Best all steel 9mm for competitive shooting?

mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 03:49 PM

Hi im new here. I have been a lurker here for years and have found great info and inteligent people here so i joined and wanted to ask some opinions on what you guys think is the Best all steel 9mm for competitive shooting? Im new to competition I like all steel pistols with good triggere, accuracy, reliability, and capasity. Also not a big fan of pistols with decocker because if they have them some events make you shoot DA for the firts shot. I have a few in mind but am going to wait to mention them untill I hear what you guys have to say. So I don't lead the conversation in one direction before I get your opinions. Thanks

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rcmodel · May 11, 2013, 04:07 PM

You might have had better luck in the Competitive Shooting forum.

Now, if you have a 100 year old target pistol you need to identify, this is the right forum.

I have ask a mod to move your post.

rc

beatledog7 · May 11, 2013, 04:19 PM

CZ-75. There are those who don't like their factory triggers, but these pistols are highly customizable and very accurate.

**Sam1911** · May 11, 2013, 04:23 PM

All steel, single-action 9mm? 1911, Hi-Power, the rare Beretta Steel 1, a few variants of the CZ75.

What kind of sport are you planning to shoot with this? Those attributes put you in special classes in some disciplines.

**Sam1911** · May 11, 2013, 04:25 PM

Yeah, I thought of saying CZ-75 in general, but most of those do operate both DA & SA. There are a few single-action only models, though.

(In IDPA, you can start a CZ-75 either SA or DA, but starting it SA puts you in the "Enhanced" division.)

mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 04:30 PM

Sorry if this is in the worng section I thought hey firearms research and thats what I was doing lol. I am not sure as to what types of competition maybe 3 gun. Or steel. I guess ill have to see whats available near me. Thanks for the responses so far. I have been considering the cz sp01 shadow.

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**Hoser** · May 11, 2013, 04:39 PM

Get a 1911 in 9x19 and a fistfull of Tripp mags.

1SOW · May 11, 2013, 04:59 PM

I made the same choice years ago.
The CZ 75 Shadow is designed to qualify for any IDPA and USPSA requirements for any class and can have an outstanding trigger in both DA and SA. (This is not the CZ SPO1 Shadow)
If I could let you try my new 75 Shadow (NO TAC RAIL), you wouldn't have a question. I have a 3# SA because in run-and-gun I had trouble controlling a 2# trigger. My DA hasn't being weighed yet, but it's likely less than 6# and can be made lighter with a $7 spring. No decocker to add trigger hardware. No Firing pin interrupt to add more trigger hardware.
Dual safeties. Competition rear, height adjustable sight, Fiber Optic front sight. 19 round mags easily modified to 23rds for other type competitions. Can use inexpensive 16rd Mec-Gar or CZ mags.

The CZ 75 SPO1 Shadow is approved for Production class USPSA/IPSC but doesn't make SSP weight easily for IDPDA. It too is a very good pistol with a good trigger.

ymmv depending on "WHAT" you intend to compete in.

jmorris · May 11, 2013, 05:41 PM

Sviguns.com

Will take a year+ and over $3k but they are the best.

tarakian · May 11, 2013, 05:55 PM

I use a Para P18 and recommend it highly.

PGT · May 11, 2013, 06:25 PM

Midwest Hunter has some IFG imported Tanfoglio Witness Gold Custom Eric models for $2100. These are full on comp guns based on a CZ 97 evolution.

mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 07:22 PM

I like para's warr vs cz cz only 5 yr vs para lifetime. A lthough both are known as reliable

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mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 07:23 PM

Any opinions on para p18 vs cz sp01 shadow?

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rcmodel · May 11, 2013, 07:47 PM

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maybe 3 gun. Or steel.

You need to decide first, before anyone can recommend a gun that would be satisfactory for either game.

One gun & caliber will not be optimal for both combined, or either separately.

rc

mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 07:59 PM

I already have a kimber custom2 in .45acp. I am looking for somthing in 9mm

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mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 09:32 PM

Would like somthing capable of compeeting at a mid to high level. Even though I know the gun is not as important as the shooter.

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PGT · May 11, 2013, 09:36 PM

here's the one I referenced....$2100 (minus the optic of course)

mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 09:41 PM

Looks sweet ill have to look into it I have never herd of it

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mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 09:43 PM

Was hoping to stay $1600 or less

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PGT · May 11, 2013, 09:59 PM

Tanfoglio's are popular race guns in Europe. You can't get a Witness Gold for about $1000 and add the parts you need. Henning is the expert on these. http://www.henningshootsguns.com/shop/main.html

mrgoodwrench · May 11, 2013, 10:32 PM

1sow how long have u had that cz what's it been like for you reliability wise ect...

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kwg020 · May 11, 2013, 11:16 PM

CZ 75 looks a whole lot like an Armalite AR-24. The Tactical Custom is $631. Pick your poison.

