powders - Czech Republic

Vectan powders - Sweden

VihtaVuori powders - Finland

Winchester 231 - USA
Winchester Super Target - USA
Winchester Super Field - USA
Winchester AutoComp - USA
Winchester 748 - USA

CCI primers - USA
Federal primers - USA
Fiocchi primers - Italy
Magtech primers - Brazil
PMC primers - Russia/Korea
Remington primers - USA
S&B primers - Czech Republic
Tula primers - Russia
Winchester primers - USA
Wolf primers - Russia

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Old January 30, 2016, 06:37 PM   #69
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Clays now from Canada (IMR/Gendye)

700X & 800X now from USA (Alliant)
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Old January 30, 2016, 06:58 PM   #70
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Old January 30, 2016, 07:45 PM   #71
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Jim Watson/USSR, Thanks!

Accurate No 2 - USA
Accurate No 5 - USA
Accurate No 7 - Belgium
Accurate No 9 - Belgium
Accurate 1680 - Israel

Alliant Bullseye - USA
Alliant "Dot" powders - USA
Alliant Promo - USA
Alliant Unique - USA
Alliant Power Pistol - USA
Alliant Herco - USA
Alliant Reloder 7 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 15 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 17 - Switzerland
Alliant Reloder 22 - Sweden

Goex powders - USA

Hodgdon HP-38 - USA
Hodgdon Titegroup - USA
Hodgdon "Clays" powders - Australia/Canada
Hodgdon CFE Pistol - USA
Hdgddon Longshot - USA
Hodgdon H110 - USA
Hodgdon H335 - USA
Hodgdon H4198 - Australia
Hodgdon H4227 - Australia
Hodgdon H4895 - Australia
Hodgdon Varget - Australia

IMR powders - Canada
IMR 700X - USA
IMR 800X - USA
IMR Trail Boss - Australia

Norma powders - Switzerland & 4 other countries

Ramshot TAC - Belgium
Ramshot ZIP - Belgium

Shooters World/Lovex powders - Czech Republic

Vectan powders - Sweden

VihtaVuori powders - Finland

Winchester 231 - USA
Winchester Super Target - USA
Winchester Super Field - USA
Winchester AutoComp - USA
Winchester 296 - USA
Winchester 748 - USA

CCI primers - USA
Federal primers - USA
Fiocchi primers - Italy
Magtech primers - Brazil
PMC primers - Russia/Korea
Remington primers - USA
S&B primers - Czech Republic
Tula primers - Russia
Winchester primers - USA
Wolf primers - Russia

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Old January 30, 2016, 08:25 PM   #72
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Added BE-86, W296/H110:

Accurate No 2 - USA
Accurate No 5 - USA
Accurate No 7 - Belgium
Accurate No 9 - Belgium
Accurate 1680 - Israel

Alliant Bullseye - USA
Alliant "Dot" powders - USA
Alliant Promo - USA
Alliant Unique - USA
Alliant BE-86 - USA
Alliant Power Pistol - USA
Alliant Herco - USA
Alliant Reloder 7 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 15 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 17 - Switzerland
Alliant Reloder 22 - Sweden

Goex powders - USA

Hodgdon HP-38 - USA
Hodgdon Titegroup - USA
Hodgdon "Clays" powders - Australia/Canada
Hodgdon CFE Pistol - USA
Hdgddon Longshot - USA
Hodgdon H110 - USA
Hodgdon H335 - USA
Hodgdon H4198 - Australia
Hodgdon H4227 - Australia
Hodgdon H4895 - Australia
Hodgdon Varget - Australia

IMR powders - Canada
IMR 700X - USA
IMR 800X - USA
IMR Trail Boss - Australia

Norma powders - Switzerland & 4 other countries

Ramshot TAC - Belgium
Ramshot ZIP - Belgium

Shooters World/Lovex powders - Czech Republic

Vectan powders - Sweden

VihtaVuori powders - Finland

Winchester 231 - USA
Winchester Super Target - USA
Winchester Super Field - USA
Winchester AutoComp - USA
Winchester 296 - USA
Winchester 748 - USA

CCI primers - USA
Federal primers - USA
Fiocchi primers - Italy
Magtech primers - Brazil
PMC primers - Russia/Korea
Remington primers - USA
S&B primers - Czech Republic
Tula primers - Russia
Winchester primers - USA
Wolf primers - Russia

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Old January 30, 2016, 08:30 PM   #73
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Thank you BDS for keeping this thread updated over the long haul.
I also will attempt to buy/use products that are as much USA made as possible. If the price on a particular product is double or more then I may not be able to do so. A reasonable (there is THAT word again) price increase to keep US jobs is good for us all. The major problem I have with Chinese products is the great disparity in quality with most items. Add to that their human rights stance and they come in last place with me. To me the more hands the money passes through before it leaves my town, state, nation, the better off we all are. So if paying a bit more for an appropriately priced item locally facilitates this the better it is IMHO.
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Old January 30, 2016, 09:50 PM   #74
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FROGO207, that was my intent for the thread, for reloaders to be informed so they can make purchases decisions if they desired to support USA based manufacturing companies and I am happy to report that I am seeing more and more "Made in USA" at various retailers.

Since post #62, I have been able to obtain mostly USA made reloading equipment and supplies with the exception of Gemini-20 digital scale/FA dial calipers which were made in China and A1680 made in Israel:

- Dillon 650 with case feeder (I assume mostly made in USA)
- C-H 502 micrometer powder measure (new)
- C-H 3 station "H" type press (used)
- C-H 4 station "H" type press (used)
- Herters Super Model 234 turret press (used)
- Lee safety scale (signed by rcmodel, thanks again!)
- Wilson Combat 47D magazines
- Hornady rifle bullets
- Sierra rifle bullets
- Berry's plated bullets
- Montana Gold jacketed bullets
- RMR HM plated bullets
- X-Treme plated bullets
- Starline brass
- Alliant Bullseye
- Alliant BE-86
- Hodgdon CFE Pistol
- Winchester 296
- Hodgdon H335
- Hodgdon H4198

kcofohio, thanks. Adding Silhouette/HS-6 to the list:

Accurate No 2 - USA
Accurate No 5 - USA
Accurate No 7 - Belgium
Accurate No 9 - Belgium
Accurate 1680 - Israel

Alliant Bullseye - USA
Alliant "Dot" powders - USA
Alliant Promo - USA
Alliant Unique - USA
Alliant BE-86 - USA
Alliant Power Pistol - USA
Alliant Herco - USA
Alliant Reloder 7 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 15 - Sweden
Alliant Reloder 17 - Switzerland
Alliant Reloder 22 - Sweden

Goex powders - USA

Hodgdon HP-38 - USA
Hodgdon Titegroup - USA
Hodgdon "Clays" powders - Australia/Canada
Hodgdon CFE Pistol - USA
Hodgdon HS-6 - USA
Hdgddon Longshot - USA
Hodgdon H110 - USA
Hodgdon H335 - USA
Hodgdon H4198 - Australia
Hodgdon H4227 - Australia
Hodgdon H4895 - Australia
Hodgdon Varget - Australia

IMR powders - Canada
IMR 700X - USA
IMR 800X - USA
IMR Trail Boss - Australia

Norma powders - Switzerland & 4 other countries

Ramshot Silhouette - USA
Ramshot TAC - Belgium
Ramshot ZIP - Belgium

Shooters World/Lovex powders - Czech Republic

Vectan powders - Sweden

VihtaVuori powders - Finland

Winchester 231 - USA
Winchester Super Target - USA
Winchester Super Field - USA
Winchester AutoComp - USA
Winchester 296 - USA
Winchester 748 - USA

CCI primers - USA
Federal primers - USA
Fiocchi primers - Italy
Magtech primers - Brazil
PMC primers - Russia/Korea
Remington primers - USA
S&B primers - Czech Republic
Tula primers - Russia
Winchester primers - USA
Wolf primers - Russia

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Old January 30, 2016, 10:54 PM   #75
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Hodgdon CFE223 is USA
Hodgdon Benchmark is Australia.
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