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.asp...2-a72c1eba187e

kwg

tomrkba · May 11, 2013, 11:16 PM

Read Todd Green's endurance test of a 1911 in 9x19mm. Wilson ETM mags have been the most reliable.

http://pistol-training.com/archives/...field-1911-9mm

1SOW · May 12, 2013, 01:22 AM

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1sow how long have u had that cz what's it been like for you reliability wise ect...

I started with the cz 75B and put over 60K rds throught it in comp.--mostly my reloads.
Broke two slide stops over the years. I also added most all the upgrades available. Great gun.

I recently upgraded to the CZ Custom Shop's 9mm 75 Shadow. I only have about 800 rds throught it without any issues. . The action was worked and polished and the SA trigger set at my 3# request. It was ready to run when I got it. The optional Hajo rear Adj. Comp. Sight is exactly like the Competition fixed sight but height adjustable to adjust for load changes. The target sent with it had a 1" group at 25yds , all in the bull.

They had already cleaned and oiled it. It was ready to run OOB. I've run five different bullet reloads through it and all ran smoothly and shot to point of aim out to 25yds. 124 plated RN, 124 plated FP, 124 JHP, 125 JHP and 130 plated RN.

I lightened the DA pull another two pounds or so with another hammer spring and it shot 100% with a little over 100 rds since.

This is a production/SSP class gun. It also works very well for Steel Challenge .
If you want to move up to Limited or Open class like recommended above, there are many more options available, most based on a 1911-type frame or the CZ Czechmate for 9mm major. ($2995 ready to run with a C-Mor red dot

)

Other than that, all I can say is I really like the pistol. You can stay well under your price with all the options.

allaroundhunter · May 12, 2013, 01:38 AM

I would pick up an STI 2011.... It might not be "all" steel, but it is primarily steel and it shoots just as soft as any full steel gun I have ever shot (more accurately, too).

May 11, 2013, 03:49 PM	#1
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	Best all steel 9mm for competitive shooting? Hi im new here. I have been a lurker here for years and have found great info and inteligent people here so i joined and wanted to ask some opinions on what you guys think is the Best all steel 9mm for competitive shooting? Im new to competition I like all steel pistols with good triggere, accuracy, reliability, and capasity. Also not a big fan of pistols with decocker because if they have them some events make you shoot DA for the firts shot. I have a few in mind but am going to wait to mention them untill I hear what you guys have to say. So I don't lead the conversation in one direction before I get your opinions. Thanks sent from my mind using telepathy

May 11, 2013, 04:07 PM	#2
rcmodel Member Join Date: September 17, 2007 Location: Eastern KS Posts: 41,273	You might have had better luck in the Competitive Shooting forum. Now, if you have a 100 year old target pistol you need to identify, this is the right forum. I have ask a mod to move your post. rc __________________ Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Or all your primers in a glass jar!

May 11, 2013, 04:19 PM	#3
beatledog7 Member Join Date: June 18, 2011 Location: Tidewater Posts: 4,151	CZ-75. There are those who don't like their factory triggers, but these pistols are highly customizable and very accurate. __________________ "Please allow me to trade freedom for the appearance of security" is the surrender plea of the defeated.

May 11, 2013, 04:23 PM	#4
Sam1911 Moderator Join Date: October 22, 2007 Location: Central PA Posts: 20,932	All steel, single-action 9mm? 1911, Hi-Power, the rare Beretta Steel 1, a few variants of the CZ75. What kind of sport are you planning to shoot with this? Those attributes put you in special classes in some disciplines. __________________ -- Sam "...with liberty and justice for all." (Must be 18. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. Not available in all states.) -D. Stanhope Sights Practical Shooters -- IDPA My Knife Showroom

May 11, 2013, 04:25 PM	#5
Sam1911 Moderator Join Date: October 22, 2007 Location: Central PA Posts: 20,932	Yeah, I thought of saying CZ-75 in general, but most of those do operate both DA & SA. There are a few single-action only models, though. (In IDPA, you can start a CZ-75 either SA or DA, but starting it SA puts you in the "Enhanced" division.) __________________ -- Sam "...with liberty and justice for all." (Must be 18. Void where prohibited. Some restrictions may apply. Not available in all states.) -D. Stanhope Sights Practical Shooters -- IDPA My Knife Showroom

May 11, 2013, 04:30 PM	#6
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	Sorry if this is in the worng section I thought hey firearms research and thats what I was doing lol. I am not sure as to what types of competition maybe 3 gun. Or steel. I guess ill have to see whats available near me. Thanks for the responses so far. I have been considering the cz sp01 shadow. sent from my mind using telepathy

May 11, 2013, 04:39 PM	#7
Hoser Moderator Join Date: December 29, 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 859	Get a 1911 in 9x19 and a fistfull of Tripp mags.

May 11, 2013, 04:59 PM	#8
1SOW Member Join Date: October 28, 2007 Location: South Texas Posts: 3,415	I made the same choice years ago. The CZ 75 Shadow is designed to qualify for any IDPA and USPSA requirements for any class and can have an outstanding trigger in both DA and SA. (This is not the CZ SPO1 Shadow) If I could let you try my new 75 Shadow (NO TAC RAIL), you wouldn't have a question. I have a 3# SA because in run-and-gun I had trouble controlling a 2# trigger. My DA hasn't being weighed yet, but it's likely less than 6# and can be made lighter with a $7 spring. No decocker to add trigger hardware. No Firing pin interrupt to add more trigger hardware. Dual safeties. Competition rear, height adjustable sight, Fiber Optic front sight. 19 round mags easily modified to 23rds for other type competitions. Can use inexpensive 16rd Mec-Gar or CZ mags. The CZ 75 SPO1 Shadow is approved for Production class USPSA/IPSC but doesn't make SSP weight easily for IDPDA. It too is a very good pistol with a good trigger. ymmv depending on "WHAT" you intend to compete in.

May 11, 2013, 05:41 PM	#9
jmorris Member Join Date: September 30, 2005 Posts: 4,277	Sviguns.com Will take a year+ and over $3k but they are the best. __________________ "My right to swing my arm ends at the tip of your nose." Joe S.

May 11, 2013, 05:55 PM	#10
tarakian Member Join Date: January 10, 2012 Posts: 114	I use a Para P18 and recommend it highly.

May 11, 2013, 06:25 PM	#11
PGT Member Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 292	Midwest Hunter has some IFG imported Tanfoglio Witness Gold Custom Eric models for $2100. These are full on comp guns based on a CZ 97 evolution. __________________ 9mm: Sig Mk25TB \| Tanfoglio Witness Elite \| Bersa Thunder Pro Ultra Carry \| Beretta 92FS in Inox Swiss K31 Karabiner and a bunch of 22LR Assault Weapons

May 11, 2013, 07:22 PM	#12
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	I like para's warr vs cz cz only 5 yr vs para lifetime. A lthough both are known as reliable sent from my mind using telepathy

May 11, 2013, 07:23 PM	#13
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	Any opinions on para p18 vs cz sp01 shadow? sent from my mind using telepathy

May 11, 2013, 07:59 PM	#15
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	I already have a kimber custom2 in .45acp. I am looking for somthing in 9mm sent from my mind using telepathy

May 11, 2013, 09:32 PM	#16
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	Would like somthing capable of compeeting at a mid to high level. Even though I know the gun is not as important as the shooter. sent from my mind using telepathy Last edited by mrgoodwrench; May 14, 2013 at 09:47 PM.

May 11, 2013, 09:36 PM	#17
PGT Member Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 292	here's the one I referenced....$2100 (minus the optic of course) __________________ 9mm: Sig Mk25TB \| Tanfoglio Witness Elite \| Bersa Thunder Pro Ultra Carry \| Beretta 92FS in Inox Swiss K31 Karabiner and a bunch of 22LR Assault Weapons

May 11, 2013, 09:41 PM	#18
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	Looks sweet ill have to look into it I have never herd of it sent from my mind using telepathy

May 11, 2013, 09:43 PM	#19
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	Was hoping to stay $1600 or less sent from my mind using telepathy

May 11, 2013, 09:59 PM	#20
PGT Member Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: Leesburg, VA Posts: 292	Tanfoglio's are popular race guns in Europe. You can't get a Witness Gold for about $1000 and add the parts you need. Henning is the expert on these. http://www.henningshootsguns.com/shop/main.html __________________ 9mm: Sig Mk25TB \| Tanfoglio Witness Elite \| Bersa Thunder Pro Ultra Carry \| Beretta 92FS in Inox Swiss K31 Karabiner and a bunch of 22LR Assault Weapons

May 11, 2013, 10:32 PM	#21
mrgoodwrench Member Join Date: May 11, 2013 Posts: 23	1sow how long have u had that cz what's it been like for you reliability wise ect... sent from my mind using telepathy

May 11, 2013, 11:16 PM	#22
kwg020 Member Join Date: December 26, 2012 Location: Iowa Posts: 10	CZ 75 looks a whole lot like an Armalite AR-24. The Tactical Custom is $631. Pick your poison. http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.asp...2-a72c1eba187e kwg

May 11, 2013, 11:16 PM	#23
tomrkba Member Join Date: May 30, 2010 Posts: 694	Read Todd Green's endurance test of a 1911 in 9x19mm. Wilson ETM mags have been the most reliable. http://pistol-training.com/archives/...field-1911-9mm __________________ A people who live by The Golden Rule have no need for gun control laws, TSA checkpoints, a welfare system, or government run healthcare.